Official Trade Thread Part XLV

[pcbothwel]

Kuz (SnT), Gafford, Wright
for
Bertans, Bullock, Green, 10

Dallas gets the perfect fit for Luka & Kyrie in Wright and Gafford. Kux gives them secondary playmaker when either Luka or Kyrie sit.

A smaller version of this would be to pull out Bullock & Green... and either Kuz or Gafford.

Wow...!

Why do you want Davis Bertans?
He played 400 minutes for Dallas this year & was absolutely awful?

Why do you want Reggie Bullock?

At first I thought maybe you wanted Josh Green -- he's one of the best young players in the league -- but you pulled him in your smaller version. In any case, the Mavs aren't trading Green.

In your smaller version you would give Daniel Gafford & Delon Wright for Davis Bertans?
Is that right?

I just don't understand this at all....

Ugghhh. Are you missing the fact that I’m trading for the 10th pick in the draft?

[payitforward]

Uuuuhhhh, yes. Ooops! Sorry about that! How'd I miss that little "10" at the end of the line?

Green & the #10 pick this year in effect for Gafford & Wright is motivation to take on the last 2 years of Bertans' deal. It's a very imaginative idea too: took some thinking....!

[gambitx777]

Kuz (SnT), Gafford, Wright
for
Bertans, Bullock, Green, 10

Dallas gets the perfect fit for Luka & Kyrie in Wright and Gafford. Kux gives them secondary playmaker when either Luka or Kyrie sit.

A smaller version of this would be to pull out Bullock & Green... and either Kuz or Gafford.

I don't know if Dallas can afford a S&T that hard caps them

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[nate33]

Udoka just agreed to coach Houston. I wonder if that boosts their likelihood of signing Harden this summer as rumored. (The logic is that tanking doesn't help Houston because they don't own their 2024 pick.)

If Houston departs Philly, I wonder if they become a potential partner for a Beal trade? Embiid has mentioned he'd love to play with Beal, and, on paper, the Beal-Embiid combo is ideal. Embiid isn't really a pick-and-roll guy so that takes away some of his synergy with Harden. But Embiid is an elite pick and pop guy who would have a field day running the two-man handoff game with Beal.

The question is, can we get Maxey in the trade?

The basis of the trade would be Harris + Maxey for Beal, but it leaves Philly pretty short on wings so extra players might need to be involved. Maybe a Kuzma for PJ Tucker swap? We could also throw in Gill.

[Frichuela]

Udoka just agreed to coach Houston. I wonder if that boosts their likelihood of signing Harden this summer as rumored. (The logic is that tanking doesn't help Houston because they don't own their 2024 pick.)

If Houston departs Philly, I wonder if they become a potential partner for a Beal trade? Embiid has mentioned he'd love to play with Beal, and, on paper, the Beal-Embiid combo is ideal. Embiid isn't really a pick-and-roll guy so that takes away some of his synergy with Harden. But Embiid is an elite pick and pop guy who would have a field day running the two-man handoff game with Beal.

The question is, can we get Maxey in the trade?

The basis of the trade would be Harris + Maxey for Beal, but it leaves Philly pretty short on wings so extra players might need to be involved. Maybe a Kuzma for PJ Tucker swap? We could also throw in Gill.

I mean getting Maxey in a swap for Beal would be a dream. But as you said, we probably have to give them some incentives...maybe they like Kispert?

[badinage]

I love that, and we should get AT LEAST a Maxey for Beal. Beal is a guy who will elevate Philly, or any team that’s close. I’d want Maxey, two firsts, and Jalen McDaniels. And before anyone says, “We’d never get a haul like that,” let me just point out that this is the going rate for a player of this level. It’s gonna cost. A lot. And it doesn’t matter if his value was higher two years ago. GMs alone know his value. They know that he can get a team with pieces and culture to the finals.

[payitforward]

Udoka just agreed to coach Houston. I wonder if that boosts their likelihood of signing Harden this summer as rumored. (The logic is that tanking doesn't help Houston because they don't own their 2024 pick.)

If Houston departs Philly, I wonder if they become a potential partner for a Beal trade? Embiid has mentioned he'd love to play with Beal, and, on paper, the Beal-Embiid combo is ideal. Embiid isn't really a pick-and-roll guy so that takes away some of his synergy with Harden. But Embiid is an elite pick and pop guy who would have a field day running the two-man handoff game with Beal.

The question is, can we get Maxey in the trade?

