Trade Discussion 22/23

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S&T with Lakers is all i'm hoping for Kyrie.

What package do you want in return from LAL?

Hard to say how much Lakers value him. But if Lebron wants him then Pelinka might give out something extra.

Rui and Vando would be a great start but then Lakers would need to include Russell to match salaries. And even that would probably not be enough. And i'm not sure Pelinka would want to go that far to get Kyrie. Unless he thinks AD, LBJ and Kyrie = another ring.

Another option to match salaries would be Rui/Vando/Beasley/Bamba/Loonie.... So that's somewhere in the range of Kyrie's new contract.

Obviously Mavs FO could get creative and get Russell as well but then they would need to include probably Bertans or THJ/Bullock in return. Another thing to consider is Austin Reaves who is going to get paid, so that's another potential issue or maybe even benefit for Mavs. Depends how you look at it. If Lakers want to give him bigger minutes, then they might try to off-load some players to free up the room.


Basically all comes down to how much Lebron and Pelinka want Kyrie and how high do they value him.

[Mavrelous]

S&T hardcaps, Lakers will have 140 millions on LBJ, AD, Hilibilly and Kyrie, and 30 millions for the rest of the roster, that's assuming they send Rui, Beasly, Bamba and Vando.
They will be repeating same mistake from Westbrook trade.

[Maverick41]

S&T hardcaps, Lakers will have 140 millions on LBJ, AD, Hilibilly and Kyrie, and 30 millions for the rest of the roster, that's assuming they send Rui, Beasly, Bamba and Vando.
They will be repeating same mistake from Westbrook trade.

Exactly what I was thinking. Would seem very odd for them to revert back to what didn't work. All I know is that if we trade with LAL, I don't want Dlo. Decent player but I don't want to be the team overpaying him. The other pieces I like.

[daoneandonly]

S&T with Lakers is all i'm hoping for Kyrie.

What package do you want in return from LAL?

Hard to say how much Lakers value him. But if Lebron wants him then Pelinka might give out something extra.

Rui and Vando would be a great start but then Lakers would need to include Russell to match salaries. And even that would probably not be enough. And i'm not sure Pelinka would want to go that far to get Kyrie. Unless he thinks AD, LBJ and Kyrie = another ring.

Another option to match salaries would be Rui/Vando/Beasley/Bamba/Loonie.... So that's somewhere in the range of Kyrie's new contract.

Obviously Mavs FO could get creative and get Russell as well but then they would need to include probably Bertans or THJ/Bullock in return. Another thing to consider is Austin Reaves who is going to get paid, so that's another potential issue or maybe even benefit for Mavs. Depends how you look at it. If Lakers want to give him bigger minutes, then they might try to off-load some players to free up the room.


Basically all comes down to how much Lebron and Pelinka want Kyrie and how high do they value him.

No interest whatsoever in D Lo. The other package is decent, though isn't Rui a FA?

I would actually prefer a Clippers package of Zubac/Mann/Gordon/Covington if it were offered.

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What package do you want in return from LAL?

Hard to say how much Lakers value him. But if Lebron wants him then Pelinka might give out something extra.

Rui and Vando would be a great start but then Lakers would need to include Russell to match salaries. And even that would probably not be enough. And i'm not sure Pelinka would want to go that far to get Kyrie. Unless he thinks AD, LBJ and Kyrie = another ring.

Another option to match salaries would be Rui/Vando/Beasley/Bamba/Loonie.... So that's somewhere in the range of Kyrie's new contract.

Obviously Mavs FO could get creative and get Russell as well but then they would need to include probably Bertans or THJ/Bullock in return. Another thing to consider is Austin Reaves who is going to get paid, so that's another potential issue or maybe even benefit for Mavs. Depends how you look at it. If Lakers want to give him bigger minutes, then they might try to off-load some players to free up the room.


Basically all comes down to how much Lebron and Pelinka want Kyrie and how high do they value him.

No interest whatsoever in D Lo. The other package is decent, though isn't Rui a FA?

