Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[Hello Brooklyn]

This. Hoping that Simmons amounts to anything is a pipedream.

Marks traded for two worthless first rounders, 2 journeymen, and an albatross contract.

Great job, huh

Yeah ok. As if Simmons being hurt last year means he can never play again.

He will come back strong next year. We saw plenty of flashes next season.

Either way we are stuck with his contract and have to make it work.

The problem was that Marks brought in Simmons to help Ky and KD. He was thinking that while PHI Simmons had flaws, KD and Ky had the talent to mask them.

Those 2 are gone now. So PHI Simmons is no longer an acceptable standard for Ben. In order to help this current team significantly, Ben has to be better than he ever was. Almost 0 chance of that happening.

Phi Simmons was still a great player. He was a bad fit with Embiid.

[MrDollarBills]

idk why you're so optimistic about Ben but I hope you're right, but right now he's the worst contract in the league until further notice. He hasn't produced and he seems like he doesn't even care about ball anymore, he's just happy collecting them fat checks. Even if he does come back fully healthy, he's still a very flawed player and I don't see that changing. If we can move him in a solid deal we're much better off doing that. For 37-40M dollars we can have like 2-3 players with that price that fits the team better.

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

I would wager that Simmons is done with the NBA once this contract ends. He'll probably become a full time Call of Duty streamer. I'm not even joking.

[KnixtapeH20]

Yeah he is flowed player and definitely overpaid. But there are lots of them out there. Only difference between Rudy Gobert and Ben Simmons is that one healthy and the other is not. There's lot of overpaid players that cannot even sniff the court, Bertans, Fournier to name couple. We can do much worse than Ben.

Bottom line here. He needs to be healthy. He definitely rushed his comeback. He needed to sit out better half of the year, maybe even entire year. Look at MPJ and amount of time he had to miss. Looks good now.

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

I would wager that Simmons is done with the NBA once this contract ends. He'll probably become a full time Call of Duty streamer. I'm not even joking.

I'm fkn dead does he really go in like that?

[MrDollarBills]

What's your hope that Ben Simmons turns back into and what have u seen that warrants that hope? Or is it just hope?

It wouldn't surprise me if he was out of the league in a few years... It's just not there mentally. I think he's an incredibly weak fragile player that really let those playoffs effect him. I mean it did a number on him

I would wager that Simmons is done with the NBA once this contract ends. He'll probably become a full time Call of Duty streamer. I'm not even joking.

I'm fkn dead does he really go in like that?

100% serious. He's a CoD addict.

[KnixtapeH20]

I would wager that Simmons is done with the NBA once this contract ends. He'll probably become a full time Call of Duty streamer. I'm not even joking.

I'm fkn dead does he really go in like that?

100% serious. He's a CoD addict.

Ben Simmons or Kevin Knox who yall got

[ecuhus1981]

I think that our first priority should be to acquire a top tier talent. We aren't the only star hunters, so we may need to part with several youth assets. It'll be worth it.

Second priority should be to flip Simmons. Ideally, you knock out 2 birds with one stone. But I wouldn't fumble negotiations for a star by pushing a team to absorb Ben. If he has to rot on our payroll, so be it, we can get creative around his salary for the short term. And heck, even if he doesn't play the 23-24 season at all, his value will at least be less negative this time next summer.

After that, we're going to need to improve on the margins of our rotation with cheap, useful veterans.

I think we're a major move away from being a dark horse in the East. A lot will be our of our control: whether MIL blows it up after falling this postseason. Whether PHI retains James. Whether BOS gives Jaylen the super max, IF he's eligible. All we can do is keep building.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think our first priority should be to move up in the draft and/or acquire future 1st rounders by moving DFS and O’Neale.

Keep Simmons until there’s a reason to trade him. Don’t pay top dollar to move his contract now.

Gather assets to be used when the next generation of stars start to request trades.

[Marvin Martian]

I think our first priority should be to move up in the draft and/or acquire future 1st rounders by moving DFS and O’Neale.

Keep Simmons until there’s a reason to trade him. Don’t pay top dollar to move his contract now.

Gather assets to be used when the next generation of stars start to request trades.

We do not control our draft picks. Gathering weak assets while our best asset (All star Bridges on a 4 year role player contract) is depreciating is dumb. You are not building a contender with Bridges + another Star on max deals

The best time to build a contender for this franchise is right now. The only question should be is who to target.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

I think our first priority should be to move up in the draft and/or acquire future 1st rounders by moving DFS and O’Neale.

Keep Simmons until there’s a reason to trade him. Don’t pay top dollar to move his contract now.

Gather assets to be used when the next generation of stars start to request trades.

