2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[BoyzNTheHood]

Really like Colby if we trade down. Going to be a sleeper. Just knows how to play on both ends

Been saying from the start bro. He's going to be one of those guys a few years from now that people wonder how he went so low.

I guess he's a worse shooting Malcolm Brogdon. He should go 15-20.

Maybe Josh Hart

[Psubs]

Been saying from the start bro. He's going to be one of those guys a few years from now that people wonder how he went so low.

I guess he's a worse shooting Malcolm Brogdon. He should go 15-20.

Maybe Josh Hart

Hart is more of a SG/SF and elite rebounder. Colby is more of a SG/PG that is more of a playmaker. Colby over JHS though.

[LBJKB24MJ23]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

[mtcan]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

[Lord_Zedd]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

Sad that alone could salvage this entire season.

[Yallbecrazy]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

It's actually much higher than 1%...as they could be announced at 14.

[Psubs]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

Heck, when they didn't announce the Raptors at #8 and moved into the top 4, I was almost as happy as winning the championship.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I'm ready to not hear the Raptors in the first moments of the NBA lottery as they count backwards.

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

Heck, when they didn't announce the Raptors at #8 and moved into the top 4, I was almost as happy as winning the championship.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Why do some people think Masai would target a guy like Jett Howard when we already have Gary Trent Jr.? Like what is the appeal with Howard other than that he stands at 6'8 (which means nothing to me) I just do not understand why people think this kid is worth a lottery pick. Just like Gary he's a chucker who does little else to impact a game. At least I can understand someone arguing for Keyonte George who can create some space for himself off the bounce and can get to the rim and finish through contact but Howard is so clearly overhyped.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Jimmy Butler going full MJ shows what guys who rise to the occasion can do. We’ve seen the other side of the spectrum with Pascal and it isn’t pretty. I want a DOG!

[tdotrep2]

Jimmy Butler going full MJ shows what guys who rise to the occasion can do. We’ve seen the other side of the spectrum with Pascal and it isn’t pretty. I want a DOG!

the playoffs are where real guys shine, its easy to get numbers in the regular season when you got all the usage in the world with defensive quickly scouting you. its another when they formulate a game plan and you have to adjust, the guys with elite ability are always going to be able to take on different situations as opposed to guys to found a way to kind of game the system.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Jimmy Butler going full MJ shows what guys who rise to the occasion can do. We’ve seen the other side of the spectrum with Pascal and it isn’t pretty. I want a DOG!

the playoffs are where real guys shine, its easy to get numbers in the regular season when you got all the usage in the world with defensive quickly scouting you. its another when they formulate a game plan and you have to adjust, the guys with elite ability are always going to be able to take on different situations as opposed to guys to found a way to kind of game the system.

I don’t want anyone who folded in the tourney, or struggled against ranked competition

[Psubs]

Imagine the reaction if you don't hear the Raptors named at pick #13.

Yes...I know...1% chance at #1. lol

Heck, when they didn't announce the Raptors at #8 and moved into the top 4, I was almost as happy as winning the championship.

Let me explain! I guess since the Raptors were up 3-2 and had a lead, they were in the driver seat and you could see it. Also the end of the game took a bit of time to actually finish.

I guess it's like 2nd to the Kawhi shot to beat Philly. It's like 9-9-9-9 NOT #8! WOOOOOOOO

[Psubs]

Why do some people think Masai would target a guy like Jett Howard when we already have Gary Trent Jr.? Like what is the appeal with Howard other than that he stands at 6'8 (which means nothing to me) I just do not understand why people think this kid is worth a lottery pick. Just like Gary he's a chucker who does little else to impact a game. At least I can understand someone arguing for Keyonte George who can create some space for himself off the bounce and can get to the rim and finish through contact but Howard is so clearly overhyped.

Jimmy Butler was a well rounded 6'8 SF that was strong and had a triple-double at Marquette like Dwyane Wade. He played 3 years at Marquette. His career 3pt % is under 33%.

I think Sidy fits the profile of a Jimmy Butler. Just can he do it mentally.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Jimmy Butler going full MJ shows what guys who rise to the occasion can do. We’ve seen the other side of the spectrum with Pascal and it isn’t pretty. I want a DOG!

Meh, by 29 Jimmy had won 3 playoff rounds. By 26 Pascal had won, what, 6? No need to diminish a really good player just because Butler has been nothing but business after finally securing his bag. Pascal might not be the type to will a team to playoff upsets, but he's proven to be the type that can win 4 rounds. Let's get some load management for the guy. He played 500 more minutes than Butler this year while also missing a chunk of games with a groin strain.

