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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#381 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:41 pm

When asked by Logan Murdock of The Ringer about what went wrong with the Brooklyn Nets, he said that it would be up to James Harden and Kyrie Irving to explain it. Durant signed an extension in the 2021 offseason and expected Harden and Irving to follow suit before the start of the 22-22 season. Both players eventually asked for trades from the Nets.

“You got to ask them, to be honest,” Durant said. “My job is to play, and I think I did that. Rehab, a lot of stuff was out of my control that I didn’t ... I can’t speak on, to be honest, but I just thought we didn’t play enough minutes together. That’s all.”

Durant was also asked about where his relationship with Irving stands now.

“That’s something I’m going to keep internal. I don’t want to expose our relationship,” Durant said. “I think that’s deeper than basketball, but I wouldn’t say it was a problem. I didn’t think it was a problem.”


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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#382 » by Eatgreenz » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:26 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
When asked by Logan Murdock of The Ringer about what went wrong with the Brooklyn Nets, he said that it would be up to James Harden and Kyrie Irving to explain it. Durant signed an extension in the 2021 offseason and expected Harden and Irving to follow suit before the start of the 22-22 season. Both players eventually asked for trades from the Nets.

“You got to ask them, to be honest,” Durant said. “My job is to play, and I think I did that. Rehab, a lot of stuff was out of my control that I didn’t ... I can’t speak on, to be honest, but I just thought we didn’t play enough minutes together. That’s all.”

Durant was also asked about where his relationship with Irving stands now.

“That’s something I’m going to keep internal. I don’t want to expose our relationship,” Durant said. “I think that’s deeper than basketball, but I wouldn’t say it was a problem. I didn’t think it was a problem.”


Dude is a real bitch.

Yea this was disappointing to read like he wont take any responsibility on anything in his Nets stay. Marks in his presser talked about his mistakes and learning from them but KD's ego wont let him because it proves everyone who says his not a leader right. Even when watching the suns it looks like his following Booker whose like 25yr smfh. If KD actually been a leader this whole situation doesnt turn out this way.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#383 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:05 am

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MrDollarBills wrote:
When asked by Logan Murdock of The Ringer about what went wrong with the Brooklyn Nets, he said that it would be up to James Harden and Kyrie Irving to explain it. Durant signed an extension in the 2021 offseason and expected Harden and Irving to follow suit before the start of the 22-22 season. Both players eventually asked for trades from the Nets.

“You got to ask them, to be honest,” Durant said. “My job is to play, and I think I did that. Rehab, a lot of stuff was out of my control that I didn’t ... I can’t speak on, to be honest, but I just thought we didn’t play enough minutes together. That’s all.”

Durant was also asked about where his relationship with Irving stands now.

“That’s something I’m going to keep internal. I don’t want to expose our relationship,” Durant said. “I think that’s deeper than basketball, but I wouldn’t say it was a problem. I didn’t think it was a problem.”


Dude is a real bitch.

Yea this was disappointing to read like he wont take any responsibility on anything in his Nets stay. Marks in his presser talked about his mistakes and learning from them but KD's ego wont let him because it proves everyone who says his not a leader right. Even when watching the suns it looks like his following Booker whose like 25yr smfh. If KD actually been a leader this whole situation doesnt turn out this way.


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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#384 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:08 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Dude is a real bitch.

Yea this was disappointing to read like he wont take any responsibility on anything in his Nets stay. Marks in his presser talked about his mistakes and learning from them but KD's ego wont let him because it proves everyone who says his not a leader right. Even when watching the suns it looks like his following Booker whose like 25yr smfh. If KD actually been a leader this whole situation doesnt turn out this way.


He's a bus rider

It's what has been long speculated. Harden gave the Kyrie or me ultimatum, and KD stuck by Kyrie.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#385 » by Riconet » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:35 am

I understand why people can be PO'd at KD, but I'm not quite there myself. He didn't lie and he gave us everything he had, which was a lot. He sure as heck didn't roll out of bed some days and just blow off coming to work because he wasn't feeling it that day, unlike the bozo.

KD made a lot of mistakes, by far the worst of which was his choice of co-star. He also forced other roster and coaching decisions that turned out badly. And he shirked accountability and was generally pretty immature despite his age and NBA tenure. It does seem clear though that he feels badly about how it turned out here and he feels betrayed by the bozo -- which he clearly was -- even though he doesn't want to come out and say it publicly.

