Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[blazza18]

The whole team looked like they quit the second they saw yet another huge 4th quarter lead start to evaporate. I don't think I've ever seen a group of such veteran experienced, championship winning players just completely fold like that.

This is why I really don't know how to evaluate this squad. We know they tend to have these moments of fleeting *insert more appropriate word here* when the intensity ramps up, but there's no way looking at the last 6-playoff series before this that you conclude that this group as a whole is this bad in the clutch. Hell, they had the best W/L record in the entire league by a country mile in clutch situations this year (27-8). It almost defies logic how they could meltdown like this.

Their clutch net rating was averge-ish though. Jrue and Brook were pretty sick in close games and the defence carried as well. We did fall apart a few times (Chicago/Toronto/Philly) that teased what was to come. Giannis in the clutch this season was terrible. Another sign of what was to come.

[LittleRooster]

I’ll be absolutely gutted if they fire Bud, but I also think they should do it. It would just be the first domino to fall in the closing of an era.

Like the quality of people and affection for one another they had was just super special. I loved this team, and these guys, Bud included.

I’ll always think back to when we won it, and the Bud- Giannis exchange where they were both crying and said that they loved each other. That’s just so **** special and doesn’t happen with every champion team/ lead player and coach.

Just a great group who really loved each other.

That’s where I’m at


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[BroncoBuck]

When’s the earliest we can announce an AJ Green contract?

[soxperry]

Well I think it's time to empty the asset chest.

What have we got to lose?

If it fails, we trade Giannis and have a mound of draft capital.

[BuckFan25226]

I’ll be absolutely gutted if they fire Bud, but I also think they should do it. It would just be the first domino to fall in the closing of an era.

Like the quality of people and affection for one another they had was just super special. I loved this team, and these guys, Bud included.

I’ll always think back to when we won it, and the Bud- Giannis exchange where they were both crying and said that they loved each other. That’s just so **** special and doesn’t happen with every champion team/ lead player and coach.

Just a great group who really loved each other.

Well said.

[Mtsportsfan]

Is Bobby Portis our center to replace Brook or just another backup center? Shown a lot of "just a backup center" for a while.

He’s unplayable against good teams & undersized, so no.

Brook can stay, but needs his role reduced so that we can implement a new scheme defensively.

This team badly needs some 6’7 to 6’9 athletic 3&D prospects.

Pretty sure all of us said that last year ! All we did was get older and slower !

[Rstuedes24]

Guards we should try to look at, but probably won’t happen because we don’t have the assets:
Garland
Trae Young
Dame

Guards we might look at and might have the assets for:
FVV
Sexton
McCollum

Who we will probably end up with:
Ricky Rubio
Reggie Jackson

[Antinomy]

When we talk about “re-tooling” the roster, we should be looking at from a perspective of crafting a rotation of 8 versatile players who can perform at a high level in postseason based on matchups.

This year, we had 4 (Brook, Khris, Jrue, Giannis). So here’s what needs to happen, assuming those 4 are back + Pat:

- Bobby (unfortunately), Ingles, Jevon, Crowder, Grayson all have to go / they just can’t be on the floor in the postseason

- We need a legitimate secondary ballhander or PG w/ creativity / optimally a Derrick White type

- We need 2 long athletic wings (ideally younger) / maybe take a flier on DFS + giving Marjon a bigger role w/ more room to grow this year

- A hybrid switchable forward that’s a legitimate 6-7 or so / Saddiq Bey type

[LittleRooster]

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[Antinomy]

Is Bobby Portis our center to replace Brook or just another backup center? Shown a lot of "just a backup center" for a while.

He’s unplayable against good teams & undersized, so no.

Brook can stay, but needs his role reduced so that we can implement a new scheme defensively.

This team badly needs some 6’7 to 6’9 athletic 3&D prospects.

Pretty sure all of us said that last year ! All we did was get older and slower !

I’ve been saying it for years lol.

Giannis being our only athletic player limits our ability to switch too.

Although that could mostly be due to Bud leaving guys on an island in drop coverage.

[paulpressey25]

Guards we should try to look at, but probably won’t happen because we don’t have the assets:
Garland
Trae Young
Dame

Guards we might look at and might have the assets for:
FVV
Sexton
McCollum

Who we will probably end up with:
Ricky Rubio
Reggie Jackson

Rozier

[Plossum]

Jrue can hold his own athletically too. Brook excels in the role we’ve made for him.

Midds can’t guard at a high level. Can he get that back with a full off-season of conditioning under his belt? Maybe.

I think all the depth we thought we had turned out to be an illusion. Crowder, Ingles, Jevon, Grayson, Bobby were all unplayable. We had the core four + Pat. There is lots to be disappointed about but the sad demise of our bench is right up there.

