Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[Prez]

He was a massive disappointment in the playoffs but he showed enough in his limited RS time that I’d still be interested in bringing him back if it’s cheap, with a full season and training camp under a new coach (hopefully). If he’s asking for anything not cheap then yeah I’m out.

We need youth, not vets aging out.

Yeah which is why I wouldn’t pay him anything substantial. But he’s not so old and utterly hopeless that I wouldn’t even entertain bringing him back cheap.

Probably doesn’t matter anyways given he won’t accept a cheap deal with us.

[paulpressey25]

I kind of feel like what Russillo described in his pod last week when he talked about going through an existential crisis. We watch for months and try to make opinions and care, but what is all for. It's basically pre season.

Yep. It used to be there were 2-3 clear favorite teams that you'd pencil in for the conference finals. And 90% of the time, you (and Vegas) would be right.

It just sucks that it's our team that is the poster child for highest variance at the moment in this new world.

[emunney]

I mean, as fans, we might as well tune Jae out at this point. When he wasn't in the playoff rotation for our only series, he was going to talk and he wasn't going to come back. Best of luck.

[DingleJerry]

He was a massive disappointment in the playoffs but he showed enough in his limited RS time that I’d still be interested in bringing him back if it’s cheap, with a full season and training camp under a new coach (hopefully). If he’s asking for anything not cheap then yeah I’m out.

Yea a value I saw in him is that they'd have his rights to sign over cap. So, you could trade Pat/Bobby for whatever you get back (Rozier/Sexton type) and then resign Crowder to be a 3/4 combo reserve. Basically you'd already have that depth guy here rather than find one and find one who fits in the exceptions. But based on a quote like that I bet he's gone and we're out all those picks for nothing. But crowder massively misplayed his hand this year, cost himself a ton of money and fun/winning on good teams

Also, keep in mind the primary reason he was added was Boston and we never got to Boston

[Milbucks96]

Crowder was garbage, but I’m sure he’ll bounce back after a full offseason. I think pat is just a better player moving forward and better in the role that crowder would play.

Crowder is rightfully chasing the money so I doubt he’ll be back in Milwaukee after his time here tanked his chances of signing anything significant this offseason.

[Antinomy]

I don’t believe Jae ever got a fair chance.

Dude has been a starting small ball 4 for the last 3-4 years (on title contending teams) but Bud was using him as a 2 in these weird lineups with Joe, Khris, Grayson & Bobby.

Did we EVER go to a small switching lineup in the playoffs?

You guys can think he’s finished but wait till next year when he’s producing somewhere else.

It’s clear that Bud preferred the drop over all else & never liked using players like him or PJ — remember Pj was only getting about 17mpg when he got here & Bud didn’t give him heavy minutes until Donte went down in the first round that year.

You mean to tell me Crowder got ELEVEN minutes per game in Games 1 & 2, but Miami had HAYWARD HIGHSMITH out there & beat us?

If you think Bud is bad coach, then why are you trusting his judgment on rotations when it’s clear he’s major issues with it before? (Mirotic 2019, Hill + Grayson last year, Wes in 2020, Jevon last year, etc)

[M-C-G]

I'd move Middleton and while I think Bud is a top 10 coach, I've reached the different is better moment with this roster. I'm not sure that Nick Nurse is that guy however, so not sure I have a better plan.

I'd move Middleton in a deal to Portland with Simons or Grant being the main piece we get back.

[Siefer]

Can't deny Nurse is a lunatic for how he ran his guys, but I also don't think it was completely detatched from reality. He had a mismatched, shallow roster that was significantly worse than ours in the halfcourt, and had neither the point of attack, or interior defense to allow for a conservative scheme. Even with the roster construction issues they underachieved, and I just would not have ran up the minutes like he did, but I don't take him for a Thibs type.

[BUCKnation]

I go back and forth, but I feel like Masai is more at fault for the current state of the Raps.

In their championship year, they had 58 wins and had 2 players over 32 minutes played and both were only at 34. Those numbers have risen every year since, but that roster has gotten worse and worse. I think Nurse's hand was forced last year and found success basically running a playoff rotation during the latter half of the regular season and has continued it this year to much less success.

[WiscoKing13]

I agree with Crowder to a point. But considering the Bucks options this summer and his own. Seems like a really dumb idea to burn that bridge. At the same time given how he left the Suns, this shouldn't surprise anyone.

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[Rstuedes24]

Rockets willing to move Jalen Green, no idea what he’s like or if that would make any sense here, or if we most likely lack assets

[Wonka]

Rockets willing to move Jalen Green, no idea what he’s like or if that would make any sense here, or if we most likely lack assets

He would be the prototypical young scorer that you’d want to try to pair with a superstar. You’d hope he would jump up in efficiency playing with our guys but I don’t think there’s any way to acquire him if this is something that Houston is actually looking into. He definitely has solid potential.

[aboveAverage]

I don't think I'm going to care as much about the team next year in regular season. I'll still try to watch what I can, since I don't want to take a player like Giannis for granted, but the gulf between the regular season and postseason has never been bigger.

It was truly sickening watching a Miami team who was awful for 83.8 games this season turn into what looked like a legitimate finals contender. They could barely break 100 in those play in games.

The league in its current state is so diverse in talent that it's just jockeying for playoff seeds that don't really matter as it seems home court means less and less. Like what's the point in caring a bunch about a regular season that clearly doesn't matter. I know we've already mostly figured this out, but I thought you could still draw things from it.

I kind of feel like what Russillo described in his pod last week when he talked about going through an existential crisis. We watch for months and try to make opinions and care, but what is all for. It's basically pre season.

I agree, and in the Bucks defense, Miami was actually the 7th seed, but fell to 8th with this new play-in system. Seeding has become almost meaningless now with load management, and then the play-in adds an extra wrinkle. Miami was good enough to be a 4 seed this year if they had played with that level of urgency that they showed against us.

[Frank Nova]

Rockets interested in Midds and willing to trade Jalen.. yes please.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I don't really know what to make of Green but he's the type of young talented player that be worth gambling on.

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[Prez]

I would do Middleton for Jalen Green just as a mini reset and gambling on a high upside talent but pretty sure Giannis squashes that unless Khris actively wants out.

[FrieAaron]

This is the #2 pick Jalen Green from 2 years ago? What is the source on this? Did he fall off a lot last year or something? I don't get why they'd do that.

[Antinomy]

I’d move Jrue for Jalen Green.

Rockets need a “real” PG & Jrue would fit there with KPJ.

Jalen Green has some obvious issues but can be score with best. He needs some structure for sure to reign in a lot of the bad habits, but it’s worth a shot.

He’s also on a smaller deal, so we might be able to get an additional ballhandler in the deal.

[Prez]

https://sports.yahoo.com/bucks-epic-flameout-leads-to-questions-about-mike-budenholzers-coaching-future-154246003.html

^ Here’s the source on the Rockets interest in Middleton and discussion of including Green in a trade package.

Unfortunately it also makes it seem like despite the crazy amount of heat Bud’s getting externally, it’s not the same internally. I think Bud being brought back is likelier than many think.

[Matches Malone]

Green could be that "Haliburton" type deal people have been clamoring for. Not to say he's on the same level as Haliburton, but just that he's a young, potential star that nobody saw getting moved so quickly. I'd consider the gamble since we have defenders around him to hide him a bit.