I wish KD were more of a leader while he was here, and I wish he had been savvier about his choices. But I'd have him on my team anytime as long as he's not involved in roster construction or any other team decisions.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#386 » by GTR11 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:39 am

MrDollarBills wrote:
When asked by Logan Murdock of The Ringer about what went wrong with the Brooklyn Nets, he said that it would be up to James Harden and Kyrie Irving to explain it. Durant signed an extension in the 2021 offseason and expected Harden and Irving to follow suit before the start of the 22-22 season. Both players eventually asked for trades from the Nets.

“You got to ask them, to be honest,” Durant said. “My job is to play, and I think I did that. Rehab, a lot of stuff was out of my control that I didn’t ... I can’t speak on, to be honest, but I just thought we didn’t play enough minutes together. That’s all.”

Durant was also asked about where his relationship with Irving stands now.

“That’s something I’m going to keep internal. I don’t want to expose our relationship,” Durant said. “I think that’s deeper than basketball, but I wouldn’t say it was a problem. I didn’t think it was a problem.”


Dude is a real bitch.

Can you believe this sh*** :rofl:


Fuc* out here :rofl:
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#387 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:16 am

This is what we need to do, roster wise to maximize what we have.

-We need a stretch 5 that can at bare minimum rebound at a decent rate and bang inside.

-Shift Claxton to PF. He will be elite if he can play in the free safety role instead of having to defend guys 50 pounds heavier than him.

-Resign Cam Johnson. Pencil him at SF next to Bridges at SG

-We need an elite PG.

Check off these boxes and this will be a fantastic team. Burn picks and assets, but keep the ones that are farthest out. Claxton and Bridges are off the table.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#388 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 26, 2023 3:17 am

TheNetsFan wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:
Eatgreenz wrote:Yea this was disappointing to read like he wont take any responsibility on anything in his Nets stay. Marks in his presser talked about his mistakes and learning from them but KD's ego wont let him because it proves everyone who says his not a leader right. Even when watching the suns it looks like his following Booker whose like 25yr smfh. If KD actually been a leader this whole situation doesnt turn out this way.


He's a bus rider

It's what has been long speculated. Harden gave the Kyrie or me ultimatum, and KD stuck by Kyrie.


Yep. It's clear that Harden was not f*cking with Kyrie. Harden has his own issues but I'd have banked on him and KD and told Kyrie to piss off. craziness.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#389 » by Marvin Martian » Wed Apr 26, 2023 6:41 am

MrDollarBills wrote:This is what we need to do, roster wise to maximize what we have.

-We need a stretch 5 that can at bare minimum rebound at a decent rate and bang inside.

-Shift Claxton to PF. He will be elite if he can play in the free safety role instead of having to defend guys 50 pounds heavier than him.

-Resign Cam Johnson. Pencil him at SF next to Bridges at SG

-We need an elite PG.

Check off these boxes and this will be a fantastic team. Burn picks and assets, but keep the ones that are farthest out. Claxton and Bridges are off the table.


Cam Johnson is a PF. That is his natural position. He is not skilled enough to play SF.

We already saw flashes of how dangerous Cam can be offensively when we played small with O Neal at the 5.

Claxton is the one holding this team back on offense. He is not a modern big man. Miles Turner can give you 60-70% of what Clax provides on defense while also being a knockdown shooter and being decent at the ft line.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#390 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:07 am

It's not the direction I would go or I think either team goes, but Bleacher Report put out a hypothetical that I don't think is salary cap legal that if on the table I think we'd need to at least seriously consider:

Blazers get Bridges
Nets get: Sharpe, Little, #5 and a 2026 unprotected first.

It's really hard to say no to something like that.
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Post#391 » by GTR11 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:01 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:It's not the direction I would go or I think either team goes, but Bleacher Report put out a hypothetical that I don't think is salary cap legal that if on the table I think we'd need to at least seriously consider:

Blazers get Bridges
Nets get: Sharpe, Little, #5 and a 2026 unprotected first.

It's really hard to say no to something like that.

