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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1161 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 24, 2023 9:55 pm

rzzzzz wrote:

(Just steal one more game, willya?)


Eh, would it be better?

Here are the playoff scenarios

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-76ers-news-sixers-when-does-second-round-series-start-playoff-schedule-celtics-hawks/

If the Celtics finish their series vs. Atlanta in five games
Game 1 — Saturday, April 29th

Game 2 — Monday, May 1st

Game 3 — Friday, May 5th

Game 4 — Sunday, May 7th

Game 5 (if necessary) — Tuesday, May 9th

Game 6 (if necessary) — Thursday, May 11th

Game 7 (if necessary) — Sunday, May 14th



If Celtics-Hawks lasts at least six games
Game 1 — Monday, May 1st

Game 2 — Wednesday, May 3rd

Game 3 — Friday, May 5th

Game 4 — Sunday, May 7th

Game 5 (if necessary) — Tuesday, May 9th

Game 6 (if necessary) — Thursday, May 11th

Game 7 (if necessary) — Sunday, May 14th

So although the series going to 6 has the series starting Monday, the games will be every other day, where with starting on Saturday there is a 4 day break between game 2 and 3.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1162 » by mjkvol » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:18 pm

It's moot, anyway. Atlanta got their one game and they're without Murray in game 5 - ugly blowout forthcoming.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1163 » by SixthStreet » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:33 pm

My opinion is sit Embiid out for both games in Boston and try to win 4 of 5 with 3 at home with as close to 100% Joel with 2 weeks rest/recovery.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1164 » by Negrodamus » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:34 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
rzzzzz wrote:

(Just steal one more game, willya?)


Eh, would it be better?

Here are the playoff scenarios

https://www.phillyvoice.com/philadelphia-76ers-news-sixers-when-does-second-round-series-start-playoff-schedule-celtics-hawks/

If the Celtics finish their series vs. Atlanta in five games
Game 1 — Saturday, April 29th

Game 2 — Monday, May 1st

Game 3 — Friday, May 5th

Game 4 — Sunday, May 7th

Game 5 (if necessary) — Tuesday, May 9th

Game 6 (if necessary) — Thursday, May 11th

Game 7 (if necessary) — Sunday, May 14th



If Celtics-Hawks lasts at least six games
Game 1 — Monday, May 1st

Game 2 — Wednesday, May 3rd

Game 3 — Friday, May 5th

Game 4 — Sunday, May 7th

Game 5 (if necessary) — Tuesday, May 9th

Game 6 (if necessary) — Thursday, May 11th

Game 7 (if necessary) — Sunday, May 14th

So although the series going to 6 has the series starting Monday, the games will be every other day, where with starting on Saturday there is a 4 day break between game 2 and 3.


It would be advantageous in the sense that they have to play at least one more full NBA playoff game which comes with a whole host of potential issues: fatigue, injuries, disappointment,
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1165 » by rzzzzz » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:35 pm

mjkvol wrote:It's moot, anyway. Atlanta got their one game and they're without Murray in game 5 - ugly blowout forthcoming.


I just saw that. Refs are refs, inconsistent at best. But what is it with this guy inviting havoc after the fact?
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1166 » by phillynative » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm

rzzzzz wrote:
mjkvol wrote:It's moot, anyway. Atlanta got their one game and they're without Murray in game 5 - ugly blowout forthcoming.


I just saw that. Refs are refs, inconsistent at best. But what is it with this guy inviting havoc after the fact?


He was payed by the elite 8-)
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1167 » by FireMorey » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:10 pm

You can't sit him. If he can gut through it, he has to. But I'd rather he not play if he's going to mope and lollygag all game, I don't want to look at that for 48 minutes. If he's going to be like that then sit out.

But you can't just gift games 1 and 2. Then you'd have to win 4 of 6 to win a series, which is statistically improbable.

And yes, if the Sixers fall in round 2 I do believe they should look to trade Embiid. Not because it's his fault or because he isn't great. But because this team isn't constructed to win games without him or playing injured and he's always hurt. Kevin Durant was had for a massive package. The Sixers could get just as much for Embiid if not more for him than Durant. He's younger and he's coming off an MVP season and Durant is injury prone too lately and he got traded for a ton.

You get 3 young players, plus a combination of like 4 firsts and 2 or 3 swaps for Embiid. Let Harden walk. Trade Harris' expiring for a bad contract + another first rounder. Then just tank with Maxey for a year or two, so with him it won't be as bad and boring as it was in the early process years. Then you're cooking.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1168 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:15 pm

FireMorey wrote:You can't sit him. If he can gut through it, he has to. But I'd rather he not play if he's going to mope and lollygag all game, I don't want to look at that for 48 minutes. If he's going to be like that then sit out.

