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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1181 » by eyeatoma » Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:30 pm

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mjkvol wrote:Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


Embiid has the potential to really fall off a cliff in 2-3 seasons. His injuries are really adding up.

What is their path to a title? I guess re-sign Harden and trading Maxey/Tobias/Picks for Lillard or Butler.

I'm in favor of completely blowing it up (S&T Harden for bad salary/picks, Trade Embiid, Trade Maxey) or trading Maxey/Harris for a star and signing Harden.

I think Morey has been straddling both sides for at least one season too long. He has to fully commit to one direction this summer.



Adding up lol? He was relatively healthy all season, and once again some scrub got him hurt. Ya'll really like to be melodramatic here.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1182 » by the_process » Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:02 pm

I am generally in favor of starting over with this team. An Embiid return, coming off an (presumed) MVP year, would be astronomical. He fetches more than Durant or Gobert. Ultimate sell high move.

However there are a ton of variables left to be able to solve that equation fully as of right now.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1183 » by Negrodamus » Tue Apr 25, 2023 2:03 pm

I'm still waiting for Joel to slow down at all. He has had injuries everywhere, so wouldn't the slow down process have already started given the injury plagued beginning of his career?
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1184 » by Sixerscan » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:18 pm

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Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


"Teams don't do that" isn't really a reason. If you can explain to me how the Sixers can improve next season to win a title by next year if they can't do it this year when their best player gets hurt every single year, then by all means.

They have no picks to trade. They have no cap room. They don't have really any desirable assets to trade besides Maxey to get another star. They're stuck basically where they are. And their best player can't stay healthy. So what is going to change by next summer?


You don't blow it up unless you are a borderline playoff team in the same situation, and you certainly don't when you are legitimately a top 5-6 team in the league with a superstar in his prime. I get your point, but right now it's too ridiculous to even address. You at the very least run this back once more and build around the edges, picking up a backup PG and seeing what can be had for Harris. Now if Harden decides to walk or demands more than three years, you have something to think about.

And you're not even considering the business side of this. Josh Harris has a cash cow with two marketable stars (one coming off an MVP season) and an emerging star that routinely sells out and brings in playoff revenue - he's going to trash that and go back to an empty arena and a 20 win team before exhausting all options to improve this group? Please stop.


Yup, also the whole push for a new stadium.

You don't trade a guy like him until he asks, and as others have shown, you can still get a ton for a guy even after he asks.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1185 » by FireMorey » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:30 pm

mjkvol wrote:
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Teams don't trade superstars unless they demand a trade, and teams certainly don't trade franchise players coming off an MVP season. As a franchise, you have a win now team with a superstar in his prime and you're just going to dump it all, go the lottery route and start over? I've heard of bizarre timing for crazy trades, but this might be the topper.


"Teams don't do that" isn't really a reason. If you can explain to me how the Sixers can improve next season to win a title by next year if they can't do it this year when their best player gets hurt every single year, then by all means.

They have no picks to trade. They have no cap room. They don't have really any desirable assets to trade besides Maxey to get another star. They're stuck basically where they are. And their best player can't stay healthy. So what is going to change by next summer?


You don't blow it up unless you are a borderline playoff team in the same situation, and you certainly don't when you are legitimately a top 5-6 team in the league with a superstar in his prime. I get your point, but right now it's too ridiculous to even address. You at the very least run this back once more and build around the edges, picking up a backup PG and seeing what can be had for Harris. Now if Harden decides to walk or demands more than three years, you have something to think about.

And you're not even considering the business side of this. Josh Harris has a cash cow with two marketable stars (one coming off an MVP season) and an emerging star that routinely sells out and brings in playoff revenue - he's going to trash that and go back to an empty arena and a 20 win team before exhausting all options to improve this group? Please stop.


I don't think he's going to do it, but I think it would be the best for their future. Better to blow the thing up too early than too late. And if Harden leaves they have no shot to do anything next season anyway. Don't want to be caught in a position where they keep trying to duct tape this thing together to win a title, max out as a 2nd round team, Embiid starts to decline, you can't get nearly as much for him in a trade, and then you're stuck in nowhere's ville.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1186 » by SixthStreet » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:36 pm

This team is very close to winning a championship and we are talking about blowing it up. LOL.

The chips have fallen that in Round 2 the two best teams left have to play each other (assuming Miami closes it out) and unfortunately we are in the series.

The winner of us and Boston is winning the title.

There's no way we should blow it up until at least after next season.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1187 » by AI_Efficiency » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:41 pm

To start the year there was a part of me wondering if it would be smart to trade embiid and sell high (removing the ownership financial incentives aspect from the equation), but after this year and even with the injury I think you go with embiid until he doesn’t want to be here. He’s gotten so good that there is at least some chance he gets a lucky playoff run where he single handedly carried the team on a deep run, Dirk style. Even with a lot of picks, the odds of getting another mvp candidate that you need to win a title are probably pretty low. Even if harden leaves, I think you still tinker around embiid and Maxey.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1188 » by SixthStreet » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:50 pm

I think you do a 1 year reboot around Maxey and Embiid if Harden leaves. If he leaves it will definitely be in a S&T where we take on short term salary that we can flip for other stuff later as we won't want to lose the ability to use that salary space (since we'd still be over the cap anyways).
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Post#1189 » by XtremeDunkz » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:51 pm

Y'all are crazy

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1190 » by M2J » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:56 pm

I'll just say Philly has fantastic options. I would want my MVP to retire a sixer if I'm the owner. But, it would seem the title window ends next year. A reset for both sides should be an option.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1191 » by Mik317 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:58 pm

XtremeDunkz wrote:Y'all are crazy

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people here willingly chose to root for the sixers

i thought the mental illness was obvious
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1192 » by Negrodamus » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:02 pm

Our league imposed GM (or his wife) had burner accounts that were ripping on our players and airing out insider information. I think crazy comes with the territory here.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1193 » by mjkvol » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:25 pm

FireMorey wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
FireMorey wrote:
"Teams don't do that" isn't really a reason. If you can explain to me how the Sixers can improve next season to win a title by next year if they can't do it this year when their best player gets hurt every single year, then by all means.