It's possible because they 24m under the cap. Bridges will be making 21.7m. They'll have full MLE too.

I'd love to send them some extra contract along but I doubt they will want it. Shedding Patty's contract can help us and adds depth for them.

I'd welcome this trade. And if we get lucky and win 1st or 2nd spot we'd land franchise player in Wemby or Scoot. Than things can get very interesting fast.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#392 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:05 pm

Riconet wrote:I understand why people can be PO'd at KD, but I'm not quite there myself. He didn't lie and he gave us everything he had, which was a lot. He sure as heck didn't roll out of bed some days and just blow off coming to work because he wasn't feeling it that day, unlike the bozo.

KD made a lot of mistakes, by far the worst of which was his choice of co-star. He also forced other roster and coaching decisions that turned out badly. And he shirked accountability and was generally pretty immature despite his age and NBA tenure. It does seem clear though that he feels badly about how it turned out here and he feels betrayed by the bozo -- which he clearly was -- even though he doesn't want to come out and say it publicly.

I wish KD were more of a leader while he was here, and I wish he had been savvier about his choices. But I'd have him on my team anytime as long as he's not involved in roster construction or any other team decisions.


Well said. Agree with all of this

To be honest. I feel betrayed by Kyrie too
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#393 » by NetsWorld » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:29 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:
Riconet wrote:I understand why people can be PO'd at KD, but I'm not quite there myself. He didn't lie and he gave us everything he had, which was a lot. He sure as heck didn't roll out of bed some days and just blow off coming to work because he wasn't feeling it that day, unlike the bozo.

KD made a lot of mistakes, by far the worst of which was his choice of co-star. He also forced other roster and coaching decisions that turned out badly. And he shirked accountability and was generally pretty immature despite his age and NBA tenure. It does seem clear though that he feels badly about how it turned out here and he feels betrayed by the bozo -- which he clearly was -- even though he doesn't want to come out and say it publicly.

I wish KD were more of a leader while he was here, and I wish he had been savvier about his choices. But I'd have him on my team anytime as long as he's not involved in roster construction or any other team decisions.


Well said. Agree with all of this

To be honest. I feel betrayed by Kyrie too


Can you stay on your board please? No one cares about you being KD's lawyer; he was a chump for quitting and he was also responsible for the mess. He picked Irving and lived and died by him. Just get out of here, we don't want any justifications for KD departing like the bitch he is.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#394 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:56 pm

NetsWorld wrote:
sashaturiaf wrote:
Riconet wrote:I understand why people can be PO'd at KD, but I'm not quite there myself. He didn't lie and he gave us everything he had, which was a lot. He sure as heck didn't roll out of bed some days and just blow off coming to work because he wasn't feeling it that day, unlike the bozo.

KD made a lot of mistakes, by far the worst of which was his choice of co-star. He also forced other roster and coaching decisions that turned out badly. And he shirked accountability and was generally pretty immature despite his age and NBA tenure. It does seem clear though that he feels badly about how it turned out here and he feels betrayed by the bozo -- which he clearly was -- even though he doesn't want to come out and say it publicly.

I wish KD were more of a leader while he was here, and I wish he had been savvier about his choices. But I'd have him on my team anytime as long as he's not involved in roster construction or any other team decisions.


Well said. Agree with all of this

To be honest. I feel betrayed by Kyrie too


Can you stay on your board please? No one cares about you being KD's lawyer; he was a chump for quitting and he was also responsible for the mess. He picked Irving and lived and died by him. Just get out of here, we don't want any justifications for KD departing like the bitch he is.


I take this post was meant for Richonet and not me??
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#395 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:10 pm

Marvin Martian wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:This is what we need to do, roster wise to maximize what we have.

-We need a stretch 5 that can at bare minimum rebound at a decent rate and bang inside.

-Shift Claxton to PF. He will be elite if he can play in the free safety role instead of having to defend guys 50 pounds heavier than him.

-Resign Cam Johnson. Pencil him at SF next to Bridges at SG

-We need an elite PG.

Check off these boxes and this will be a fantastic team. Burn picks and assets, but keep the ones that are farthest out. Claxton and Bridges are off the table.


Cam Johnson is a PF. That is his natural position. He is not skilled enough to play SF.