The basis of the trade would be Harris + Maxey for Beal, but it leaves Philly pretty short on wings so extra players might need to be involved. Maybe a Kuzma for PJ Tucker swap? We could also throw in Gill.

That's a great trade idea, nate! Well done!

Especially, moving Brad in a deal that also sends Kuzma out... that would be terrific!

[FAH1223]

Udoka just agreed to coach Houston. I wonder if that boosts their likelihood of signing Harden this summer as rumored. (The logic is that tanking doesn't help Houston because they don't own their 2024 pick.)

If Houston departs Philly, I wonder if they become a potential partner for a Beal trade? Embiid has mentioned he'd love to play with Beal, and, on paper, the Beal-Embiid combo is ideal. Embiid isn't really a pick-and-roll guy so that takes away some of his synergy with Harden. But Embiid is an elite pick and pop guy who would have a field day running the two-man handoff game with Beal.

The question is, can we get Maxey in the trade?

The basis of the trade would be Harris + Maxey for Beal, but it leaves Philly pretty short on wings so extra players might need to be involved. Maybe a Kuzma for PJ Tucker swap? We could also throw in Gill.

It's too good for us.

Maxey is BELOVED by the 76ers front office, coaches, and fans. That kid will probably sign his rookie extension before training camp. I can't see Philadelphia pivoting to Brad with Harden's departure back to Houston.

I think Wizards missed their opportunity for that in the 2021 offseason.

[dckingsfan]

As far as a Beal trade goes. Unless Beal knows for sure that this will be a rebuild (we trade Porzingis). I don't think he will want to move (quite yet).

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Udoka just agreed to coach Houston. I wonder if that boosts their likelihood of signing Harden this summer as rumored. (The logic is that tanking doesn't help Houston because they don't own their 2024 pick.)

If Houston departs Philly, I wonder if they become a potential partner for a Beal trade? Embiid has mentioned he'd love to play with Beal, and, on paper, the Beal-Embiid combo is ideal. Embiid isn't really a pick-and-roll guy so that takes away some of his synergy with Harden. But Embiid is an elite pick and pop guy who would have a field day running the two-man handoff game with Beal.

The question is, can we get Maxey in the trade?

The basis of the trade would be Harris + Maxey for Beal, but it leaves Philly pretty short on wings so extra players might need to be involved. Maybe a Kuzma for PJ Tucker swap? We could also throw in Gill.

It's too good for us.

Maxey is BELOVED by the 76ers front office, coaches, and fans. That kid will probably sign his rookie extension before training camp. I can't see Philadelphia pivoting to Brad with Harden's departure back to Houston.

I think Wizards missed their opportunity for that in the 2021 offseason.

I agree.

Maxey is quicker, younger, and IMO better than clutch turnover Beal.

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[FAH1223]

As far as a Beal trade goes. Unless Beal knows for sure that this will be a rebuild (we trade Porzingis). I don't think he will want to move (quite yet).

Brad wants to become Bullets/Wizards all-time leading scorer and pass the Big E Elvin Hayes next season.

I agree.

Maxey is quicker, younger, and IMO better than clutch turnover Beal.

Brad was plenty clutch in 2022-23... with his shooting. But yeah he and Tatum were the highest turnover guys in the clutch I believe.

[9 and 20]

I have for Beal options -

Boston - some combination of White/Brogdon/picks
Miami - Herro/Lowry
Dallas - salary plus their pick this year
Philly - Tobias Harris and picks
Orlando - Isaac plus picks
Maybe the Clippers?
Maybe the Knicks?

Those are all nice places to call home except maybe Orlando and I'm not sure how Beal feels about Dallas. Clippers and Knicks could cobble together packages that are probably good enough. I'd take any of these deals as long as 'picks' is one good first rounder or multiple first rounders if they're coming from a team like Boston or Philly.

Hopefully the new GM just tells him that we're going to rebuild and the list of teams that will actually want him will start to shrink if he waits another year. And if the COVID magnet is down for another 30 games, this list is half as long already.

[dckingsfan]

If you want to trade Beal, then the team that is acquiring him needs to think it is a final piece.

What team would that be?

[gambitx777]

I wish people would stop talking about Tyler hero as a piece to be had in. Miami Beal trade. He isnt the guy you want. He's over paid and his defence is bad. Just cuz he's a guard you don't save Miami from that deal.

In a Lowery hero deal we take on ten mill in salary and an over paid hero.