I would actually prefer a Clippers package of Zubac/Mann/Gordon/Covington if it were offered.

Oh, yeah, you're right. That's why making trades is a lot harder than people think So much going on in the background. Salaries/contracts are almost always the biggest issue along with how much salary CAP does a team actually have left. It's not only if you want a specific guy but then you have to figure out HOW to actually get him lol.

But in hindsight. If Kyrie wants to join Lebron, i want (somehow) Rui and Vando in return, that's a start... How they want to match salaries and which players they throw in the mix, that's on Nico to figure out.

[daoneandonly]

Hard to say how much Lakers value him. But if Lebron wants him then Pelinka might give out something extra.

Rui and Vando would be a great start but then Lakers would need to include Russell to match salaries. And even that would probably not be enough. And i'm not sure Pelinka would want to go that far to get Kyrie. Unless he thinks AD, LBJ and Kyrie = another ring.

Another option to match salaries would be Rui/Vando/Beasley/Bamba/Loonie.... So that's somewhere in the range of Kyrie's new contract.

Obviously Mavs FO could get creative and get Russell as well but then they would need to include probably Bertans or THJ/Bullock in return. Another thing to consider is Austin Reaves who is going to get paid, so that's another potential issue or maybe even benefit for Mavs. Depends how you look at it. If Lakers want to give him bigger minutes, then they might try to off-load some players to free up the room.


Basically all comes down to how much Lebron and Pelinka want Kyrie and how high do they value him.

No interest whatsoever in D Lo. The other package is decent, though isn't Rui a FA?

I would actually prefer a Clippers package of Zubac/Mann/Gordon/Covington if it were offered.

Oh, yeah, you're right. That's why making trades is a lot harder than people think So much going on in the background. Salaries/contracts are almost always the biggest issue along with how much salary CAP does a team actually have left. It's not only if you want a specific guy but then you have to figure out HOW to actually get him lol.

But in hindsight. If Kyrie wants to join Lebron, i want (somehow) Rui and Vando in return, that's a start... How they want to match salaries and which players they throw in the mix, that's on Nico to figure out.

I like both of those guys, as long as Rui would want to come to Dallas, would be nice. Then up to Nico to use Green/Pick/Salary filler to find a guy who can at least be a 3rd option. Let Luka do the rest with said guy and Rui/JV

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No interest whatsoever in D Lo. The other package is decent, though isn't Rui a FA?

I would actually prefer a Clippers package of Zubac/Mann/Gordon/Covington if it were offered.

Oh, yeah, you're right. That's why making trades is a lot harder than people think So much going on in the background. Salaries/contracts are almost always the biggest issue along with how much salary CAP does a team actually have left. It's not only if you want a specific guy but then you have to figure out HOW to actually get him lol.

But in hindsight. If Kyrie wants to join Lebron, i want (somehow) Rui and Vando in return, that's a start... How they want to match salaries and which players they throw in the mix, that's on Nico to figure out.

I like both of those guys, as long as Rui would want to come to Dallas, would be nice. Then up to Nico to use Green/Pick/Salary filler to find a guy who can at least be a 3rd option. Let Luka do the rest with said guy and Rui/JV

Yup. I want to go a bit oldschool again. Big center with athletic wings, Luka will figure it out. If Powell still somehow had +8.7 On/Off even though he looked terrible on the eye, no one can convince me that Doncic can't work with a center who can't shoot 3's.

Look at NYK for example. You have some Knicks fans arguing that Brunson is a better player than Doncic but they fail to see that Mitchell Robinson almost had better advance (all around) numbers than Brunson lol. He was their defensive anchor and rebounder.
Cavs outrebounded Knicks ONLY ONCE !!! And we all know Cavs themselves have two very solid guys who can defend and rebound.

So, that's what i am aiming for this off season. Load up under the rim and wing with athletic guys, then go from there.

[Apz]

Absolutely zero intrest of dlo above mle money, and would prefer to not have him at all but at that money u can reroute him hopefully. Such an awful player

[Mavrelous]

Knicks won with defense and rebounding, they got all key rebounds and packed the paint against non shooting Cavs, NBA execs sometimes make me wonder.

