2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

That's the kid we need to figure out how to acquire. I'm encouraged enough by his offensive output this year given the circumstances but moreso when you look at what he was doing before college and how everyone has raved about his 2 way impact and outstanding character. That video really does highlight how beautiful of a stroke he has, leading me to believe he can become a very good 3 point shooter.

You want a kid with a Jimmy Butler-like profile as a prospect, Cason Wallace is him. Very pure makes off of screens with the pull up.

[Dalek]

Terq vs Keyonte is basically 170lbs vs 205lbs.

You barely exist in the NBA being under 190 lbs. You are going to have to chuck like Bones Hyland.

I think when Terq got hurt this year from a bad fall I kind of remembered TJ Ford. You just can't be a PG being so skinny.

Keyonte is a bull. With the NBA spacing and his bag of tricks he is going to be a good scorer right away. He has a knack for drawing fouls.

[WuTang_CMB]

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[WuTang_CMB]

I like the fit with Luka and they need a big / wing that can play defense

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[HumbleRen]

I like the fit with Luka and they need a big / wing that can play defense

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I'd be shocked if they kept their pick. They need a win now player, not someone who won't contribute to winning basketball in his first 2 years.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Jimmy Butler going full MJ shows what guys who rise to the occasion can do. We’ve seen the other side of the spectrum with Pascal and it isn’t pretty. I want a DOG!

Meh, by 29 Jimmy had won 3 playoff rounds. By 26 Pascal had won, what, 6? No need to diminish a really good player just because Butler has been nothing but business after finally securing his bag. Pascal might not be the type to will a team to playoff upsets, but he's proven to be the type that can win 4 rounds. Let's get some load management for the guy. He played 500 more minutes than Butler this year while also missing a chunk of games with a groin strain.

We’re not going to sit here and argue that Pascal is better than Jimmy, because he’s not. If you want to read a box score and tell me that he has better advanced stats you can, but I’ll take my eye test.

And we definitely aren’t going to talk about 2019 like Kawhi didn’t hard carry Pascal. Without Kawhi is Pascal proven to be able to win 4 rounds? I thought so…. Everyone knows Pascal wanted no smoke against Philly. Without Kawhi’s shot we probably lose to them. Jimmy wanted that game, Pascal seemed fine playing 4th fiddle.

You can’t hold playing with bums like KAT and Wiggins against Jimmy. And you also can’t hold DRose’s health against him.

Both Jimmy and Pascal are guys who grew out of hardships, but it’s quite obvious to anyone who is paying attention that Jimmy is a better player on both ends of the court when it matters most. Guys with the heart of a lion win you games and series you aren’t supposed to win.

Not arguing that Pascal is better, but he's a proven winner. Jimmy undermined his own success with internal fighting, and only when he got his bag did he actually start making deep playoff runs and willing his teams to upset victories within the playoffs.

I thought Siakam played well to start in that Philly series (12/15 for 29), had a weak game 2, bounced back in game 3 and then had the calf injury that he had to play through the rest of the series. Not sure he 'didn't want that smoke.'

[ATLTimekeeper]

That's the kid we need to figure out how to acquire. I'm encouraged enough by his offensive output this year given the circumstances but moreso when you look at what he was doing before college and how everyone has raved about his 2 way impact and outstanding character. That video really does highlight how beautiful of a stroke he has, leading me to believe he can become a very good 3 point shooter.

You want a kid with a Jimmy Butler-like profile as a prospect, Cason Wallace is him. Very pure makes off of screens with the pull up.

Don't put that out there. Butler pretty much lives at the line. Wallace really struggled to draw fouls and get into the paint. It's not a good sign for a ballhandler, period. His game is going to be more off ball/transition. Should be a good player, but there's nothing remotely close to Butler. He's a coach's pet. Butler has had issues with every coach he's played for and tried to fight Spo last year

[Psubs]

That's the kid we need to figure out how to acquire. I'm encouraged enough by his offensive output this year given the circumstances but moreso when you look at what he was doing before college and how everyone has raved about his 2 way impact and outstanding character. That video really does highlight how beautiful of a stroke he has, leading me to believe he can become a very good 3 point shooter.

You want a kid with a Jimmy Butler-like profile as a prospect, Cason Wallace is him. Very pure makes off of screens with the pull up.

Would love Cason Wallace as you know. Love those under control 2-handed volleyball blocks!

[HumbleRen]

Cason and Jimmy play nothing alike lmao.

[WuTang_CMB]

I like the fit with Luka and they need a big / wing that can play defense

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I'd be shocked if they kept their pick. They need a win now player, not someone who won't contribute to winning basketball in his first 2 years.

what's funny is if they drop down 1 spot to 11, they lose it

[Psubs]

Cason and Jimmy play nothing alike lmao.

Cissoko and Jimmy are way more similar. I think the poster meant that they both do everything above average on both ends and they the have similar mental make up. I guess upbringing needs to be researched too. I felt like Desmond Bane's upbringing played a big roll in his success.

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Takes contact well, being strong. Posts-up smaller players. Good anticipating steals. Can run the break and make the right pass, be it a sweet dump off bounce pass. Doesn't have the quickest first step but has a decent pull up J. Also if stopped on the drive has a nice turn-around jumper. Not a prolific 3pt shooter but will take them confidently. Good size to finish with a dunk on a catch with 1 step. Jimmy Butler wasn't great his freshman year. Cissoko is probably a year ahead in development with his international competition experience. Outside of Wemby, Cissoko is probably the most toolsy prospect, that can do everything.