We already saw flashes of how dangerous Cam can be offensively when we played small with O Neal at the 5.

Claxton is the one holding this team back on offense. He is not a modern big man. Miles Turner can give you 60-70% of what Clax provides on defense while also being a knockdown shooter and being decent at the ft line.


Cam played SF the entire time he's been here.

Claxton isn't holding this team back on offense, I totally disagree with this. We need a PG that can maximize Claxton as a lob threat and get him a C that can stretch the floor so that he can shift to a more natural fit at PF, like how Robert Williams is used in Boston next to Al Horford.

Nic Claxton is a modern big man, the idiot GM needs to build the roster sensibly for once.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#396 » by MrDollarBills » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:12 pm

TheNetsFan wrote:It's not the direction I would go or I think either team goes, but Bleacher Report put out a hypothetical that I don't think is salary cap legal that if on the table I think we'd need to at least seriously consider:

Blazers get Bridges
Nets get: Sharpe, Little, #5 and a 2026 unprotected first.

It's really hard to say no to something like that.


Give me Simons instead of Little.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#397 » by NetsWorld » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:22 pm

sashaturiaf wrote:
NetsWorld wrote:
sashaturiaf wrote:
Well said. Agree with all of this

To be honest. I feel betrayed by Kyrie too


Can you stay on your board please? No one cares about you being KD's lawyer; he was a chump for quitting and he was also responsible for the mess. He picked Irving and lived and died by him. Just get out of here, we don't want any justifications for KD departing like the bitch he is.


I take this post was meant for Richonet and not me??


Who has the Suns logo? There’s your answer. You proved you are a KD Stan. Richo gets a pass because he didn’t jump ship.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#398 » by Riconet » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:28 pm

NetsWorld wrote:Can you stay on your board please? No one cares about you being KD's lawyer; he was a chump for quitting and he was also responsible for the mess. He picked Irving and lived and died by him. Just get out of here, we don't want any justifications for KD departing like the bitch he is.


What board is that? I live in Brooklyn, I've been going to Nets games since they moved here and I've been a Nets fan since they had Kenny Anderson, Drazen Petrovic and Derrick Coleman.

Maybe you should check with mom. Your mac and cheese will be ready soon.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#399 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:35 pm

NetsWorld wrote:
sashaturiaf wrote:
NetsWorld wrote:
Can you stay on your board please? No one cares about you being KD's lawyer; he was a chump for quitting and he was also responsible for the mess. He picked Irving and lived and died by him. Just get out of here, we don't want any justifications for KD departing like the bitch he is.


I take this post was meant for Richonet and not me??


Who has the Suns logo? There’s your answer. You proved you are a KD Stan. Richo gets a pass because he didn’t jump ship.


I'm not here for your approval. I like the Nets, I like KD and I like basketball.

We all deal with trauma in our own personal ways, my way is to put up a Suns logo in protest, your way is to unload on me even though we've never really interacted, it's all good brother it's just therapy. God knows we need it after this season.
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Re: Early discussion on the 2023 offseason 

Post#400 » by TheNetsFan » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:11 pm

GTR11 wrote:
TheNetsFan wrote:It's not the direction I would go or I think either team goes, but Bleacher Report put out a hypothetical that I don't think is salary cap legal that if on the table I think we'd need to at least seriously consider:

Blazers get Bridges
Nets get: Sharpe, Little, #5 and a 2026 unprotected first.

It's really hard to say no to something like that.

It's possible because they 24m under the cap. Bridges will be making 21.7m. They'll have full MLE too.

I'd love to send them some extra contract along but I doubt they will want it. Shedding Patty's contract can help us and adds depth for them.

I'd welcome this trade. And if we get lucky and win 1st or 2nd spot we'd land franchise player in Wemby or Scoot. Than things can get very interesting fast.

I believe they only have that kind of cap space if they renounce Grant, which would be counter productive if trying to make a big push.

MrDollarBills wrote:Give me Simons instead of Little.

That would definitely work cap-wise. It puts a bit of a ding in our '25 cap space & the Blazers likely want every win now player they can get.

I don't love the Nurkic contract, but I wonder if the Blazers would consider something like Clax+Royce for Nurkic & #5. I love Clax, but a high potential, cost controlled asset like #5 would be hard to pass up.

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