The deal should be Lowery and oladipo and jovic. We get a young big and safe a couple mill while getting one year deals then we can get more pick compensation


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[FAH1223]

Troy Haliburton on Locked on Wizards says the Beal trade request is still a year away.

[pcbothwel]

Troy Haliburton on Locked on Wizards says the Beal trade request is still a year away.

Ehhh. He is saying what everyone already knows. Beal and Ted want Beal to get the scoring record, which he will get in the first 15-20 games of the year. And Beal wont REQUEST a trade until the offseason, so that the basis of his assertion. Not very "insider".
That said, I could see him getting moved at the deadline if the team really falls apart.

[Dark Faze]

I wish people would stop talking about Tyler hero as a piece to be had in. Miami Beal trade. He isnt the guy you want. He's over paid and his defence is bad. Just cuz he's a guard you don't save Miami from that deal.

In a Lowery hero deal we take on ten mill in salary and an over paid hero.

The deal should be Lowery and oladipo and jovic. We get a young big and safe a couple mill while getting one year deals then we can get more pick compensation


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Eh, 27-30 million a year for 20, 5, 4 on a decent TS is going to be a bargain contract once the cap increases, to say nothing of the potential for him improving at only age 23 atm.

I'd easily take Herro as the primary piece in a Brad deal. Just don't fool yourself into thinking he's a first option level player.

[Frichuela]

I wish people would stop talking about Tyler hero as a piece to be had in. Miami Beal trade. He isnt the guy you want. He's over paid and his defence is bad. Just cuz he's a guard you don't save Miami from that deal.

In a Lowery hero deal we take on ten mill in salary and an over paid hero.

The deal should be Lowery and oladipo and jovic. We get a young big and safe a couple mill while getting one year deals then we can get more pick compensation


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Eh, 27-30 million a year for 20, 5, 4 on a decent TS is going to be a bargain contract once the cap increases, to say nothing of the potential for him improving at only age 23 atm.

I'd easily take Herro as the primary piece in a Brad deal. Just don't fool yourself into thinking he's a first option level player.

This. Agreed.

[nate33]

I wish people would stop talking about Tyler hero as a piece to be had in. Miami Beal trade. He isnt the guy you want. He's over paid and his defence is bad. Just cuz he's a guard you don't save Miami from that deal.

In a Lowery hero deal we take on ten mill in salary and an over paid hero.

The deal should be Lowery and oladipo and jovic. We get a young big and safe a couple mill while getting one year deals then we can get more pick compensation


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Eh, 27-30 million a year for 20, 5, 4 on a decent TS is going to be a bargain contract once the cap increases, to say nothing of the potential for him improving at only age 23 atm.

I'd easily take Herro as the primary piece in a Brad deal. Just don't fool yourself into thinking he's a first option level player.

I agree with gambitx777 here. Herro's numbers are fine (albeit not spectacular) but they come with horrific defense. If your defense is terrible, you absolutely need to be a first option level player to offset the negative impact of your bad D. Being merely a 2nd or 3rd option isn't enough. Any good team with time to scout will exploit him relentlessly and ultimately play him off the court.

[nate33]

I have for Beal options -

Boston - some combination of White/Brogdon/picks
Miami - Herro/Lowry
Dallas - salary plus their pick this year
Philly - Tobias Harris and picks
Orlando - Isaac plus picks
Maybe the Clippers?
Maybe the Knicks?

Those are all nice places to call home except maybe Orlando and I'm not sure how Beal feels about Dallas. Clippers and Knicks could cobble together packages that are probably good enough. I'd take any of these deals as long as 'picks' is one good first rounder or multiple first rounders if they're coming from a team like Boston or Philly.

Hopefully the new GM just tells him that we're going to rebuild and the list of teams that will actually want him will start to shrink if he waits another year. And if the COVID magnet is down for another 30 games, this list is half as long already.

On the general board trade thread, someone proposed a Jrue for Beal trade to give the Bucks a legit shot-creation perimeter option since Middleton no longer appears to be that guy. I thought it made a fair bit of sense from Milwaukee's perspective.

We have no need for Jrue here (he is even older than Beal) but it's an idea that may be interesting as part of a 3-way deal. If any of those scenarios you proposed above, if the team would prefer to receive Jrue instead of Beal, that may be feasible.

For example, how about this:

Washington trades: Beal
Washington receives: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st

Miami trades: Lowry, Jovic, Oladipo, 2023 1st, 2027 1st
Miami receives: Jrue

Milwaukee trades: Jrue
Milwaukee receives: Beal