Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[Wonka]

After chewing on this for a few hours I'm starting to think Bud is back. I'm not advocating it, I'm aboard the new coach train, I just think they'll keep him.

After Giannis' postgame comments about the lack of adjustments on Jimmy Butler I'd find it hard for them to justify keeping Bud around.

What exactly did he say? Haven’t been able to watch yet.

[chonestown]

Looking at his combined time with the Hawks and Bucks, it has to be clear Bud is not a postseason coach. It's the biggest, most practical move that can be made with this roster. He's a good coach but he's better suited as a turn-around guy than the person who puts a team over the top.

Can't say I'm excited about Mark Jackson bringing his prayer circle to the GLAZ, but I'll come around.

[Hoopz Afrik]

After chewing on this for a few hours I'm starting to think Bud is back. I'm not advocating it, I'm aboard the new coach train, I just think they'll keep him.

After Giannis' postgame comments about the lack of adjustments on Jimmy Butler I'd find it hard for them to justify keeping Bud around.

What exactly did he say? Haven’t been able to watch yet.

They asked him if he wanted to guard Jimmy more and his response was as follows:

"Yes. Out of respect, you gotta let the coach make that adjustments. We have our best defender on him. There are conversations with Jrue. Whenever he gets tired I can take him. He's so competitive, he plays so hard, he wants to take the challenge but at the ende of the day I wish I could guard him more."

I know it doesn't really seem like a lot but Giannis notices what we all notice in that Bud isn't flexible/malleable with his in-game adjustments even when the situation clearly calls for it.

[Ron Swanson]

You guys realize that we're not "tearing it down" right? You have two options with the roster right now:

1) Run the Core-4 back for one more season (Giannis, Jrue, Middleton, Brook) and just re-tool the rest of the roster (Bobby, Pat, Grayson trades).

2) Hard re-tool to gain assets for a blockbuster trade package (Jrue and/or Middleton trade).

I mean, maybe you go halfway and target someone like Beal? But we're absolutely not tearing it down around Giannis just for draft picks and young players. You may as well just trade Giannis now because your championship window in his last physical prime years (29-32) is slammed shut.

[DingleJerry]

IF you can' pull off a Jrue/KM for a legit lead G star trade. You can cobble together enough salary with Bobby/Pat to get to the 16-18 mil range for younger, flawed, second tier guards in the Sexton/Rozier type area. Add one of those guys who can shoot/dribble to the core 4 and it's a significant change/improvement that could help in the biggest weakness. Then you have to get some actual structure on half court O and I think a big part of that means using giannis as the screener way more.

[msiris]

Would be stupid to run it back.

[Siefer]

The front office shouldn't be immune from criticism. I don't think PJ is entirely on Horst, but that was a devastating **** up. Being unable or unwilling to move Bobby when his value was high is another bummer. Oh, and my kingdom for an actual PG.

[AussieBuck]

Burn it down, make a panic trade, whatever, if you can't win with on of the 10 best guys ever you're doing it wrong and need to stop doing that thing you're doing dot in my opinion

[Antinomy]

I’m not saying we need to blow it up next season…

But sometimes you need a “down year”.

[tydett]

You may as well just trade Giannis now because your championship window in his last physical prime years (29-32) is slammed shut.

I do think this is a good point, but also worth considering is that Giannis can transition to career preservation mode if we took the incredibly risky, unlikely opportunity to get young. Giannis could be more of a Kareem long term, focusing on developing his 8-15 foot game while avoiding the punishment of his current playstyle, hopefully extending his career and allowing the Bucks to develop a core that doesn't have Giannis as the focal point, but as a super duper defensive vet who teaches the young guys how to win.

*the above is a thought exercise of a disappointed, sad fan - please don't take super seriously.

[TroyD92]

Giannis needs to develop some kind of offensive game besides what he normally does. He should be working on developing his back to the basket game. Feel like I've been saying this for 5 years now.

[packer396]

After this loss you HAVE to make some changes. I just think Horst/Ownership think Bud will be an easier change than overhauling the entire roster, so we will basically run it back with a different coach next season

[German Athens]

If there are better options than Nurse I’m certainly open to it, I’d love to hear other names given what’s at stake.

