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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition

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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#301 » by moss_is_1 » Mon Apr 24, 2023 4:54 pm

Neeva wrote:
moss_is_1 wrote:I'm not gonna sell Towns short value wise. I'd rather run it back, see what this team could do with an offseason together. Remember Towns was sick before the season, Rudy in eurobasket, no Conley. Try and upgrade the bench with what pieces we do have, bring back Naw/Naz.


Ok but get Nurse. If Towns still sucks in next years playoffs we are ****.

Definitely need to do our homework on a coach. Nurse, Udoka, Lue if he gets canned. The blown leads are unacceptable. Can't keep blaming it on a young team when so much turnover has happened and the only constant have been Finch and Ant pretty much.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#302 » by life_saver » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:14 pm

Looking at playoffs this year and recent years, Jokic is probably the only big I can think of that can perform consistently on offensive end and can elevate his game in playoffs...every other big seems to have either a dropoff in their level or struggle massively in playoffs. Sabonis has been poor in this Warriors series..KAT has like 2 good games followed by 3 bad games.. Embiid still does play well but has a big dropoff from RS. Maybe I might have forgotten some players but basically I feel like unless you are a crazy talent like Jokic, bigs are relatively less reliable offensively than guards/wings. I was never in the trade KAT camp but this is like the first time I feel like Wolves should consider it if they can find good value.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#303 » by Norseman79 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 3:20 am

Here's how I would see our roster for next year minus Kat

PG ? , Conley, ?- I like the idea of adding a starting point guard, rookie or via Kat trade, and having Conley come off the bench. This helps keep him fresh and would allow us to maximize matchups.

SG Ant, NAW, Moore - Great one two punch, can play together or compliment each other in other ways.

SF McDaniels, Prince, Minott - depending on Minotts development, I can see this changing a bit. But as is this is a nice depth and rotation position for us. Allows flexibility.

PF ?, Anderson, ? - adding a starter that pairs with McDaniels and Naz would be key here. Either through the draft or the town's trade, another long 3ND type of forward with high switchability would be great. Essentially a McDaniels clone. You could get away with a Vanderbilt type if playing with Naz.

C Naz, Gobert, Garza - I know how much money Rudy is making, but I also know the impact that Naz has on the game and the way his game has developed. I like Rudy coming off the bench despite his contract because he can be used for certain matchups or to shut down opposing second units. I just think it allows for a more fluid starting five and the potential to have a more solid bench.

In theory, when removing towns we would like to add a starting point guard and a starting forward either through players or the draft. Now when we consider timelines and fits, which teams that would be interested in towns also have players that would fit that mold?

It's hard to look at the draft right now because we would have no idea what picks we would get back. With that in mind, which players do you think would be available for towns?
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#304 » by minimus » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:25 am

A simple trade if we want to form a hard nosed group of guards

Knight, SRP for Payton Pritchard. Let Nowell go, re-sign Reid, NAW, Garza.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/???
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Pritchard/JMac
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#305 » by urinesane » Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:14 pm

minimus wrote:A simple trade if we want to form a hard nosed group of guards

Knight, SRP for Kevin Pritchard. Let Nowell go, re-sign Reid, NAW, Garza.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/???
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Pritchard/JMac


I don't know man... he looks pretty old.

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Post#306 » by Klomp » Wed Apr 26, 2023 12:29 am

minimus wrote:Knight, SRP for Kevin Pritchard. Let Nowell go, re-sign Reid, NAW, Garza.

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Post#307 » by younggunsmn » Wed Apr 26, 2023 4:47 am

1. Trade Gobert for a couple of better fitting pieces if you can ala what Dallas did with Porzingis bringing Dinwiddie back.
PG/ballhandler being highest priority.
2. Re-sign Naz even if its above market value. He's an ascending player with an incredible work ethic and is just going to keep getting better.
3. Re-sign Luka Garza and cut Nate Knight.
4. Make the QO to NAW and sign for 2-3 years if the $ is right.
5. Fill whatever hole is left after trading Gobert with the MLE and/or trade of Taurean Prince+Moore Jr.

KAT redeemed some trade value the last 3 games and will be the easier player to trade and bring back much more than Gobert.
But trading Gobert is the better long term move because he is older and an extremely poor fit with Ant.
If you trade KAT, I think Rudy has to go too.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#308 » by minimus » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:01 am

urinesane wrote:
minimus wrote:A simple trade if we want to form a hard nosed group of guards

Knight, SRP for Kevin Pritchard. Let Nowell go, re-sign Reid, NAW, Garza.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/???
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Pritchard/JMac


I don't know man... he looks pretty old.


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Post#309 » by GopherIt! » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:28 am

The FO 100% needs to pull the plug on Gobear if they can find a sucker team interested.
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Post#310 » by theGreatRC » Wed Apr 26, 2023 5:49 am

Rudy for Murray + filler, Hawks probably say no unless they move Capela, but maybe Snyder thinks a Trae/Gobert duo can work? Just throwing **** out there
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Post#311 » by MN7725 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:53 am

theGreatRC wrote:Rudy for Murray + filler, Hawks probably say no unless they move Capela, but maybe Snyder thinks a Trae/Gobert duo can work? Just throwing **** out there


Hawks have Okongwu too who they have been wanting to get more minutes for

that's kind of the biggest issue with any "C" trade, its probably the most loaded position in the league, plus there are teams that play a system that they just aren't going to put a salary or resources towards that position
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#312 » by minimus » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:54 am

Can anyone tell me whether this deal is technically possible?

MIN sign-and-trade Reid (full MLE 44mil/4yrs) for DDV who declines his PO, re-signs with GSW for 40mil/4yrs?

