Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

JayMKE · Post #241 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:10 pm

Next offseason pairing Beauchamp with a couple FRP might be a decent enough package to bring back a core piece

Willie Colon · Post #242 » by **Willie Colon** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:14 pm

MissKhriddleton wrote:Pretty good chance we wasted Brook's last elite season. Could see him falling off a cliff fast. Who's the last 7 footer to play at a high level at 36 years old?

Hakeem fell off a cliff after his age 34 season.

Siefer · Post #243 » by **Siefer** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:16 pm

Okay, this is how I cope so bear with me:

- Wolves immediately make a ton more sense, get a prospect, and reload the draft cupboard.
- Blazers have to ship 2 picks, but get a younger star on a better contract, and an asset they can flip.
- Bucks get the dynamic copilot Giannis desperately needs, and I'll admit I'm just sneaking McDaniels in there.

Antinomy · Post #244 » by **Antinomy** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:18 pm

Serge28 wrote:

Read on Twitter

I think Bud threw in the towel mentally after the lead got blown.

I was screaming at my TV to call a timeout lol.

ABucksFan · Post #245 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:19 pm

Siefer wrote:Okay, this is how I cope so bear with me:

- Wolves immediately make a ton more sense, get a prospect, and reload the draft cupboard.
- Blazers have to ship 2 picks, but get a younger star on a better contract, and an asset they can flip.
- Bucks get the dynamic copilot Giannis desperately needs, and I'll admit I'm just sneaking McDaniels in there.

Giving Up Dame + Sharpe + 2 FRP's for KAT is kind of low key crazy. Sorry.

Willie Colon · Post #246 » by **Willie Colon** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:21 pm

Antinomy wrote:
Brewhoopfan wrote:It's really hard to evaluate Bucks players in the context of Bud's disaster of a playoff system. He made (past tense) it so easy for opposing teams to magnify every player's weaknesses with very little team concept on both ends. I'm not as down on Horst as some of you. Plenty of talent there for a competent coach.

He minimized Gianni’s’ role & made us susceptible to giving up easy baskets in the 15 foot range.

Are people aware that Butler DESTROYED us even worse than Durant did.

Like if you’re gonna go with the 1 on 1 approach, actually hold the other players down.

But nope, we nearly lost to Brooklyn because of it & we got embarrassed this year because of it.

Even if we had somehow gotten past the Heat and Knicks, Boston would've probably shattered the all time series score differential record in a sweep.

Antinomy · Post #247 » by **Antinomy** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:23 pm

WeekapaugGroove wrote:If Phoenix flames out I could see something like Ayton for Holliday being available. Ayton would absolutely drive the fan base insane but he'd also be an interesting young building block with Giannis.

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I don’t want a max salary spot being occupied by a Center in today’s NBA.

Especially when he’d inevitably get played off the floor due to lack of spacing with Giannis.

JayMKE · Post #248 » by **JayMKE** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:26 pm

Siefer wrote:Okay, this is how I cope so bear with me:

- Wolves immediately make a ton more sense, get a prospect, and reload the draft cupboard.
- Blazers have to ship 2 picks, but get a younger star on a better contract, and an asset they can flip.
- Bucks get the dynamic copilot Giannis desperately needs, and I'll admit I'm just sneaking McDaniels in there.

Sure we wouldn't rather have KAT in this scenario? Not a big fan but he's way younger and opens up options with Brook and Bobby. Things could go south for Lillard very quickly at his age.

Siefer · Post #249 » by **Siefer** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:28 pm

ABucksFan wrote:
Siefer wrote:Okay, this is how I cope so bear with me:

- Wolves immediately make a ton more sense, get a prospect, and reload the draft cupboard.
- Blazers have to ship 2 picks, but get a younger star on a better contract, and an asset they can flip.
- Bucks get the dynamic copilot Giannis desperately needs, and I'll admit I'm just sneaking McDaniels in there.

Giving Up Dame + Sharpe + 2 FRP's for KAT is kind of low key crazy. Sorry.

"Kind of low key crazy" is just a really funny phrase.

Couch Potato · Post #250 » by **Couch Potato** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:31 pm

I doubt we have a chance for DAME. Unless he flat out says he wants out. Next option is to trade Middleton and Bobby and 2029 first to Blazers for Grant and Simons. Then we still trade Holiday,Allen,Pat yet. Sign Lopez to a two year deal. Fire Bud. So it be moreless Simons,Grant,Giannis,Lopez. Besides whatever PG we get in the Holiday,Pat,Allen trade....