But you can't just gift games 1 and 2. Then you'd have to win 4 of 6 to win a series, which is statistically improbable.

And yes, if the Sixers fall in round 2 I do believe they should look to trade Embiid. Not because it's his fault or because he isn't great. But because this team isn't constructed to win games without him or playing injured and he's always hurt. Kevin Durant was had for a massive package. The Sixers could get just as much for Embiid if not more for him than Durant. He's younger and he's coming off an MVP season and Durant is injury prone too lately and he got traded for a ton.

You get 3 young players, plus a combination of like 4 firsts and 2 or 3 swaps for Embiid. Let Harden walk. Trade Harris' expiring for a bad contract + another first rounder. Then just tank with Maxey for a year or two, so with him it won't be as bad and boring as it was in the early process years. Then you're cooking.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1169 » by eyeatoma » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:15 pm

mjkvol wrote:It's moot, anyway. Atlanta got their one game and they're without Murray in game 5 - ugly blowout forthcoming.
Oh didn't see that, what an idiot.

Yeah 5 game gentleman's sweep it is...

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1170 » by eyeatoma » Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:22 am

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Post#1171 » by mjkvol » Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:27 am

FireMorey wrote:You can't sit him. If he can gut through it, he has to. But I'd rather he not play if he's going to mope and lollygag all game, I don't want to look at that for 48 minutes. If he's going to be like that then sit out.

But you can't just gift games 1 and 2. Then you'd have to win 4 of 6 to win a series, which is statistically improbable.

And yes, if the Sixers fall in round 2 I do believe they should look to trade Embiid. Not because it's his fault or because he isn't great. But because this team isn't constructed to win games without him or playing injured and he's always hurt. Kevin Durant was had for a massive package. The Sixers could get just as much for Embiid if not more for him than Durant. He's younger and he's coming off an MVP season and Durant is injury prone too lately and he got traded for a ton.

You get 3 young players, plus a combination of like 4 firsts and 2 or 3 swaps for Embiid. Let Harden walk. Trade Harris' expiring for a bad contract + another first rounder. Then just tank with Maxey for a year or two, so with him it won't be as bad and boring as it was in the early process years. Then you're cooking.


Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1172 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:34 am

I think trading Embiid because we lose to Boston is beyond knee jerk reaction. I think anyone with even the slightest bit of basketball knowledge knew way back in January that we weren't getting out of the 2nd round without home court advantage.
Embiid getting shelved definitely hurts but this honestly wasn't going to be our year anyway. Even with a fully healthy Jo, we're still a half step behind both Milwaukee and Boston. By no means should that signal a rebuild. In fact, quite the opposite. I think we can pass both of them up next season. I think the Bucks and Celtics are due for down seasons next year and I think that'll be our best shot. I'm in no way calling it quits on this season because I believe anything can happen, but an Embiid trade is extremely premature at this time. We're right there.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1173 » by FireMorey » Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:53 am

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FireMorey wrote:You can't sit him. If he can gut through it, he has to. But I'd rather he not play if he's going to mope and lollygag all game, I don't want to look at that for 48 minutes. If he's going to be like that then sit out.

But you can't just gift games 1 and 2. Then you'd have to win 4 of 6 to win a series, which is statistically improbable.

And yes, if the Sixers fall in round 2 I do believe they should look to trade Embiid. Not because it's his fault or because he isn't great. But because this team isn't constructed to win games without him or playing injured and he's always hurt. Kevin Durant was had for a massive package. The Sixers could get just as much for Embiid if not more for him than Durant. He's younger and he's coming off an MVP season and Durant is injury prone too lately and he got traded for a ton.

You get 3 young players, plus a combination of like 4 firsts and 2 or 3 swaps for Embiid. Let Harden walk. Trade Harris' expiring for a bad contract + another first rounder. Then just tank with Maxey for a year or two, so with him it won't be as bad and boring as it was in the early process years. Then you're cooking.


Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


"Teams don't do that" isn't really a reason. If you can explain to me how the Sixers can improve next season to win a title by next year if they can't do it this year when their best player gets hurt every single year, then by all means.

They have no picks to trade. They have no cap room. They don't have really any desirable assets to trade besides Maxey to get another star. They're stuck basically where they are. And their best player can't stay healthy. So what is going to change by next summer?
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1174 » by Mik317 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:25 am

you don't trade stars unless they ask out.