[Dalek]

I have been doing a deeper dive into replacing Trent Jr., looking at who can shoot from outside, has the clutch shooting gene, and won't be a defensive liability. I am starting to buy into Julian Strawther.

/Movement shooting that is comparable to Jordan Hawkins, but he is 6'7
/19 three pointers deeper than 25 feet
/2 clutch game winners including the one to eliminate UCLA from the logo
/62% at the rim, good floater, high FTr at 32
/Excellent rebounder as a guard/forward 19.6% dreb
/Low DBPM at 0.9, but in watching the film he has quick feet on defense, much more switchable than Jett Howard
/strong handle for shot creation

The holy grail of upper classmen lotto picks is Jalen Williams who went lotto in 2022.

Strawther: 6'7 with a 6'10 wingspan; draft age:21
Williams: 6'5 with a 7'2 wingspan; draft age:21

Strawther / Williams

TS% .602 .601
EFG% .568 .562
3PA RATE .484 .248
FTA RATE .331 .330
PROJ NBA3 .372 .357

Swing factor is playmaking. Strawther isn't the passer that Williams is, but he does play well in pick and roll, and he rebounds better than Williams coming in. I think he is going to move up in the draft because of the premium on shooting and his range is NBA level. He also is a guy who wants the ball in clutch moments much like Williams.

[Psubs]

I have been doing a deeper dive into replacing Trent Jr., looking at who can shoot from outside, has the clutch shooting gene, and won't be a defensive liability. I am starting to buy into Julian Strawther.

/Movement shooting that is comparable to Jordan Hawkins, but he is 6'7
/19 three pointers deeper than 25 feet
/2 clutch game winners including the one to eliminate UCLA from the logo
/62% at the rim, good floater, high FTr at 32
/Excellent rebounder as a guard/forward 19.6% dreb
/Low DBPM at 0.9, but in watching the film he has quick feet on defense, much more switchable than Jett Howard
/strong handle for shot creation

The holy grail of upper classmen lotto picks is Jalen Williams who went lotto in 2022.

Strawther: 6'7 with a 6'10 wingspan; draft age:21
Williams: 6'5 with a 7'2 wingspan; draft age:21

Strawther / Williams

TS% .602 .601
EFG% .568 .562
3PA RATE .484 .248
FTA RATE .331 .330
PROJ NBA3 .372 .357

Swing factor is playmaking. Strawther isn't the passer that Williams is, but he does play well in pick and roll, and he rebounds better than Williams coming in. I think he is going to move up in the draft because of the premium on shooting and his range is NBA level. He also is a guy who wants the ball in clutch moments much like Williams.

Since his stock is early 2nd like Bryce McGowens, Max Christie, etc, I'd take Strawther with a pick from a trade for a late 1st.

Combo of Boucher, Precious (rookie contract), Flynn (rookie contract)?

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Why do some people think Masai would target a guy like Jett Howard when we already have Gary Trent Jr.? Like what is the appeal with Howard other than that he stands at 6'8 (which means nothing to me) I just do not understand why people think this kid is worth a lottery pick. Just like Gary he's a chucker who does little else to impact a game. At least I can understand someone arguing for Keyonte George who can create some space for himself off the bounce and can get to the rim and finish through contact but Howard is so clearly overhyped.

Jimmy Butler was a well rounded 6'8 SF that was strong and had a triple-double at Marquette like Dwyane Wade. He played 3 years at Marquette. His career 3pt % is under 33%.

I think Sidy fits the profile of a Jimmy Butler. Just can he do it mentally.

I don't believe in Cissoko as a shooter/scorer. That's why I think his ceiling goes more in line of a Draymond type player. Defensive impact, passing, transition play. I have questions about his position and fit schematically in the NBA.

[Ell Curry]

I think Masai sees us as having a solid top 6 and Koloko and Achiuwa promising frontcourt options, so I just don't see why we wouldn't take a 6th man style guard at #13 and hope he's Jordan Poole or Quickley.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I think Masai sees us as having a solid top 6 and Koloko and Achiuwa promising frontcourt options, so I just don't see why we wouldn't take a 6th man style guard at #13 and hope he's Jordan Poole or Quickley.

Same reason he took Poeltl when JV was 24. Both ended up being traded for championship pieces.