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Hypothetical on losing Irving. The key thing to avoid is the sign and trade because it ends up with LA sending back all their junk and that is not what we need. That would be a huge mistake because D Lo is not going to be someone we want to resign with a larger contract if anything he needs to take a major pay cut. He is a free agent so lets see who else wants him?

I like taking that money that gets liberated to find a center if we can get one without overspending in free agency.

Another must is get Zach Edey its only going to take a 2nd round pick so just do it go get a 2nd round pick that works and make it happen. A 7'4 back up center creates matchup problems for every team in the league and if he develops into a good starting option then that is a nice problem to have. If he can score and rebound like he did in college then what is bad about that? He appears to have better mobility than most guys his size that have come into the league. Develop him and worst case he is an asset to sell high on when he starts to show he can play some.

The 10th pick is easy enough to use if you want a SF /PF Taylor Hendricks to Gregory Jackson is the range of options. Taylor is the better option but GGJ may be a guy with higher upside as he may be 6'10 now and he is almost a year younger. You can drop down in the draft with other teams to get him and that makes adding Zach a lot easier to do. Taylor may not be available at 10 one mock I saw has him at 4.

Building through the draft is critical and especially if we lose Irving. That said I would still keep these picks if Irving stays because we can look to find a center with our expiring contracts that are usable. If we need to wait till the TDL to use them then that gives us plenty of time to develop the rookies and let them show us what they can do and then we can go after veterans. This way we carefully proceed to safely add talents as we can.

I think that a lot of teams with guys we want are still trying to make the playoffs and are not thinking they need to rebuild and so we need to see how that plays out and usually it becomes apparent by the TDL that rebuilding is the path they have chosen.

[BliscoSantos]

Hypothetical on losing Irving. The key thing to avoid is the sign and trade because it ends up with LA sending back all their junk and that is not what we need. That would be a huge mistake because D Lo is not going to be someone we want to resign with a larger contract if anything he needs to take a major pay cut. He is a free agent so lets see who else wants him?

I like taking that money that gets liberated to find a center if we can get one without overspending in free agency.

Another must is get Zach Edey its only going to take a 2nd round pick so just do it go get a 2nd round pick that works and make it happen. A 7'4 back up center creates matchup problems for every team in the league and if he develops into a good starting option then that is a nice problem to have. If he can score and rebound like he did in college then what is bad about that? He appears to have better mobility than most guys his size that have come into the league. Develop him and worst case he is an asset to sell high on when he starts to show he can play some.

The 10th pick is easy enough to use if you want a SF /PF Taylor Hendricks to Gregory Jackson is the range of options. Taylor is the better option but GGJ may be a guy with higher upside as he may be 6'10 now and he is almost a year younger. You can drop down in the draft with other teams to get him and that makes adding Zach a lot easier to do. Taylor may not be available at 10 one mock I saw has him at 4.

Building through the draft is critical and especially if we lose Irving. That said I would still keep these picks if Irving stays because we can look to find a center with our expiring contracts that are usable. If we need to wait till the TDL to use them then that gives us plenty of time to develop the rookies and let them show us what they can do and then we can go after veterans. This way we carefully proceed to safely add talents as we can.

I think that a lot of teams with guys we want are still trying to make the playoffs and are not thinking they need to rebuild and so we need to see how that plays out and usually it becomes apparent by the TDL that rebuilding is the path they have chosen.

Zach Edey is not made for the NBA...Mavs had Boban who's more skilled than him and how did he fare against teams(he was a liability on D)..Players in the NBA are a lot more skilled and athletic than college players ...Mavs need athletic Players not Just big

I agree with the 10th pick the Mavs should take Hendricks(although he might not be available at that Point) or GG(trade with the team that drafts him and get an additional asset)

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Hypothetical on losing Irving. The key thing to avoid is the sign and trade because it ends up with LA sending back all their junk and that is not what we need. That would be a huge mistake because D Lo is not going to be someone we want to resign with a larger contract if anything he needs to take a major pay cut. He is a free agent so lets see who else wants him?