Josh Harris is also investing in other markets so like it or not, the annual second round exit and media attention due to Biid is fine to him.

So it is a moot point.

That being said...i am closer to being on that side tho. Love Biid and I am super glad he will get his MVP. "almost" makes all of this worth it BUT to get us out of this hole we would need more creative minds than we have in charge....so I don't think this current FO will be able to build a real team that can pull a Dirk-esque run with a declining Biid.

As it stands our only move is to bring back Harden and hope someone gives us something for Tobias' expiring and hope Maxey levels up some more...and maybe with a better coach. But Harden and Biid will be a year older; I doubt we get anything good for Tobias, and Maxey can only get but so much better...and we probably won't fire Doc with the season we had and the latest Biid injury excuse already loaded....and if we do it will be for another dinosaur in D'Antoni...so who gives a ****.

But lets say Harden walks....then what?

we are kinda **** lol
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Post#1175 » by HardenToSixers » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:57 am

we really drafted a superstar in Embiid who sat on the sidelines for 2 years for us to assemble the greatest team ever.... and then shat the bed at every possible turn, didn't we...
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1176 » by Sixteen » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:15 am

HardenToSixers wrote:we really drafted a superstar in Embiid for sat on the sidelines for 2 years for us to assemble the greatest team ever.... and then shat the bed at every possible turn, didn't we...


It was still worth it. This is still the best stretch of sixers basketball for me. I started watching the sixers in 03, and they were a regular 8th seed with a mid pick.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1177 » by Lou_23 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:54 am

Sixers fans are the best in the world. We are in the second round after the first 4 games sweep since Doctor J and they are talking about trading the MVP of the league.

Because you know, it is what great franchises do.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1178 » by Bum Adebayo » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:11 am

We had the team, look at Butler, are you telling me we wouldn't be clearly better than we are now with this version of Butler? I really appreciate the playmaking Harden provides, I really do, but the way his scoring drops in playoffs these days is just insane, yeah we would be better with Butler.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1179 » by mjkvol » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:29 am

FireMorey wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
FireMorey wrote:You can't sit him. If he can gut through it, he has to. But I'd rather he not play if he's going to mope and lollygag all game, I don't want to look at that for 48 minutes. If he's going to be like that then sit out.

But you can't just gift games 1 and 2. Then you'd have to win 4 of 6 to win a series, which is statistically improbable.

And yes, if the Sixers fall in round 2 I do believe they should look to trade Embiid. Not because it's his fault or because he isn't great. But because this team isn't constructed to win games without him or playing injured and he's always hurt. Kevin Durant was had for a massive package. The Sixers could get just as much for Embiid if not more for him than Durant. He's younger and he's coming off an MVP season and Durant is injury prone too lately and he got traded for a ton.

You get 3 young players, plus a combination of like 4 firsts and 2 or 3 swaps for Embiid. Let Harden walk. Trade Harris' expiring for a bad contract + another first rounder. Then just tank with Maxey for a year or two, so with him it won't be as bad and boring as it was in the early process years. Then you're cooking.


Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


"Teams don't do that" isn't really a reason. If you can explain to me how the Sixers can improve next season to win a title by next year if they can't do it this year when their best player gets hurt every single year, then by all means.

They have no picks to trade. They have no cap room. They don't have really any desirable assets to trade besides Maxey to get another star. They're stuck basically where they are. And their best player can't stay healthy. So what is going to change by next summer?


You don't blow it up unless you are a borderline playoff team in the same situation, and you certainly don't when you are legitimately a top 5-6 team in the league with a superstar in his prime. I get your point, but right now it's too ridiculous to even address. You at the very least run this back once more and build around the edges, picking up a backup PG and seeing what can be had for Harris. Now if Harden decides to walk or demands more than three years, you have something to think about.

And you're not even considering the business side of this. Josh Harris has a cash cow with two marketable stars (one coming off an MVP season) and an emerging star that routinely sells out and brings in playoff revenue - he's going to trash that and go back to an empty arena and a 20 win team before exhausting all options to improve this group? Please stop.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1180 » by Sam Hinkie » Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:14 pm

mjkvol wrote:Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


Embiid has the potential to really fall off a cliff in 2-3 seasons. His injuries are really adding up.

What is their path to a title? I guess re-sign Harden and trading Maxey/Tobias/Picks for Lillard or Butler.

I'm in favor of completely blowing it up (S&T Harden for bad salary/picks, Trade Embiid, Trade Maxey) or trading Maxey/Harris for a star and signing Harden.

I think Morey has been straddling both sides for at least one season too long. He has to fully commit to one direction this summer.

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