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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#621 » by sashaturiaf » Wed Apr 26, 2023 11:19 pm

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sashaturiaf wrote:I feel KD didn't really get out of 2nd gear in that series yet he still put up 28/7/7 on 50/40/90. His presence also opened up the floor so much for Booker and the others.

KD definitely is capable of more than this, and I think we will see that in the tougher matchups and nights where Book is off. This one was a feeling out series, get the others going and avoid injury against the reckless Clippers and Russ who was headhunting him. Mission accomplished.


What worried me a little bit was seeing how often he was unable to turn the corner on a defender when trying to get to the hoop. The Clips were bodying the hell out of him.


I do think he has lost half a step and this KD is not someone you want initiating offense 30 ft from the hoop, he's just too turnover prone from there and it wasn't really his game in the first place. The Celtics made his life hell preying on that in last year's playoffs.

For us its not an issue since KD is the 3rd ballhandler and even the version we got in the clippers series as the most overqualified floorspacer ever was effective.

Can he still be the guy that wills himself to 40 in high stakes games like he did against the Bucks? We haven't seen that KD in a while but I'll say yes, hes not someone who likes to force shots but can do it if the occasion calls for it. First round against an overmatched opponent is not it.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#622 » by Saberestar » Fri Apr 28, 2023 7:06 pm

Kevin Durant and Nike have agreed to a lifetime deal.

KD joins Michael Jordan and LeBron James as the only other basketball athletes with a lifetime deal.

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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#623 » by lilfishi22 » Sat Apr 29, 2023 6:27 am

Am I the only who don't see KD as very marketable? I dunno what his shoe sale figures look like but I wouldn't put him alongside Jordan and Lebron as a Nike lifetime athlete
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#624 » by kennydorglas » Sat Apr 29, 2023 9:52 am

lilfishi22 wrote:Am I the only who don't see KD as very marketable? I dunno what his shoe sale figures look like but I wouldn't put him alongside Jordan and Lebron as a Nike lifetime athlete


Its Nike just covering all his bases tbh.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#625 » by Calvin Klein » Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:21 pm

Best scorer of all time is MJ, no contest.
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Post#626 » by Biff » Wed May 3, 2023 7:50 pm

This is going to end up as the worst trade in Suns history. We're either losing in 4 or 5 and I doubt the outcome would have been any different/worse with Mikal and Cam (plus we'd still have those FOUR 1st rounders). KD looks like he's on major decline. He looked just okay against the Clippers and he has been atrocious against the Nuggets. Turnover machine game 1 + bricklayer in game 2. Blah.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#627 » by spanishninja » Wed May 3, 2023 8:04 pm

Biff wrote:This is going to end up as the worst trade in Suns history. We're either losing in 4 or 5 and I doubt the outcome would have been any different/worse with Mikal and Cam (plus we'd still have those FOUR 1st rounders). KD looks like he's on major decline. He looked just okay against the Clippers and he has been atrocious against the Nuggets. Turnover machine game 1 + bricklayer in game 2. Blah.


counterpoints:

- JJ would inevitable waste those picks with poor selections anyway
- Mikal and Cam remain unproven as playoff performers
- we likely would have lost Cam anyway to FA
- KD has still played less than 20 games for us.
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Post#628 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 4, 2023 11:12 pm

I think we would have been strong in the playoffs with just getting something for Jae, though I know people have heard me mention that.

I'm 100% sure we would have kept Cam. Or 98%.

The draft picks..who know...the main thing our team needs is a new scouting dept and draft decision maker.

I don't know that we will axe JJ..won't be surprised if we bring in a GM and just keep JJ as President...and maybe sign Nate McMillan as asst head coach and keep Monty.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#629 » by SunsRback4Good » Fri May 5, 2023 10:53 am

bwgood77 wrote:I think we would have been strong in the playoffs with just getting something for Jae, though I know people have heard me mention that.

I'm 100% sure we would have kept Cam. Or 98%.

The draft picks..who know...the main thing our team needs is a new scouting dept and draft decision maker.

I don't know that we will axe JJ..won't be surprised if we bring in a GM and just keep JJ as President...and maybe sign Nate McMillan as asst head coach and keep Monty.


