Trade Discussion 22/23

[Ni Da Ye]

Assuming Kawhi is available, is he worth the gamble?

Obviously I want to eliminate the risk by parting with Irving and acquiring Kawhi.

Having Kawhi and Irving is wayyyyyy too much risk, which no team can afford to have.

[SOUNDCHASER]

A 2 Draft picks:

when you drop down to take Gregory Jackson a 6'9 SF/PF possibly 6'10 and still growing. now w an extra pick and you can draft Zach Edey. Both are matchup nightmares and versatile enough to defend and score. Jackson can play 2 positions and maybe center as well and if Zach is the real deal no center in the league can stop him in the paint.

Green at SF and Greg at PF = some nice defense.
B Free agents: MLE and a BAE possibly and so who would you add in free agency that would take such sum?

Plumlee and Naz Reid both can play center and Naz is a big body that can bang shoot 3's and be a decent PF. If Plumlee is not a fit maybe another decent SF/PF 6'8 or larger.

C Undrafted free agent rookies: Watch for Juan Nunez best PG in Europe supposedly at 6'4

D Trades: Using the expiring contracts of Bertans and Bullock gives the mavs plenty of salary to grab something we can use from teams wanting to shrink salary cap and the best time for that is at the TDL after you see what the new pieces can do or not do. Then you know what the team still needs help with.

Pretty sure this is a contender and with that much youth the prospects of creating a contender that could last for years is worth the addition of talent from the draft.

The gift of youth is not something you can buy in free agency and it is the key to creating a contender with talent on much lower cost salaries that give you a chance to add players who otherwise would cause serious cap problems. THe draft is the only right use for the 10th pick if you can use it to fill one or 2 holes. Eventually Jackson would be the starter and lead defender at SF and Zach is a future 20-13 guy that blocks and alters tons of shots.

I can see some teams getting to the point they are going to blow things up and when that happens we just need to add one of those guys they decide is too expensive to keep around on a rebuilding team. These 2 rookies are looking great on you tube and I would love to see both end up here but with our expiring contracts there to help out if they should take a little longer to fit into the league that serves as an insurance policy that gives us the luxury to make a correction and get the team more help at the TDL so its really not that big of a gamble at all.

With better defense and bigs we are a perennial contender but you have one 30 something on the team now and we need to plan for his replacement eventually because nobody plays forever and if we can develop 2 more rookies into starters that will get us to the next level and then some.

$27 MILLION in salary shedding Insurance is there to be traded for at the TDL
NAZ and Maybe PLUMLEE is a little more insurance to provide the role players that can step in as needed when the rookies struggle. Zach is not one to engage in stupid rookie fouls and getting in foul trouble, not a problem, the stats show this proclivity to avoid foul trouble in his time on the court and that is usually what keeps a rookie big men glued to the bench so that makes him a lot more ready to step on an NBA court IMHO.

Between all our options we have a lot of talent to target in free agency the draft and via trades at the TDL so we are looking like we can take a risk on a potential generational big man talent at 7'4.

[Michaellam1987]

Sadly they have much better role players than we do. O'Neale, our once beloved Curry, Mills, other Cam, heck even Ben, those guys are better than the cluster fest our FO put together. So while Clax deserves some of that credit, i still say a top 10 pick is too much for him

We should go for option like Turner/OG, who are more 2 way players than players like Claxton/Capela

Toronto asked 3FRPs for OG... And another couple for Turner. I don't think we have the assets for them

that is why I mean we should try to go for premier option first, before settle on the lessor one

[Michaellam1987]

Very switchable and good shot blocker, but he struggles against physical center.

With Atlanta looking to re-tool and get younger would they possibly be interested in #10/Green/Bertans for Capela/Collins? Not sure if that would even work cap wise.

Man, I don't know about trading one of our best defenders for that pair.
I'd definitely offer up THJ/Bertans/#10 and maybe a future pick, but honestly I don't see the Mavs making that move and Atlanta probably says no.

Luka/Wright/
Kyrie/Hardy/Frank
Green/Holiday/Lawson
Collins/Maxi
Capela/McGee

Could definitely compete, but still would struggle defensively.

Capela and Collins combined is too big of commitment financially, not to mention we need to give up both #10 and Green for them, espcially when their trade value has dropped considerably in recent months.

[arkuo]

Assuming Kawhi is available, is he worth the gamble?

Obviously I want to eliminate the risk by parting with Irving and acquiring Kawhi.

Having Kawhi and Irving is wayyyyyy too much risk, which no team can afford to have.