We do not control our draft picks. Gathering weak assets while our best asset (All star Bridges on a 4 year role player contract) is depreciating is dumb. You are not building a contender with Bridges + another Star on max deals

The best time to build a contender for this franchise is right now. The only question should be is who to target.

We have a similar plan actually, maybe I wasn’t clear. My goal is to acquire 2 stars who are better than Bridges and compete for a championship starting in 2025 or 2026.

1. Gather assets and focus on the draft this off season. This is necessary because the new CBA is very unforgiving to high salary teams, which makes it a must to have impact players on rookie deals. I also anticipate top 10 stars hitting the trade market and fierce competition to trade for them.

2. Keep the long term cap clear except for Johnson, Bridges, Claxton and rookies.

3. In 2024 and 2025 multiple stars will become free agents, which means multiple stars will likely demand trades or look for a change in scenery.

3a. Trade for a youngish star using the assets we have and the ones we acquire. Dream scenario is Luka or Giannis.

3b. Sign another star in free agency 2024 or preferably 2025. Dream scenario is Siakam in 2024 or Giannis/Tatum/Ingram/Mitchell/Makkanen/Jamal Murray in 2025.

Only move Simmons if we know a player is signing in 2024, otherwise let him expire in 2025 or use his expiring contract to match salary in a trade.

[MaxZaslofskyJr]

prefer watching the game to playing cap-ologist or amateur GM. Here is a random thought tho'. To go "all in" is laudable. It shows courage. To do it every time because you have a couple of high cards that you don't want to waste... kind of silly. Pick your spots. Play the long game if you have to.

[vincecarter4pres]

prefer watching the game to playing cap-ologist or amateur GM. Here is a random thought tho'. To go "all in" is laudable. It shows courage. To do it every time because you have a couple of high cards that you don't want to waste... kind of silly. Pick your spots. Play the long game if you have to.

That’s the thing. We do not control our picks, but we do have a ton of lightly protected and unprotected future picks from other teams right when they should be falling off.

We do have some great 3&D wings, all younger.

We have a perfect 3rd best player in Bridges who can be 2nd best depending who is 1.

We have a young athletic, low usage big man, who is a very high level defender.

But I’m just agreeing with you, don’t have to rush because Bridges is only semi-young. They should make opportunistic low cost deals to improve as long as they are cap responsible.

Besides that you wait for a guy like Luka, Ja, Giannis, Jaylen Brown, etc. to become available, whether trade or free agency.

Trade up in the draft if the cost makes sense and they see a guy whose a true franchise cornerstone, like Dallas did for Luka.

But rushing and wasting all assets again would be foolish.

Maybe a move or two for a Trae Young, or KAT makes sense too, but it cannot be at the cost of all the picks, all the cap space, all the young guys and needed role players.

You only trade the motherlode for a select handful of guys.

[GTR11]

Unless player ranked in top ten you don't waist picks to aquire him. Than again most of the time top 5 franchise players leave during FA. They know teams will sacrifice entire team and assets in order to get them, that's why they wait till FA.

Right now, we have to wait for Ben to get healthy. If he can get back to being borderline all star again, than we in business.

I'd love to get Scoot or Hendricks in this year's draft. Both going to be all stars for years to come. Scoot on Ja level already, some say he can reach prime D. Rose level. I won't disagree with them. He will be top ten player for years to come.

[NetsWorld]

prefer watching the game to playing cap-ologist or amateur GM. Here is a random thought tho'. To go "all in" is laudable. It shows courage. To do it every time because you have a couple of high cards that you don't want to waste... kind of silly. Pick your spots. Play the long game if you have to.

That’s the thing. We do not control our picks, but we do have a ton of lightly protected and unprotected future picks from other teams right when they should be falling off.

We do have some great 3&D wings, all younger.

We have a perfect 3rd best player in Bridges who can be 2nd best depending who is 1.

We have a young athletic, low usage big man, who is a very high level defender.

But I’m just agreeing with you, don’t have to rush because Bridges is only semi-young. They should make opportunistic low cost deals to improve as long as they are cap responsible.

Besides that you wait for a guy like Luka, Ja, Giannis, Jaylen Brown, etc. to become available, whether trade or free agency.

Trade up in the draft if the cost makes sense and they see a guy whose a true franchise cornerstone, like Dallas did for Luka.

But rushing and wasting all assets again would be foolish.

Maybe a move or two for a Trae Young, or KAT makes sense too, but it cannot be at the cost of all the picks, all the cap space, all the young guys and needed role players.

You only trade the motherlode for a select handful of guys.