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/???
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/DDV/JMac
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Post#313 » by MN7725 » Wed Apr 26, 2023 7:57 am

minimus wrote:Can anyone tell me whether this deal is technically possible?

MIN sign-and-trade Reid (full MLE 44mil/4yrs) for DDV who declines his PO, re-signs with GSW for 40mil/4yrs?

Gobert/Towns/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/???
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/DDV/JMac


D Russell for Durant was a double sign/trade like that is
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#314 » by Howard Cosell » Wed Apr 26, 2023 10:27 am

Keep Ant and McDaniels. Reid for 4 years under 50 million. Blow everything else up.

It’s not going to matter because we won’t make good trades, good decisions because we are the Timberwolves. But blow it up regardless. I can’t stand watching Towns play. Emotions of a 6 year old won’t win you championships.
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#315 » by FrenchMinnyFan » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:04 am

Best team win today. But we play well and hat to the players. Off season will be important. Optimize Rudy play if possible, but look also if any trading opportunities. For me all players are tradable except Ant and Mc Daniels. Depend on the return we got. But we can also run the same team assuming we resign Reid and work hard in the off season, Make a last run with this team and if we don't reach at least the West conference final, then time to move on.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#316 » by NebWolvesFan » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:36 pm

My offseason

Unlike others I like Rudy. I think he gives us a defensive identity and his numbers with Conley were solid. I'd keep Towns because I just can't see how you would craft a good deal for him. I want to see the two play together after both go through a full preseason camp.

I would like Minnesota to trade
Prince for a back-up SG. Nowell is gone and Minnesota needs floor spacers.
Sign a back-up PG. I like Carter from the Bucks. He's gotten better every year and might be ready for a bigger role.
Sign NAW
Sign NAZ
Sign a 3rd string PG to minimum deal.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#317 » by minimus » Wed Apr 26, 2023 1:45 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:My offseason

Unlike others I like Rudy. I think he gives us a defensive identity and his numbers with Conley were solid. I'd keep Towns because I just can't see how you would craft a good deal for him. I want to see the two play together after both go through a full preseason camp.

I would like Minnesota to trade
Prince for a back-up SG. Nowell is gone and Minnesota needs floor spacers.
Sign a back-up PG. I like Carter from the Bucks. He's gotten better every year and might be ready for a bigger role.
Sign NAW
Sign NAZ
Sign a 3rd string PG to minimum deal.


Agree about Gobert. He has been a steady force in defense, while in offense our players need to be smarter to use screens and rim gravity that he provides.

I like Jevon Carter, IDK how much he will ask, but he was playing very good PoA defense at the beginning of this season. If we re-sign NAW and get backup PG (Jevon Carter, Peyton Pritchard, DDV) we need to find a reliable 3pt shooter like Watanabe. With Rudy, Towns and Edwards we need floor spacers.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Towns/Anderson/Minott
MCD/TP/Watanabe
Edwards/NAW/Moore
Conley/Pritchard/JMac
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Re: Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#318 » by life_saver » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:06 pm

I feel like the biggest need is finding a long term PG/combo guard that can share backcourt with Ant. Without much draft capital available in next few years, our best option for doing that is probably by a trade. Who even are realistic options that might be available ?
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Post#319 » by shrink » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:23 pm

life_saver wrote:Lets say Kawhi doesn't play rest of the playoffs due to his injury and Clippers lose the series 4-1...considering Kawhi's injuries in last 4 years, would you entertain a trade centered around KAT & Kawhi ? Kawhi currently has 2 years remaining on his contract (2nd one is a player option)

You nailed the reason I wouldn’t do it .. team control.

Since MIN has never been able to attract or keep star free agents, we need to be especially careful to look for stars who have longterm deals, and who want to be here so they don’t abandon us for nothing at the first opportunity. Kawhi is an interesting personality, and I think that players that have been in small markets, non-flashy guys, (and foreign players), seem to have the least problem coming to a smaller market. However, Kawhi wanted so much to be in California that he left a champion team to do it. The chance that this would be a one-year rental takes Kawhi off the table for me.

This is an unfortunate, realistic issue for an actual GM, when fans say, “Just trade Towns!” Even if MIN can get an equivalent talent, what’s going to keep him in MIN? And if you trade for win-later picks, then you are making it harder for Ant to even make the playoffs - a goal Connolly believes is critical for his development. People can hate Towns, but he is All-NBA-level talented and he seems to want to be in MIN. It’s nearly impossible to find a trade return that matches that criteria.
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Re: Trade Talk (Part Twelve): 2023 Playoff Push Edition 

Post#320 » by shrink » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:28 pm

NebWolvesFan wrote:My offseason

Unlike others I like Rudy. I think he gives us a defensive identity and his numbers with Conley were solid. I'd keep Towns because I just can't see how you would craft a good deal for him. I want to see the two play together after both go through a full preseason camp.

I would like Minnesota to trade
Prince for a back-up SG. Nowell is gone and Minnesota needs floor spacers.
Sign a back-up PG. I like Carter from the Bucks. He's gotten better every year and might be ready for a bigger role.
Sign NAW
Sign NAZ
Sign a 3rd string PG to minimum deal.

I agree with all of this, and I wouldn’t even trade Prince. If we can sign NAW and NAZ with their Bird rights, it should leave our entire non-tax MLE ($13 mil) to find free agent guards. If we’re in the playoffs, switchable backup big wings are valuable, plus Prince has some leadership cred with some younger players. But I agree he could be traded, particularly if Josh Minott seems like he can earn some of those minutes.

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