Raptors fans are bat **** insane and I’m not putting too much weight on what they say tbqh. That roster this season was thin as hell, insanely top heavy and the top end talent isn’t even that good, and they played the majority of the season without a real center. Nurse has his warts for sure, I’m not saying he’d be a home run hire by any stretch but he’s an infinitely better game manager/in game tactician than Bud, who is truly one of the worst in that regard in the playoffs that I’ve ever seen among the coaches who are considered “good”.

Also, the Raptors the season after Kawhi bounced went 53-19 (60 win pace over 82 games) and were a couple bounces away from the ECF. I’m not buying the “Kawhi carried him” narrative at all.

I think Ty Lue will probably become available, and I’d have him at the top of the list.

[chonestown]

If there are better options than Nurse I’m certainly open to it, I’d love to hear other names given what’s at stake.

Raptors fans are bat **** insane and I’m not putting too much weight on what they say tbqh. That roster this season was thin as hell, insanely top heavy and the top end talent isn’t even that good, and they played the majority of the season without a real center. Nurse has his warts for sure, I’m not saying he’d be a home run hire by any stretch but he’s an infinitely better game manager/in game tactician than Bud, who is truly one of the worst in that regard in the playoffs that I’ve ever seen among the coaches who are considered “good”.

Also, the Raptors the season after Kawhi bounced went 53-19 (60 win pace over 82 games) and were a couple bounces away from the ECF. I’m not buying the “Kawhi carried him” narrative at all.

I think Ty Lue will probably become available, and I’d have him at the top of the list.

Me too.

[Ron Swanson]

You may as well just trade Giannis now because your championship window in his last physical prime years (29-32) is slammed shut.

I do think this is a good point, but also worth considering is that Giannis can transition to career preservation mode if we took the incredibly risky, unlikely opportunity to get young. Giannis could be more of a Kareem long term, focusing on developing his 8-15 foot game while avoiding the punishment of his current playstyle, hopefully extending his career and allowing the Bucks to develop a core that doesn't have Giannis as the focal point, but as a super duper defensive vet who teaches the young guys how to win.

*the above is a thought exercise of a disappointed, sad fan - please don't take super seriously.

And this to me in combination with the hope that developing a younger core before Giannis ages out of his physical prime, is a pipe dream. Sorry, but Giannis kind of is who he is at this point too. Which you know, "best player in the world" when healthy is still the best starting point any franchise could ask for. But I think we need to abandon this dream of him ever developing a consistent jumper or touch around the basket/mid-range. He's just not that guy and it's fine. But that means you can't really afford to go away from what he does best if you wanna win another championship.

[ABucksFan]

Anyone see Buds interview of Nehm asking him about taking a timeout. He said "Yeah, we need to take a timeout there" lol crazy. Appreciate everything Bud, but it's time to move on.

[Profound23]

After this loss you HAVE to make some changes. I just think Horst/Ownership think Bud will be an easier change than overhauling the entire roster, so we will basically run it back with a different coach next season

I think this loss and all of the injuries this year might teach him that. If not, then he will never develop that part of his game which is depressing because he will decline quickly.

[rayallenscalves]

I know Giannis has been getting a lot of credit around his answer to Nehm's question around failure. I think it's a bunch of horse poop. He's trying to be all philosophical. Bottom line: You failed, Bud failed, the whole team failed. This was not "a step." This was a huge colossal failure.

[German Athens]

I’m not saying we need to blow it up next season…

But sometimes you need a “down year”.

What exactly does a down year solve for us next season? The pelicans own a pick swap with us.

[Profound23]

I know Giannis has been getting a lot of credit around his answer to Nehm's question around failure. I think it's a bunch of horse poop. He's trying to be all philosophical. Bottom line: You failed, Bud failed, the whole team failed. This was not "a step." This was a huge colossal failure.

There are two ways to look at it. I understand his point. We all strive for the best, but not being the best doesn't always mean failure.