Whatever happens from here, we really need to invest more into getting Marjon and Green ready for more significant game time.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

giannis being rather irrelevent especially in the switch this year isnt being discussed enough

giannis being traded for two dynamic shooter/scorers that could defend....a big and a small would be epic. like bane and jj yikes

im not in on the holiday and middleton crisis. theyre still good players. and play a traditonal way.

obviously giannis isnt a crisis either but goddam the guy could net two all stars plus whatever else got thrown in. its possible were trying to build around big boy westbrook and a GM savant would understand this.

and were gonna fire the coach that turned him from allstar on an underachieving team to mvp champion? that doesnt resonate with me either

self admittedly im very confused right now. like nothing i say should be taken conforntationally. bear in mind im taking very little opinions on the board as some great for sure fix either. the issue is the roster, or the coach, or the star.... or a combination of both.

all im saying is if we want the ultimate infusion of tradional talent we own the ultimate asset. there is the thought that hes on the decline too. if we micheal redd the giannis asset it will **** this franchise for ever and ever and ever and then forever

[Rstuedes24]

Shams mentioning there’s questions across the organization about Bud makes it sound like players could potentially be ready to move on from him too. I just can’t see a scenario that involves us having him coach next season.

[pifhluk23]

giannis being rather irrelevent especially in the switch this year isnt being discussed enough

giannis being traded for two dynamic shooter/scorers that could defend....a big and a small would be epic. like bane and jj yikes

im not in on the holiday and middleton crisis. theyre still good players. and play a traditonal way.

obviously giannis isnt a crisis either but goddam the guy could net two all stars plus whatever else got thrown in. its possible were trying to build around big boy westbrook and a GM savant would understand this.

and were gonna fire the coach that turned him from allstar on an underachieving team to mvp champion? that doesnt resonate with me either

self admittedly im very confused right now. like nothing i say should be taken conforntationally. bear in mind im taking very little opinions on the board as some great for sure fix either. the issue is the roster, or the coach, or the star.... or a combination of both.

all im saying is if we want the ultimate infusion of tradional talent we own the ultimate asset. there is the thought that hes on the decline too. if we micheal redd the giannis asset it will **** this franchise for ever and ever and ever and then forever

I'd trade Giannis if we aren't able to bring in some serious help this off-season like PG, Kawhi, Dame, Young whatever someone who is actually a #1 or #2 guy. If we can get one of them then you go for another ring, otherwise yup sell at the top not the bottom like we will be doing with Middleton.

[Antinomy]

Jrue can hold his own athletically too. Brook excels in the role we’ve made for him.

Midds can’t guard at a high level. Can he get that back with a full off-season of conditioning under his belt? Maybe.

I think all the depth we thought we had turned out to be an illusion. Crowder, Ingles, Jevon, Grayson, Bobby were all unplayable. We had the core four + Pat. There is lots to be disappointed about but the sad demise of our bench is right up there.

Whatever happens from here, we really need to invest more into getting Marjon and Green ready for more significant game time.

Jrue is terrible offensively in the playoffs. No question about it anymore.

From ages 24-28, Giannis has had to deal with PGs who can’t shoot the damn ball in the playoffs.

That’s unacceptable & can’t continue.

[drone3]

We need a Jordan Clarkson kind of guy

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Jrue can hold his own athletically too. Brook excels in the role we’ve made for him.

Midds can’t guard at a high level. Can he get that back with a full off-season of conditioning under his belt? Maybe.

I think all the depth we thought we had turned out to be an illusion. Crowder, Ingles, Jevon, Grayson, Bobby were all unplayable. We had the core four + Pat. There is lots to be disappointed about but the sad demise of our bench is right up there.

Whatever happens from here, we really need to invest more into getting Marjon and Green ready for more significant game time.

Jrue is terrible offensively in the playoffs. No question about it anymore.

From ages 24-28, Giannis has had to deal with PGs who can’t shoot the damn ball in the playoffs.

That’s unacceptable & can’t continue.

jrues a dynamite player if not being asked to create in the half court because our star/team offense/whatever cant. he needs a wiggins role or smart role or something like that. he isnt a scorer per se so we need to quit thinking it that way. in a true switch championship defense hes a goddam demigod that is a legit threat on offense if hes a 3rd or 4th option and thats the truth.

as it relates to playoffs if his role is to score 13-15 ppg efficiently hed be superb. like my god he couldnt be better.

punting jrue when quite frankly giannis and middleton had worse seasons than he did based on their theoretical par would be a mistake imo

[bucksfansince88]

Keep the core 4 and find a young dynamic guard

[Baddy Chuck]

Giannis is amazing but he's far too limited offensively to be a 39% usage perimeter guy. Jrue I think is a better than he's shown but he is just not a point guard we need next to Giannis though he might be the shooting guard. His step back jumpers with 20 seconds on the clock and lackadaisical passes just rubbed me wrong for the last time to shut up because he helped us win a chip. Khris I like as well though obviously slowing with age/injuries and he just isn't a guy you can rely on as a full time ball handler. Can't really attack the defense with his handle, can't make an entry pass to save his life.

I don't even really care what type of player, I just want some smart, capable players on the perimeter. A guy like Jingles would have been awesome 10 years ago, obviously fun in spurts but probably just too far gone. Still hate the "get a 40% shooter" "get more athletic" takes as always really tbh. We have like 5 guys who shot over 40% from three this year on the roster, didn't help that much in the playoffs. Think getting young and athletic just to get young and athletic doesn't help the team either. Couldn't care less where a Lonnie Walker and co. decide to go in the offseason. We need basketball players. If we wanted guys like Gabe Vincent and Caleb Martin we'd be met with "they don't shoot good enough" "they aren't 6'8 with 7'5 wingspans" but they sure as **** would have helped our team in a series like this.