I dont think Kyrie will agree to a sign and trade to LA with Kawhi leaving there.

A sign and trade with Kyrie to the Clippers nets back Robert Covington and Norm Powell to the Mavs so Kyrie, Kawhi and Paul George can all play together. That's the only way he'll agree to move there IMO.

[Mavrelous]

With Atlanta looking to re-tool and get younger would they possibly be interested in #10/Green/Bertans for Capela/Collins? Not sure if that would even work cap wise.

Man, I don't know about trading one of our best defenders for that pair.
I'd definitely offer up THJ/Bertans/#10 and maybe a future pick, but honestly I don't see the Mavs making that move and Atlanta probably says no.

Luka/Wright/
Kyrie/Hardy/Frank
Green/Holiday/Lawson
Collins/Maxi
Capela/McGee

Could definitely compete, but still would struggle defensively.

Capela and Collins combined is too big of commitment financially, not to mention we need to give up both #10 and Green for them, espcially when their trade value has dropped considerably in recent months.

I don't think Capella is worth #10, and Collins isn't a positive value.
Kleber/McGee/Bertans/#10 for Capella/Collins/#16
Hawks get a stretch 4/5 and back up 5, they stretch waive Bertans and get massive cap relief, and drop below tax.
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ
Luka/
Collins/
Capella/Powell

Sign a big wing for TPMLE (Torey Craig?),use #16 on a project.

[Maverick41]

I don't think Capella is worth #10, and Collins isn't a positive value.
Kleber/McGee/Bertans/#10 for Capella/Collins/#16
Hawks get a stretch 4/5 and back up 5, they stretch waive Bertans and get massive cap relief, and drop below tax.
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ
Luka/
Collins/
Capella/Powell

Sign a big wing for TPMLE (Torey Craig?),use #16 on a project.

I 100% do that trade if ATL was willing. That's a straight upgrade for 2 legitimate starting players in the frontcourt and then still the capability of getting a decent prospect OR trading the pick for another starting level player.

[Michaellam1987]

I don't think Capella is worth #10, and Collins isn't a positive value.
Kleber/McGee/Bertans/#10 for Capella/Collins/#16
Hawks get a stretch 4/5 and back up 5, they stretch waive Bertans and get massive cap relief, and drop below tax.
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ
Luka/
Collins/
Capella/Powell

Sign a big wing for TPMLE (Torey Craig?),use #16 on a project.

I 100% do that trade if ATL was willing. That's a straight upgrade for 2 legitimate starting players in the frontcourt and then still the capability of getting a decent prospect OR trading the pick for another starting level player.

This trade offer is extremely bad for ATL, they will never agree to give up a double double machine in Capela with acceptable mobility, a still young and potentially talented player in Collins with a large contract, in turn for 3 over 30 year old players under bad contracts, just for moving up 6 spots in the draft.

[Teffer10]

I don't think Capella is worth #10, and Collins isn't a positive value.
Kleber/McGee/Bertans/#10 for Capella/Collins/#16
Hawks get a stretch 4/5 and back up 5, they stretch waive Bertans and get massive cap relief, and drop below tax.
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ
Luka/
Collins/
Capella/Powell

Sign a big wing for TPMLE (Torey Craig?),use #16 on a project.

I 100% do that trade if ATL was willing. That's a straight upgrade for 2 legitimate starting players in the frontcourt and then still the capability of getting a decent prospect OR trading the pick for another starting level player.

This trade offer is extremely bad for ATL, they will never agree to give up a double double machine in Capela with acceptable mobility, a still young and potentially talented player in Collins with a large contract, in turn for 3 over 30 year old players under bad contracts, just for moving up 6 spots in the draft.

Yeah, you'd have to add Hardy to get Atlanta to even think about coming to the table.

More like:
THJ/Bertans/Hardy/#10
For
Collins/Capela/#16

Atlanta would probably still say no.

[Mavrelous]

I don't think Capella is worth #10, and Collins isn't a positive value.
Kleber/McGee/Bertans/#10 for Capella/Collins/#16
Hawks get a stretch 4/5 and back up 5, they stretch waive Bertans and get massive cap relief, and drop below tax.
Kyrie/Hardy
Green/THJ
Luka/
Collins/
Capella/Powell

Sign a big wing for TPMLE (Torey Craig?),use #16 on a project.

I 100% do that trade if ATL was willing. That's a straight upgrade for 2 legitimate starting players in the frontcourt and then still the capability of getting a decent prospect OR trading the pick for another starting level player.