Luka and Brown would be obvious number 1 targets. Trae Young would be a number two option; if you get Luka/Trae, Trae can focus on facilitating while Luka can focus on scoring, which he loves to do. Luka/Young/Bridges is very dynamic and would be a huge feat in retooling this team. Jaylen Brown/Young/Bridges is another one I would salivate at.

[TheNetsFan]

I think our first priority should be to move up in the draft and/or acquire future 1st rounders by moving DFS and O’Neale.

Keep Simmons until there’s a reason to trade him. Don’t pay top dollar to move his contract now.

Gather assets to be used when the next generation of stars start to request trades.

We do not control our draft picks. Gathering weak assets while our best asset (All star Bridges on a 4 year role player contract) is depreciating is dumb. You are not building a contender with Bridges + another Star on max deals

The best time to build a contender for this franchise is right now. The only question should be is who to target.

We have a similar plan actually, maybe I wasn’t clear. My goal is to acquire 2 stars who are better than Bridges and compete for a championship starting in 2025 or 2026.

1. Gather assets and focus on the draft this off season. This is necessary because the new CBA is very unforgiving to high salary teams, which makes it a must to have impact players on rookie deals. I also anticipate top 10 stars hitting the trade market and fierce competition to trade for them.

2. Keep the long term cap clear except for Johnson, Bridges, Claxton and rookies.

3. In 2024 and 2025 multiple stars will become free agents, which means multiple stars will likely demand trades or look for a change in scenery.

3a. Trade for a youngish star using the assets we have and the ones we acquire. Dream scenario is Luka or Giannis.

3b. Sign another star in free agency 2024 or preferably 2025. Dream scenario is Siakam in 2024 or Giannis/Tatum/Ingram/Mitchell/Makkanen/Jamal Murray in 2025.

Only move Simmons if we know a player is signing in 2024, otherwise let him expire in 2025 or use his expiring contract to match salary in a trade.

Unless a young franchise cornerstone like Luka is on the trade block, we need to be patient. The next two seasons will be about development & positioning ourselves for 2025. 2025 is the year we should expect splashes. From a cap perspective, the ideal is to sign a FA first & then trade for a star. To be able to sign a max FA in 2025 means one of Johnson or Claxton likely has to be moved ahead of '25 free agency. Given Marks' history, I expect both to be re-signed, and he'll make the decision to trade one at the '24 deadline or '25 offseason.

Despite not having out pick in the (weak) 2024 draft, don't be shocked if we cash out on good, expiring players like Royce and Dinwiddie this off-season or at the deadline.

[Eatgreenz]

What do yall think of Jaleen Green. Looks like the rockets are making him attainable.

[TheBrooklynKidd]

We do not control our draft picks. Gathering weak assets while our best asset (All star Bridges on a 4 year role player contract) is depreciating is dumb. You are not building a contender with Bridges + another Star on max deals

The best time to build a contender for this franchise is right now. The only question should be is who to target.

We have a similar plan actually, maybe I wasn’t clear. My goal is to acquire 2 stars who are better than Bridges and compete for a championship starting in 2025 or 2026.

1. Gather assets and focus on the draft this off season. This is necessary because the new CBA is very unforgiving to high salary teams, which makes it a must to have impact players on rookie deals. I also anticipate top 10 stars hitting the trade market and fierce competition to trade for them.

2. Keep the long term cap clear except for Johnson, Bridges, Claxton and rookies.

3. In 2024 and 2025 multiple stars will become free agents, which means multiple stars will likely demand trades or look for a change in scenery.

3a. Trade for a youngish star using the assets we have and the ones we acquire. Dream scenario is Luka or Giannis.

3b. Sign another star in free agency 2024 or preferably 2025. Dream scenario is Siakam in 2024 or Giannis/Tatum/Ingram/Mitchell/Makkanen/Jamal Murray in 2025.

Only move Simmons if we know a player is signing in 2024, otherwise let him expire in 2025 or use his expiring contract to match salary in a trade.

Unless a young franchise cornerstone like Luka is on the trade block, we need to be patient. The next two seasons will be about development & positioning ourselves for 2025. 2025 is the year we should expect splashes. From a cap perspective, the ideal is to sign a FA first & then trade for a star. To be able to sign a max FA in 2025 means one of Johnson or Claxton likely has to be moved ahead of '25 free agency. Given Marks' history, I expect both to be re-signed, and he'll make the decision to trade one at the '24 deadline or '25 offseason.

Despite not having out pick in the (weak) 2024 draft, don't be shocked if we cash out on good, expiring players like Royce and Dinwiddie this off-season or at the deadline.

The beauty of Bridges’ contract is that he makes less than $25 million for the next 3 seasons.