If Kyrie says he wants to sign with Lakers, they could try S&T to easily get some players back. Obviously if you count on free agency, you let him walk for nothing but then you risk of having another Brunson fiasco.

Rui and Vando are not junk to me, you just need to find something to match salaries. We don't know what Lakers contract situations will be, so it's a bit premature to talk about this. So far, the only guys who would really interest me are those two i already mentioned but (as of right now) they are around 30-35M below what Lakers would need to send back.

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I would be okay with Rui he is a free agent and if Irving is gone I would target Rui for sure but as a free agent not as part of a sign and trade offer. The only other decent LA FA is D Lo and at the rate of pay he gets now that is not a good option for us. We already have Luka Hardy and Wright as PG's that can create and distribute and maybe an undrafted free agent like Nunez would be worth a 2 way.

Zach is scoring 20 + ppg and and has a lot more atheltic ability than Boban who we got when he was old already because he came into the league late like I think he was 27 when he started playing in the NBA. Zach stayed in college till his junior year so he is old for a prospect but only about to turn 21.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

Compare his highlights to the highlights of other bigs he gets compared to and I see a little Shaq in his game as well.

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we need to add Boban as a player coach for Zach

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as a point of referrence

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https://www.si.com/nba/draft/draft-pick-tracker/a-comprehensive-guide-to-the-mavericks-future-draft-picks

[Apz]

A someone said, if the center cant switch he is not joining mavs. Mavs wont rebuild their defense from scratch

[Teffer10]

A someone said, if the center cant switch he is not joining mavs. Mavs wont rebuild their defense from scratch

That's why we need Lively in this draft.

One of his strengths is his ability to switch out on smaller players and at 7'1 with a 7'8 ws and decent athleticism, he is exactly what this team is starving for and someone Kidd would play.
Edey would never see the court with Kidd.

If Hendricks or Dick isnt there when we pick, we should definitely consider trading back and take Lively.

[BliscoSantos]

I would be okay with Rui he is a free agent and if Irving is gone I would target Rui for sure but as a free agent not as part of a sign and trade offer. The only other decent LA FA is D Lo and at the rate of pay he gets now that is not a good option for us. We already have Luka Hardy and Wright as PG's that can create and distribute and maybe an undrafted free agent like Nunez would be worth a 2 way.

Zach is scoring 20 + ppg and and has a lot more atheltic ability than Boban who we got when he was old already because he came into the league late like I think he was 27 when he started playing in the NBA. Zach stayed in college till his junior year so he is old for a prospect but only about to turn 21.

https://www.tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

Compare his highlights to the highlights of other bigs he gets compared to and I see a little Shaq in his game as well.

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

we need to add Boban as a player coach for Zach

Watch on YouTube

as a point of referrence

I'm really not that impressed by the highlights...you do realize that the NBA has the Best athletes in the world(top of the game)...most college players don't even become proffesionals...i don't think he'll be able to Play the pace of the NBA

[BliscoSantos]

A someone said, if the center cant switch he is not joining mavs. Mavs wont rebuild their defense from scratch

That's why we need Lively in this draft.

One of his strengths is his ability to switch out on smaller players and at 7'1 with a 7'8 ws and decent athleticism, he is exactly what this team is starving for and someone Kidd would play.
Edey would never see the court with Kidd.

If Hendricks or Dick isnt there when we pick, we should definitely consider trading back and take Lively.

If Hendricks is gone I'd trade down to GG Jackson

[Mavrelous]

Dillon Brooks you are a Dallas Maverick!

[Forbes]

Dillon Brooks you are a Dallas Maverick!

We’ve been needing an antagonist like him or Pat Bev.

The only problem with Brooks is he can’t shoot and doesn’t see himself as a 3 and D player. If we sign him it has to be for the LOW and he has to show improvements. Grizzlies just gave every team that speaks to him a ton of leverage lol. He might even be worse in the locker room than we actually know about.