Nobody knows but one thing is certain, someone will be canned in the off-season. I’ll be very surprised to see Ayton here and possibly Monty as well. Chris Paul needs to come off the bench because his fragile body can’t survive 30+ minutes of hard grueling NBA games. Heck JJ might be canned too for not reconstructing the roster better in previous few seasons where we needed a change to be back to the finals. Ishbia is the deciding factor he can clean house in an instant. We’ve already seen him desperately deal Mikal & CamJ for KD.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#630 » by lilfishi22 » Sat May 6, 2023 8:21 am

If two championship level coaches got canned in the span of a few weeks, there's no way Monty survive
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Post#631 » by darealjuice » Sat May 6, 2023 2:02 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:If two championship level coaches got canned in the span of a few weeks, there's no way Monty survive


Idk there's some context to those situations. Nurse seemed like he was also looking for his way out. Bucks fans have been calling for Bud's head for years, and they just lost 4-1 to the 8 seed. Monty might get fired, but I'd be a little surprised unless we get the doors blown off the rest of the series. Dude deserves a year not having to deal with NoMotivAyton lol.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#632 » by lilfishi22 » Sun May 7, 2023 1:34 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:If two championship level coaches got canned in the span of a few weeks, there's no way Monty survive


Idk there's some context to those situations. Nurse seemed like he was also looking for his way out. Bucks fans have been calling for Bud's head for years, and they just lost 4-1 to the 8 seed. Monty might get fired, but I'd be a little surprised unless we get the doors blown off the rest of the series. Dude deserves a year not having to deal with NoMotivAyton lol.

A small but loud contingent of Suns fans has been calling for his job since he was hired and it's compounded even during the Finals run. I do think we've seen his ceiling as a coach though. I just don't think he's innovative or willing enough to make anything more than subtle changes which I worry will be what limits him as a championship level coach.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#633 » by darealjuice » Sun May 7, 2023 2:32 am

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lilfishi22 wrote:If two championship level coaches got canned in the span of a few weeks, there's no way Monty survive


Idk there's some context to those situations. Nurse seemed like he was also looking for his way out. Bucks fans have been calling for Bud's head for years, and they just lost 4-1 to the 8 seed. Monty might get fired, but I'd be a little surprised unless we get the doors blown off the rest of the series. Dude deserves a year not having to deal with NoMotivAyton lol.

A small but loud contingent of Suns fans has been calling for his job since he was hired and it's compounded even during the Finals run. I do think we've seen his ceiling as a coach though. I just don't think he's innovative or willing enough to make anything more than subtle changes which I worry will be what limits him as a championship level coach.


Small but loud groups of fans bitch about everything in every fan base, the noise around Bud went far further than angst on social media and realgm. We're probably not getting a positive reaction out of Booker or KD if Monty is canned either.

I don't think he's had a roster with flexibility to make significant adjustments in recent years. Ever since Dario got hurt we've had no actual power forwards and no big men that can play on the perimeter, we've lost all of our wing depth, Cam Payne forgot how basketball/got scouted out, and we've filled out our roster with guys like Shamet, Okogie, Craig, Lee, Ross, and Warren that wouldn't sniff the court on any other playoff teams. All while it being anyone's guess which Deandre Ayton is going to show up on a given night.

Frankly, I have a hard time being sold on fans knowing if Monty is "innovative" or not, it's not like have seen the playbook or know what's said in timeouts. Literally every team runs the similar sets these days, it's all execution. When we don't get caught up playing matchups, move the ball, and run the .5 offense that he preaches our offense runs extremely smoothly. Our defense has become very good under him despite guys like Booker and Ayton being known negatives on that end when he got here. We've consistently been top 10 on both ends with him. I think he's done a lot to make this team better that gets overlooked because people don't like Landry Shamet, and I'm not sold the grass is going to be greener.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#634 » by bwgood77 » Sun May 7, 2023 2:44 am

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darealjuice wrote:
Idk there's some context to those situations. Nurse seemed like he was also looking for his way out. Bucks fans have been calling for Bud's head for years, and they just lost 4-1 to the 8 seed. Monty might get fired, but I'd be a little surprised unless we get the doors blown off the rest of the series. Dude deserves a year not having to deal with NoMotivAyton lol.

A small but loud contingent of Suns fans has been calling for his job since he was hired and it's compounded even during the Finals run. I do think we've seen his ceiling as a coach though. I just don't think he's innovative or willing enough to make anything more than subtle changes which I worry will be what limits him as a championship level coach.


Small but loud groups of fans bitch about everything in every fan base, the noise around Bud went far further than angst on social media and realgm. We're probably not getting a positive reaction out of Booker or KD if Monty is canned either.

I don't think he's had a roster with flexibility to make significant adjustments in recent years. Ever since Dario got hurt we've had no actual power forwards and no big men that can play on the perimeter, we've lost all of our wing depth, Cam Payne forgot how basketball/got scouted out, and we've filled out our roster with guys like Shamet, Okogie, Craig, Lee, Ross, and Warren that wouldn't sniff the court on any other playoff teams. All while it being anyone's guess which Deandre Ayton is going to show up on a given night.