This means in 2025, when the cap is at 160 million or so, we should be able to have max space and retain Johnson, Claxton, Bridges and multiple rookie scale contracts.

We should even have enough space if we were to trade one of Claxton or Johnson for a max star the year before.

I agree that we should be patient and wait for the big fish.

[GTR11]

What do yall think of Jaleen Green. Looks like the rockets are making him attainable.

Very intriguing and tempting to be honest. Thing is, it's hard to see him being good fit next to Ben. He has no reliable jump shot and needs space to be effective. He also lacks court vision thus makes him very limited player for a guard position. With all that said, he learned how to draw fouls and run PnR's for favorable match ups. Depending what asking price is, I'm not against it.

I'd love to dump Din and Joe contracts to them too. Will open up close to 40m. Houston has 75m in cap space to work with this off-season. Won't mind sending CamJ, Joe and a pick there to get Green.

Houston along with Mavs, Tragic and Portland I keep an eye on. Them teams got some cap space, lotto pick and in need of players we can provide.

[GTR11]

We do not control our draft picks. Gathering weak assets while our best asset (All star Bridges on a 4 year role player contract) is depreciating is dumb. You are not building a contender with Bridges + another Star on max deals

The best time to build a contender for this franchise is right now. The only question should be is who to target.

We have a similar plan actually, maybe I wasn’t clear. My goal is to acquire 2 stars who are better than Bridges and compete for a championship starting in 2025 or 2026.

1. Gather assets and focus on the draft this off season. This is necessary because the new CBA is very unforgiving to high salary teams, which makes it a must to have impact players on rookie deals. I also anticipate top 10 stars hitting the trade market and fierce competition to trade for them.

2. Keep the long term cap clear except for Johnson, Bridges, Claxton and rookies.

3. In 2024 and 2025 multiple stars will become free agents, which means multiple stars will likely demand trades or look for a change in scenery.

3a. Trade for a youngish star using the assets we have and the ones we acquire. Dream scenario is Luka or Giannis.

3b. Sign another star in free agency 2024 or preferably 2025. Dream scenario is Siakam in 2024 or Giannis/Tatum/Ingram/Mitchell/Makkanen/Jamal Murray in 2025.

Only move Simmons if we know a player is signing in 2024, otherwise let him expire in 2025 or use his expiring contract to match salary in a trade.

Unless a young franchise cornerstone like Luka is on the trade block, we need to be patient. The next two seasons will be about development & positioning ourselves for 2025. 2025 is the year we should expect splashes. From a cap perspective, the ideal is to sign a FA first & then trade for a star. To be able to sign a max FA in 2025 means one of Johnson or Claxton likely has to be moved ahead of '25 free agency. Given Marks' history, I expect both to be re-signed, and he'll make the decision to trade one at the '24 deadline or '25 offseason.

Despite not having out pick in the (weak) 2024 draft, don't be shocked if we cash out on good, expiring players like Royce and Dinwiddie this off-season or at the deadline.

I think it's all but guaranteed that we move Din with Joe this off-season in order to pay CamJ. As MDB said, Houston looking to resign FatBoy and get experienced two way player like CamJ. I won't mind helping them in that department. Flipping CamJ for Green is very intriguing. I'd even look to expend it, if Houston willing to part ways with that #2 pick. I'd love to get Scoot or Miller in this draft ( will give up anyone for Scoot, beside Bridges anyone for Miller ).

Really hard to predict what will be happening in Dallas. Luka just resigned but they brought Kyrie on themselves. We already seen how they went from 4th seed to top 10 lotto pick. It'll be hard to trade for Luka. Mavs will ask for your soul.

This next two off-seasons will be crazy. So much options with so many good/great players coming up. Marks collected good amount of assets and we will have cap space to work with.

[Eatgreenz]

What do yall think of Jaleen Green. Looks like the rockets are making him attainable.

Very intriguing and tempting to be honest. Thing is, it's hard to see him being good fit next to Ben. He has no reliable jump shot and needs space to be effective. He also lacks court vision thus makes him very limited player for a guard position. With all that said, he learned how to draw fouls and run PnR's for favorable match ups. Depending what asking price is, I'm not against it.

I'd love to dump Din and Joe contracts to them too. Will open up close to 40m. Houston has 75m in cap space to work with this off-season. Won't mind sending CamJ, Joe and a pick there to get Green.

Houston along with Mavs, Tragic and Portland I keep an eye on. Them teams got some cap space, lotto pick and in need of players we can provide.

Yea if Cam J price is to high. Can see Marks asking for Jalen Green in a sign and trade

[Eatgreenz]

He gets one more shot with me. If its more of the same with his people he gotta go.

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