This trade offer is extremely bad for ATL, they will never agree to give up a double double machine in Capela with acceptable mobility, a still young and potentially talented player in Collins with a large contract, in turn for 3 over 30 year old players under bad contracts, just for moving up 6 spots in the draft.

Neighbors grass is always greener...
Check Capellas minutes in the PO, his FT shooting and lack of spacing hurt teams, that's why Rockets traded him, but the Mavs rebounding is such a problem that they have to make compromises.
Collins has been dangled for a long time and Ainge asked for a 1st to take him.
Maxi is perfect complement to OO, and they are deep in tax land.
This trade gives them a spacing 4 who can switch, a backup center and 25 million drop in cap space + big TPE.
Mavs aren't in position to overpay for talent, they should trade for flawed talent and hope Luka/Kyrie handle them.

[Mr B]

Assuming Kawhi is available, is he worth the gamble?

Obviously I want to eliminate the risk by parting with Irving and acquiring Kawhi.

Having Kawhi and Irving is wayyyyyy too much risk, which no team can afford to have.

I thought about that too. I don’t think I would want Kawhi. He misses way too much time. I’m not even sure how much he still wants to play. I would probably rather have Paul George than Kawhi and honestly even PG is injured too often. If I’m going to send Kyrie to the Clippers I would probably ask for Covington, Mann, and Zubac. We wouldn’t be getting a star back but those three guys would vastly improve our defense and rebounding.

[Mike lorenzo]

A 2 Draft picks:

when you drop down to take Gregory Jackson a 6'9 SF/PF possibly 6'10 and still growing. now w an extra pick and you can draft Zach Edey. Both are matchup nightmares and versatile enough to defend and score. Jackson can play 2 positions and maybe center as well and if Zach is the real deal no center in the league can stop him in the paint.

Green at SF and Greg at PF = some nice defense.
B Free agents: MLE and a BAE possibly and so who would you add in free agency that would take such sum?

Plumlee and Naz Reid both can play center and Naz is a big body that can bang shoot 3's and be a decent PF. If Plumlee is not a fit maybe another decent SF/PF 6'8 or larger.

C Undrafted free agent rookies: Watch for Juan Nunez best PG in Europe supposedly at 6'4

D Trades: Using the expiring contracts of Bertans and Bullock gives the mavs plenty of salary to grab something we can use from teams wanting to shrink salary cap and the best time for that is at the TDL after you see what the new pieces can do or not do. Then you know what the team still needs help with.

Pretty sure this is a contender and with that much youth the prospects of creating a contender that could last for years is worth the addition of talent from the draft.

The gift of youth is not something you can buy in free agency and it is the key to creating a contender with talent on much lower cost salaries that give you a chance to add players who otherwise would cause serious cap problems. THe draft is the only right use for the 10th pick if you can use it to fill one or 2 holes. Eventually Jackson would be the starter and lead defender at SF and Zach is a future 20-13 guy that blocks and alters tons of shots.

I can see some teams getting to the point they are going to blow things up and when that happens we just need to add one of those guys they decide is too expensive to keep around on a rebuilding team. These 2 rookies are looking great on you tube and I would love to see both end up here but with our expiring contracts there to help out if they should take a little longer to fit into the league that serves as an insurance policy that gives us the luxury to make a correction and get the team more help at the TDL so its really not that big of a gamble at all.

With better defense and bigs we are a perennial contender but you have one 30 something on the team now and we need to plan for his replacement eventually because nobody plays forever and if we can develop 2 more rookies into starters that will get us to the next level and then some.

$27 MILLION in salary shedding Insurance is there to be traded for at the TDL
NAZ and Maybe PLUMLEE is a little more insurance to provide the role players that can step in as needed when the rookies struggle. Zach is not one to engage in stupid rookie fouls and getting in foul trouble, not a problem, the stats show this proclivity to avoid foul trouble in his time on the court and that is usually what keeps a rookie big men glued to the bench so that makes him a lot more ready to step on an NBA court IMHO.

Between all our options we have a lot of talent to target in free agency the draft and via trades at the TDL so we are looking like we can take a risk on a potential generational big man talent at 7'4.