Frankly, I have a hard time being sold on fans knowing if Monty is "innovative" or not, it's not like have seen the playbook or know what's said in timeouts. Literally every team runs the similar sets these days, it's all execution. When we don't get caught up playing matchups, move the ball, and run the .5 offense that he preaches our offense runs extremely smoothly. Our defense has become very good under him despite guys like Booker and Ayton being known negatives on that end when he got here. We've consistently been top 10 on both ends with him. I think he's done a lot to make this team better that gets overlooked because people don't like Landry Shamet, and I'm not sold the grass is going to be greener.


Yeah, it really often happens when a coach does really well with a team and overachieves. The culture change he brought instantly changed everything and we became good and when we got Paul, great. Now I do give a lot of that credit to Paul, but Monty deserves credit too.

But if they lose a playoff series, no matter who they are playing, the Bucks who were like the best team in the NBA for 3 years, or lose a couple road games to the 1 seeded Nuggets, they call for the coach's head.

Same thing happened with D'Antoni who probably also often overachieved with a team and the actual talent many years, but would then lose in the playoffs, simply to a superior team (though without suspensions and Donaghy in 2007, probably win it all that year), but fans hated him too and wanted him gone...and thought we needed to focus on defense. So Kerr decides to bring in a coach to focus on defense, Porter, and they players all hate him and the team looks awful because they were built to run and to focus more on offense.

So we end up going back to D'Antoni's top assistant in Gentry who just ran the same offense, and get back to the WCF again.
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Post#635 » by Saberestar » Mon May 8, 2023 5:06 pm

This was a tremendous and-one.

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Post#636 » by AtheJ415 » Wed May 10, 2023 4:52 am

KD has been an abject disaster in this series and we are wasting Book being literally the greatest player of all time as a result. He better play well in game 6 and 7 or drag us to a title next year or MY GOD, WHAT A BAD TRADE
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Post#637 » by Saberestar » Wed May 10, 2023 9:58 am

AtheJ415 wrote:KD has been an abject disaster in this series and we are wasting Book being literally the greatest player of all time as a result. He better play well in game 6 and 7 or drag us to a title next year or MY GOD, WHAT A BAD TRADE

I understand the frustration after a loss in the playoffs but there is no need to go that far with hyperboles saying that KD "has been an abject disaster" lol. Come on.
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Post#638 » by spanishninja » Wed May 10, 2023 4:02 pm

Saberestar wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:KD has been an abject disaster in this series and we are wasting Book being literally the greatest player of all time as a result. He better play well in game 6 and 7 or drag us to a title next year or MY GOD, WHAT A BAD TRADE

I understand the frustration after a loss in the playoffs but there is no need to go that far with hyperboles saying that KD "has been an abject disaster" lol. Come on.


it's all relative. compared to what we paid for him and what we need him for, it's been disastrous indeed. He can't miss so many shots AND turn the ball over so many times in the same game, and he's done that on several occasions now.
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Post#639 » by AtheJ415 » Wed May 10, 2023 10:45 pm

Saberestar wrote:
AtheJ415 wrote:KD has been an abject disaster in this series and we are wasting Book being literally the greatest player of all time as a result. He better play well in game 6 and 7 or drag us to a title next year or MY GOD, WHAT A BAD TRADE

I understand the frustration after a loss in the playoffs but there is no need to go that far with hyperboles saying that KD "has been an abject disaster" lol. Come on.


Glad to see you are personally a fan of a guy starting every game 1-8 with 3 or 4 live ball turnovers to get us in a deep hole while pouting and complaining and missing defensive rotations.

He has been a DISASTER. He has hurt us as much as any player in this series. He cannot shoot a crazy high volume while making 30% of his shots and turning it over left and right. His overall decision-making has just SUCKED. He is taking incredibly contested quick long 2s with 14 seconds left on the clock on repeat, not making them, falling down, then lolligaging back down the court while complaining to the ref and giving up open 3s.

Book has saved his ass all series. He has had literally 1 good game, but Book's greatness and lazy fans looking at raw box score numbers have hidden it. He is most responsible for the predicament we are in right now and he needs to look in the mirror and grow up. His shot selection and turnovers have cost us this series.
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Post#640 » by WeekapaugGroove » Wed May 10, 2023 11:05 pm

It's funny I don't feel like KD has been his best this postseason but he's currently 5th overall in this metric. Kind of a testiment to how good the dude is when that's considered disappointing.

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