They have no picks to trade. They have no cap room. They don't have really any desirable assets to trade besides Maxey to get another star. They're stuck basically where they are. And their best player can't stay healthy. So what is going to change by next summer?


You don't blow it up unless you are a borderline playoff team in the same situation, and you certainly don't when you are legitimately a top 5-6 team in the league with a superstar in his prime. I get your point, but right now it's too ridiculous to even address. You at the very least run this back once more and build around the edges, picking up a backup PG and seeing what can be had for Harris. Now if Harden decides to walk or demands more than three years, you have something to think about.

And you're not even considering the business side of this. Josh Harris has a cash cow with two marketable stars (one coming off an MVP season) and an emerging star that routinely sells out and brings in playoff revenue - he's going to trash that and go back to an empty arena and a 20 win team before exhausting all options to improve this group? Please stop.


I don't think he's going to do it, but I think it would be the best for their future. Better to blow the thing up too early than too late. And if Harden leaves they have no shot to do anything next season anyway. Don't want to be caught in a position where they keep trying to duct tape this thing together to win a title, max out as a 2nd round team, Embiid starts to decline, you can't get nearly as much for him in a trade, and then you're stuck in nowhere's ville.


It's hard to look at this from just a GM nerd perspective because of the enormous business consequences. But even so, you guys are talking about ripping it up and starting over when you have a top 5 team in the league with a very good chance of being as good or better next year if some smart moves are made to enhance the roster depth.

I completely get the concept of selling high, and I share the frustration over the mismanagement and the butchering of the assets from The Process. The time to tear it down if you were going to do it would have been after the Horford season, but Morey has done enough to get us to the point of potentially being the best team of the Process era. Right now is not the time to start over.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1194 » by mksp » Tue Apr 25, 2023 7:27 pm

SixthStreet wrote:This team is very close to winning a championship and we are talking about blowing it up. LOL.

The chips have fallen that in Round 2 the two best teams left have to play each other (assuming Miami closes it out) and unfortunately we are in the series.

The winner of us and Boston is winning the title.

There's no way we should blow it up until at least after next season.


If we play Miami, Miami has the best playoff player in the series.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1195 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:14 pm

Not sure if anyone updated this or not...Jo has a sprained LCL...Not ACL. Bit of a difference between the two. Recovery time is about the same...BUT...LCL seems to heal faster and easier. He'll have to wear a brace...I'm guessing that he'll be ready for game 2-3 at the latest.

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https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-injury-update-sixers-nba-playoffs-2023-sixers-celtics
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1196 » by AI_Efficiency » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:22 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Not sure if anyone updated this or not...Jo has a sprained LCL...Not ACL. Bit of a difference between the two. Recovery time is about the same...BUT...LCL seems to heal faster and easier. He'll have to wear a brace...I'm guessing that he'll be ready for game 2-3 at the latest.

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https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-injury-update-sixers-nba-playoffs-2023-sixers-celtics

Just saw this too which is an interview with an orthopedic surgeon. Sounds like if he comes back too early there is a risk though of further injury or even needing surgery. I’m worried he might rush back and get hurt again and be out the rest of the way.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-analysis-joel-embiid-lcl-sprain-knee-injury-chris-selgrath-orthapedic-surgeon-nba-playoffs/amp/
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1197 » by Stanford » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:33 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I'm guessing that he'll be ready for game 2-3 at the latest.


We'll need Embiid playing at his absolute best for 7 games to beat the Celtics.

We all know where this is headed.
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1198 » by zaz102 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:38 pm

AI_Efficiency wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Not sure if anyone updated this or not...Jo has a sprained LCL...Not ACL. Bit of a difference between the two. Recovery time is about the same...BUT...LCL seems to heal faster and easier. He'll have to wear a brace...I'm guessing that he'll be ready for game 2-3 at the latest.

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https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/sixers/sixers-joel-embiid-knee-injury-update-sixers-nba-playoffs-2023-sixers-celtics

Just saw this too which is an interview with an orthopedic surgeon. Sounds like if he comes back too early there is a risk though of further injury or even needing surgery. I’m worried he might rush back and get hurt again and be out the rest of the way.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/sixers-analysis-joel-embiid-lcl-sprain-knee-injury-chris-selgrath-orthapedic-surgeon-nba-playoffs/amp/
Kind of tough either way. If he doesn't try to rush back, it could be 2-3 games. If you get down in a 2-0 or a 3-0 hole against the Cs, what difference does it make?

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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1199 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:43 pm

C'mon Atlanta. Give us 1 more win...
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Re: Joel: unchained. 

Post#1200 » by Jay555 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:44 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:C'mon Atlanta. Give us 1 more win...


That would do it!

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