Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[Be Here Now]

I think pp25 was onto something with his CLE, POR, MKE 3 way suggestion. You have all the makings of a fit. The Blazer's competitive window has closed and the Bucks & Cavs just flamed out in round 1 in spectacular fashion, so you'd think they'll be desperate to shake it up. Not to mention that Dame has said he'd like to play with Giannis.

Dame is obviously worth more than Jrue, but Dame and Mitchell don't work together. Mitchell and Jrue work much better together due to Jrue's size. CLE has the young assets to potentially get this deal done, but it does probably require Dame to demand a trade.

I hadn't really thought of this but if Cleveland is willing to part with Garland to pair Jrue with Mitchell, I'm not seeing why we wouldn't just cut out Portland and take Garland for ourselves.

Our window is now and Dame is the ball handler/scorer you need for the playoffs. We caught lightning in a bottle with Mids turning into that guy in 2021 but over the 2018-2023 period he has usually not been that guy.

No chance in hell that Dame passes the ball to Grayson last night just to run out the clock.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Too much frustration to read through everything and rip open this anger.......but Bud has to go.

List of fireable offenses from this series alone:
1.) not giving the ball to Brook enough.....Brook was getting whatever he wanted and was killing the Heat, but Bud just couldn't adapt over 5 games. ZERO shots in the last 16:19 of the game for Brook last night, while your half court is TOTALLY floundering and literally can't make a basket in the 4th quarter.

2.) not calling a timeout last night at the end of regulation to advance the ball and draw up a play...and especially at the last possession in OT for the same reason. I just cannot understand it.


Hope you guys have a great summer

[Antinomy]

The funny thing is that Bud ran a really innovative offense in Atlanta.

He’s the probably the architect of the modern 5 out offense.

I don’t know what the hell happened I’m the past year.

[paulpressey25]

I hadn't really thought of this but if Cleveland is willing to part with Garland to pair Jrue with Mitchell, I'm not seeing why we wouldn't just cut out Portland and take Garland for ourselves.

I'm not saying Cleveland does it, but I'd offer Jrue + assets for Garland. Dan Gilbert is not a patient man. He might consider it.

Had thought about Jrue/Midds for Garland/LeVert, but I think we need something else coming back. We'd have to fill out a lot of roster.

[FrieAaron]

You guys still on your Kyrie **** are absolutely insane. Please, just stop.

Kyrie has now not worked out on 3 straight teams who were trying to contend. Dallas wasn't his fault much, but still I don't love the idea. It's easy to see where it's coming from, though. We do badly need a ball handler who can create for himself and others.

[paulpressey25]

We have seen the same thing the last couple of years. We have too many guys who are unplayable in the playoffs. So its not just the coach.

This is the conundrum we have with Giannis. Everyone screams "Why can't you win titles with the best player in the league!?!?"

Well, the answer is that his offensive limitations with no jump shot differentiate him from literally every other NBA superstar of the last 30-years, save for Shaq. Giannis can't take over games offensively against great playoff teams like Durant, Butler, Steph, etc. can.

Now is he better than those guys on defense? Of course. But those other superstar teams already have defensive stoppers like Draymond, so they don't need Steph or Durant to control the defense as well.

[aboveAverage]

I think Rozier might be a realistic option and a player who still has some room to improve.

[paulpressey25]

I think Rozier might be a realistic option and a player who still has some room to improve.

Agreed. This is buy low guy that might help. But he's still going to cost Grayson (or Pat) and Bobby I think. Which is ok.

[Hoopz Afrik]

Fire Bud & bring in Nurse or Lue, sign and trade Khris for Kyrie, move Jrue to 2, resign Brook for discount hopefully, pray Beauchamp is ready to contribute next year

idk

Honest question, where is all the Ty Lue smoke coming from? The Clippers would be insane to let him walk.

[packer396]

I hadn't really thought of this but if Cleveland is willing to part with Garland to pair Jrue with Mitchell, I'm not seeing why we wouldn't just cut out Portland and take Garland for ourselves.

I'm not saying Cleveland does it, but I'd offer Jrue + assets for Garland. Dan Gilbert is not a patient man. He might consider it.

Had thought about Jrue/Midds for Garland/LeVert, but I think we need something else coming back. We'd have to fill out a lot of roster.

This is the sort of trade Horst has to be pursuing. Simmons had Jrue, CJ, Mitchell, and Garland all in the same range in his trade value rankings (20-23 I think). If there is any way to get younger players for anyone but Giannis we have to take it

[JayMKE]

You guys still on your Kyrie **** are absolutely insane. Please, just stop.

The Bucks don't have the assets for the guys you actually want, other teams have TVs and saw everything from Khris & Jrue too. Its a calculated risk but I don't see how the Bucks get a player of that quality otherwise, I'd be worried about Kyrie missing games but its not like we didn't load management Khris the entire season this year and prospects of staying healthy going forward seem slim. The idea that the lovable angel Damian Lillard is going to force a trade to Milwaukee and ONLY Milwaukee has always been quite frankly insane, like he's not going to be interested playing for a contender in Miami or LA. Kyrie sure af isn't passing that ball to Grayson at the end.

[fansinceforever]

Would be stupid to run it back.

Extremely. This team requires a lot more than a retool around the core 4.

[packer396]

List of 25M+ guys who could be available:
-LaVine
-Trae Young
-KAT
-Porzingis
-Ingram
-Garland
-Zion (lol)
-Poole (please no)
-DeRozan
-Randle
-RJ Barrett

Not really sure any of these guys are "exciting" but not sure what else you can do. Will be interesting if the F.O. tries to go younger or will double down on age and go for it again next season

[FrieAaron]

Notable FA point guards if we can't make a deal happen:

Westbrook, Irving, D'lo, FVV

Cheap options:

Nunn, Schroder, Dennis Smith Jr., Ntilikina

[Serge28]

I need the announcement of Bud getting fired. I'm not watching another Bucks game that he coaches. 100% serious.

[DingleJerry]

Fire Bud & bring in Nurse or Lue, sign and trade Khris for Kyrie, move Jrue to 2, resign Brook for discount hopefully, pray Beauchamp is ready to contribute next year

idk

Honest question, where is all the Ty Lue smoke coming from? The Clippers would be insane to let him walk.

Did you see the insder Clippers leak stuff in the last couple days? Clips sound like a disaster behind the scenes and he's at odds with management. So good chance he's out, but based on the stuff that came out I probably wouldn't want anything to do with him either. He's never been a guy on my radar even before this though.

[FrieAaron]

Not really sure any of these guys are "exciting" but not sure what else you can do. Will be interesting if the F.O. tries to go younger or will double down on age and go for it again next season

I think Porzingis and Giannis have a ton of potential to be a supercharged Brook/Giannis if he becomes undervalued enough and we lose Brook. We need some ball handlers, though.

[Ron Swanson]

Not gonna even entertain an argument where one calls any alternative suggestion insane and then immediately pivots to advocate for Kyrie. Nope, just like Kyrie and every single locker room that he inevitably nukes, it defies rational logic.

[BucksRule18]

The 2 positives I have for Nurse is that the only year he had a legitimate superstar on his team, he won the chip. Secondly, unlike Bud, he actually changed strategies on how to guard Giannis after 2 games, which completely changed the course of the series.

[jschligs]

Giannis and Brook, my only untouchables. At the absolute least Bud has to go. But wouldn't mind sending out Jrue, Khris, Bobby, Pat, the whole damn squad otherwise.