Last year, the Spurs reached for Jeremy Sochan at #9, but he's developing nicely with freedom. Cissoko is the better playmaker and 3-pt shooter (already).

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[Jadoogar]

I like the fit with Luka and they need a big / wing that can play defense

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I'd be shocked if they kept their pick. They need a win now player, not someone who won't contribute to winning basketball in his first 2 years.

I would bet a substantial amount that they trade the pick.
The only way they keep the pick is if Irving walks and they need to retool around Luka.

[HumbleRen]

Cason and Jimmy play nothing alike lmao.

Cissoko and Jimmy are way more similar. I think the poster meant that they both do everything above average on both ends and they the have similar mental make up. I guess upbringing needs to be researched too. I felt like Desmond Bane's upbringing played a big roll in his success.

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Takes contact well, being strong. Posts-up smaller players. Good anticipating steals. Can run the break and make the right pass, be it a sweet dump off bounce pass. Doesn't have the quickest first step but has a decent pull up J. Also if stopped on the drive has a nice turn-around jumper. Not a prolific 3pt shooter but will take them confidently. Good size to finish with a dunk on a catch with 1 step.

Yeah, I instantly got reminded of Butler when I was watching Cissoko.

Only difference is Butler plays with a force that Cissoko will never have lol.

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Yeah, I instantly got reminded of Butler when I was watching Cissoko.

Only difference is Butler plays with a force that Cissoko will never have lol.

Maybe, but we only ever watched Jimmy as a junior, unless you were a Marquette fan. Jimmy almost quit basketball while at Marquette during his freshman season.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/jimmy-butler-admits-he-almost-quit-basketball-college-marquette/

I feel like you can't compare how people act while their in college no to risk their scholarship. Embiid in college looked like Hakeem regarding demeanor. After turning pro his real personality started coming out and getting into your prime years and securing a large contract, you show your true self.

You didn't hear much about Jimmy in Chicago until near the end, then in Minnesota he was more outspoken and more in Philly.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Yeah, I instantly got reminded of Butler when I was watching Cissoko.

Only difference is Butler plays with a force that Cissoko will never have lol.

Maybe, but we only ever watched Jimmy as a junior, unless you were a Marquette fan. Jimmy almost quit basketball while at Marquette during his freshman season.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/jimmy-butler-admits-he-almost-quit-basketball-college-marquette/

I feel like you can't compare how people act while their in college no to risk their scholarship. Embiid in college looked like Hakeem regarding demeanor. After turning pro his real personality started coming out and getting into your prime years and securing a large contract, you show your true self.

You didn't hear much about Jimmy in Chicago until near the end, then in Minnesota he was more outspoken and more in Philly.

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In general it's just stupid looking for matches. You have a range of available players and the best one is the best choice. Like, who cares if Butler has iron will or whatever? Jokic dgaf and dominates, too.

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His dad was a pro. His older brother is a pro and same for his little sister. He's played in French, Spanish and now American leagues; I suspect he's learned many styles to play. I think he interviews like Pascal Siakam. To end the interview, he's asked where he sees himself in 5 years. Many players will say starting, allstar, etc, but Sidy says I hope in the league and I'll do everything I can for the team that drafts me. #betontheteam #notbetonyourself

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@4:44 Emmanuel Mudiay get out the WAAAAYYY!

[ItsDanger]

Cissoko doesn't operate like Butler in the half court. Maybe he can develop that as he's very young but Butler had 3 years in college to work on his game. These other guys are rushing to the league without much in their offensive arsenal and will have to work on that on the job during their rookie contracts. Very tough.

[dozo]

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It's something I've noticed about NBA. The SG position is experiencing a decline in talent similar to what the centre position went thru this past decade. Defensive centres and combo guards rarely play 30 + minutes per night. I'm leaning towards a wing @ 13 and trading into 2nd round for guard depth. (Sasser, Miles jr, Hodge)

[OakleyDokely]

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It's something I've noticed about NBA. The SG position is experiencing a decline in talent similar to what the centre position went thru this past decade. Defensive centres and combo guards rarely play 30 + minutes per night. I'm leaning towards a wing @ 13 and trading into 2nd round for guard depth. (Sasser, Miles jr, Hodge)

Most teams right now are playing with a ballhandler, 3 wings and a big.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Yeah, I instantly got reminded of Butler when I was watching Cissoko.

Only difference is Butler plays with a force that Cissoko will never have lol.

Maybe, but we only ever watched Jimmy as a junior, unless you were a Marquette fan. Jimmy almost quit basketball while at Marquette during his freshman season.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/jimmy-butler-admits-he-almost-quit-basketball-college-marquette/

I feel like you can't compare how people act while their in college no to risk their scholarship. Embiid in college looked like Hakeem regarding demeanor. After turning pro his real personality started coming out and getting into your prime years and securing a large contract, you show your true self.

You didn't hear much about Jimmy in Chicago until near the end, then in Minnesota he was more outspoken and more in Philly.

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In general it's just stupid looking for matches. You have a range of available players and the best one is the best choice. Like, who cares if Butler has iron will or whatever? Jokic dgaf and dominates, too.

Yeah, and maybe Jokic will get out of the 2nd round this year! Or maybe that would take him actually playing a lick of defense.