Jackson very good prospect but super raw..I don't think he'll be a contributor next year at all..Do you think Zach will play in the current NBA?don't you know a Boban project?...wouldn't want anything to do with Plumlee being a good player but fits even worse than Mcgee in our defensive system in my opinion..Naz Reid out of our range, I think if he takes MLE Wolves will keep him..I don't see anything too interesting for us in FA.. Maybe T.Brown if the Lakers don't keep him (I doubt they can).. Thybulle,Aaron Wiggins,DJJr,Balde Diop,Drummond?Crowder?..some decent bank guys..don't see much else

[arkuo]

If sheeet hits the fan, I'd say Mavs will sign and trade Kyrie to the Clippers for Russell Westbrook as a worst case option.

[BliscoSantos]

How about a trade with the Pistons...Josh Green for Isaiah Stewart...Green is ok,he showed some promise but he's not a wing ,he's 6.5,he's a SG and I prefer Hardy...yes Green is better on D,but Just because he hustles ,he's really not that great of a defender,he Just tries harder than most...and Mavs could use some tougnes under the basket...Stewart could be a Draymond type Player(without setting up the ofense)

[daoneandonly]

How about a trade with the Pistons...Josh Green for Isaiah Stewart...Green is ok,he showed some promise but he's not a wing ,he's 6.5,he's a SG and I prefer Hardy...yes Green is better on D,but Just because he hustles ,he's really not that great of a defender,he Just tries harder than most...and Mavs could use some tougnes under the basket...Stewart could be a Draymond type Player(without setting up the ofense)

I would definitley do it, not sure Detroit would as they have Ivy and Cunningham, but love Stewart's attitude and intangibles. Green is replacebale and as you meentioned, Hardy can probably do much of that

[BliscoSantos]

Detroit has Wiseman and Duren at C(Both Young,need playing time)...Bagley is a PF as is Bogdanovic (now that he's older...if they draft top3 options are Wembenyama or Miller,Scoot doesn't make sense since they have Ivey and Cade...maybe they trade down if they select third and Wemby and Miller are gone...but if they get lucky and get Wemby they'll have too many big men

[BliscoSantos]

Just watching Euroleague quarterfinals...Sasha vezenkov is a beast..wish the Mavs could get rights from the Kings for him...hell, I'd give up Maxi for him

[Mike lorenzo]

Detroit has Wiseman and Duren at C(Both Young,need playing time)...Bagley is a PF as is Bogdanovic (now that he's older...if they draft top3 options are Wembenyama or Miller,Scoot doesn't make sense since they have Ivey and Cade...maybe they trade down if they select third and Wemby and Miller are gone...but if they get lucky and get Wemby they'll have too many big men

Wemby doesn't play like a 5...in my opinion he's more similar to KD than to any player in the NBA...a hybrid between KD and KP maybe... I want to say that I think he can play perfectly and in fact he will do it together with a more traditional and strong big man.although I admit that I would be tempted to send them the 10 for Duren ... I would try Claxton first

[Maverick41]

Continuing my Jarrett Allen trade scenarios:

DAL Receives: J. Allen
BRK Receives: Bertans + #10 pick from DAL
CLE Receives: DFS + Kleber + #21 + #22 + Future FRP swap with DAL

DAL finally gets a legitimate big that is still young and can Luka's PnR man for several years to come. He also went to the University of Texas so that's a + for us.

BRK moves up in the draft and continues to accumulate assets to either rebuild or trade for a star.

CLE gets 2 solid role players that fit really well with their roster. They both likely play closing minutes with CLE as opposed to their current roster where they usually sit one of Mobley or Allen at end of games. They get 2 FRPs to get some young, cost controlled players. And a potential swap in the future that can be very valuable if DAL continues to screw up.

[Teffer10]

Continuing my Jarrett Allen trade scenarios:

DAL Receives: J. Allen
BRK Receives: Bertans + #10 pick from DAL
CLE Receives: DFS + Kleber + #21 + #22 + Future FRP swap with DAL

DAL finally gets a legitimate big that is still young and can Luka's PnR man for several years to come. He also went to the University of Texas so that's a + for us.

BRK moves up in the draft and continues to accumulate assets to either rebuild or trade for a star.

CLE gets 2 solid role players that fit really well with their roster. They both likely play closing minutes with CLE as opposed to their current roster where they usually sit one of Mobley or Allen at end of games. They get 2 FRPs to get some young, cost controlled players. And a potential swap in the future that can be very valuable if DAL continues to screw up.

Not bad...I'm not sure who would say no.

Cleveland would most likely do that deal.
Dallas should do that deal, though we'd have to find a replacement for Maxi.
Nets??? they might be the ones to say no. Maybe only send one of those picks (#21) plus #51 or a future 2nd rounder and I think the Cavs would still do it.