Post #251 » by **paulpressey25** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:33 pm

All for going big on the trades.

That said, here's my effort on something realistic.

Fire the entire staff - replace with either Nurse, Lue or Atkinson (don't care which one).

Sign Khris to 3/$90
Sign Brook to 3/$50
Keep Ingles

Trade Bobby and Pat to CHA for Rozier and two 2nds.

None of that requires huge contortions or pipe dreams. Not my first choice, but again, achievable.

FrieAaron · Post #252 » by **FrieAaron** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:35 pm

I believe Jrue has said in the past he prefers playing SG to PG. It's possible if we get a true PG next to him his shooting in the playoffs picks up with him being off the ball more.

ABucksFan · Post #253 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:35 pm

JayMKE wrote:
Siefer wrote:Okay, this is how I cope so bear with me:

- Wolves immediately make a ton more sense, get a prospect, and reload the draft cupboard.
- Blazers have to ship 2 picks, but get a younger star on a better contract, and an asset they can flip.
- Bucks get the dynamic copilot Giannis desperately needs, and I'll admit I'm just sneaking McDaniels in there.

Sure we wouldn't rather have KAT in this scenario? Not a big fan but he's way younger and opens up options with Brook and Bobby. Things could go south for Lillard very quickly at his age.

Honestly, not a bad idea. Jrue for KAT kind of makes sense for both teams.

MN signing Gobert (and stuck with him) sped their timeline up like crazy, clear it doesn't work with 2 bigs, getting Jrue + Edwards backcourt would be one of the best defensiviely. Only issue is if MN would have enough offense with that team.

KAT would take the Brook role + give us more firepower. We get a trad PG and we got something cooking.

Milbucks96 · Post #254 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:35 pm

I’m definitely in favor of keeping Khris on a team friendly deal. Don’t know if that’s realistic but I think he’s still a really good player even though I do think he’s done as an elite player. Still think he’s a plus starter in this league and we need his shot making.

Ron Swanson · Post #255 » by **Ron Swanson** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:36 pm

The whole team looked like they quit the second they saw yet another huge 4th quarter lead start to evaporate. I don't think I've ever seen a group of such veteran experienced, championship winning players just completely fold like that.

This is why I really don't know how to evaluate this squad. We know they tend to have these moments of fleeting *insert more appropriate word here* when the intensity ramps up, but there's no way looking at the last 6-playoff series before this that you conclude that this group as a whole is this bad in the clutch. Hell, they had the best W/L record in the entire league by a country mile in clutch situations this year (27-8). It almost defies logic how they could meltdown like this.

Baddy Chuck · Post #256 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:37 pm

Bobby for Monte Morris

ABucksFan · Post #257 » by **ABucksFan** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:39 pm

Khris 3/$90 would be huge, would do that in a heartbeat.

I'd sit down with Brook, NO BS, ask him his plans and how long he thinks he wants to continue playing. Workout a team friendly deal, Brook seems like the type of guy who'd be okay walking away. I think he has 1 good year left in him.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #258 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:39 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:The whole team looked like they quit the second they saw yet another huge 4th quarter lead start to evaporate. I don't think I've ever seen a group of such veteran experienced, championship winning players just completely fold like that.

This is why I really don't know how to evaluate this squad. We know they tend to have these moments of fleeting *insert more appropriate word here* when the intensity ramps up, but there's no way looking at the last 6-playoff series before this that you conclude that this group as a whole is this bad in the clutch. Hell, they had the best W/L record in the entire league by a country mile in clutch situations this year (27-8). It almost defies logic how they could meltdown like this.

It was truly some twilight zone ****. Like, the worst tanking teams in the league could not have duplicated some of the stuff we were doing in the 4th quarters of games 4 and 5.

emunney · Post #259 » by **emunney** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:43 pm

Now that the series is over if we can get Portis and Haslem in the ring, I'd like to see Bobby teach that dusty old man about Father Time.

Milbucks96 · Post #260 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu Apr 27, 2023 7:44 pm

Jrue’s problem come playoff time is simple. He’s not a good shooter, finisher, and not quick so when the defensive intensity inevitably ratchets up, he can’t score. I don’t think its a matchup, or energy thing, he’s just not a good offensive player when teams try really hard.

It’s funny that his best role on the team has been a facilitator instead of trying to be that third scorer. I don’t think a position change is the key, but a complete role change. It’s hard to change his role because he makes too much to allow another competent scorer to come in. I think a clarkson trade could’ve got us closer to that but that still might’ve not been enough to get out of this round