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Game 16: New York Knicks (8-8) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Sunday | 1:30 PM

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Post#121 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Nov 22, 2022 5:58 pm

Revived wrote:OT but speaking of KPJ’s immaturity, can you guys believe Josh Jackson is out of the NBA right now? Not one single team in the league think he’s worthwhile even on a bet min deal.

I mean he absolutely sucks (no idea why Pistons signed him to a 3 yr deal) but still wow.
I can believe it. I don't think I've ever been out on a pick as quickly as I was with Josh. Like 10 games into his rookie year I knew they were in trouble. He's just not really that good at ANYTHING.

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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-8) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Sunday | 1:30 PM 

Post#122 » by WeekapaugGroove » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:02 pm

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lilfishi22 wrote:Had no idea the amount of non-guarantees in KPJ's contract...really really odd for a young guy to accept that kind of deal. The headline figure of $82.5m seems like a lot but all but his 1st year is guaranteed which is beyond me why he would've accepted that.

I'm still not a big fan of his though.
The only way his immature ass was going to get that kind of number was with huge protection for the team. Actually thought it was a smart deal for both sides. It's never been a question of talent with him it's always been the attitude/mental side.

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I think it's a very pro-team contract. All the power is with the team with only minimal guarantees for the player. I don't think I've seen these kinds of deal, especially for a 22 year old kid with potential, in a while. Even a guy like Jonathan Isaacs who's been out for two years got more guaranteed money.

On the topic of 2019 draft picks, only just realised Jarret Culver is on a 2-way deal with the Hawks...Minny have a really bad draft record especially in the lottery and player development. Ant and KAT are obviously no brainers but they've just been really bad.

- They moved their '22 pick (who's playing decent rotation minutes for Grizz) for Kessler Edwards and TyTy Washingston and then moved Edwards in a package for Gobert lol
- We know they moved they moved up to get Culver and gave up CamJo and Dario lol
- Drafted Okogie
- Drafted Lauri Markkanen to include him in a package alongside their lotto pick from the previous season (Kris Dunn) and Lavine for a season of Jimmy Butler
- Drafted Kris Dunn
- Drafted Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, Rubio/Flynn in the same draft lol
Oh yeah it's VERY team friendly but I don't think he gets anywhere near that per year amount of he hit RFA. So as long as he keeps his head straight it ends up a good deal for him too.

I read one GM say pre draft his interview was the worst they had ever conducted. He got cut a year into his career. Dude has some major baggage.

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Post#123 » by Ghost of Kleine » Tue Nov 22, 2022 6:17 pm

Not to rehash old argument points or be a revisionist on this, But for my part, I would still ask to that specific situation:

1- Who had final say on such decisions and upon reflection of the innumerable reports of Savers' iron fisted megalomatic controlling nature and meddling in all personnel decisions.

2- Who had correlative business interests/ incentive with the Arizona boosters/ Arizona alumni with such a decision to draft a player from that very university conveniently??

3- who ( upon research) promoted/ pursued bringing in Kokoskov as coach during that time.

4- what was that infamous animated argument about between Saver and McDonough shortly after the draft?

For the record, I'm not a McDonough apologist and still do like Ayton although I'm really disappointed and frustrated by his lackluster effort after getting paid. But I can't yet make any concrete determinations on the Ayton/ Doncic decision until I have those questions answered. Personally I lean towards the belief that Savers' ego wouldn't at all let his GM make such a big decision on our franchises first ever #1 pick. And I do believe that he exercised having the final say on drafting Ayton to Carter to his fellow Arizona Alumnis' and AZ boosters interests with underlying business interests effecting his decision.
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Post#124 » by sunsbg » Tue Nov 22, 2022 10:08 pm

Concerns about athleticism and defense are the main reasons Doncic was not Nr1 pick, not even Nr2 pick, and why best players in EL Micic and Vezenkov are not in NBA right now. Doubt many expected he would compensate the lack of athleticism with strength and score so much inside. Dragan Bender could've also helped a bit.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-8) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Sunday | 1:30 PM 

Post#125 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:41 am

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Revived wrote:I know it can be said in any draft but Fox one pick after and Markannen 3 picks after…ouch.

And that son of a **** McDonough still has the audacity to act like he was some brilliant GM on Twitter.


I was thinking the other day about how when we were making a finals run he was tweeting about how good Booker, Bridges and Ayton were doing, and then when people ask him about Luka he tries to act as if he didn't get a chance to see him insinuating it somehow wasn't his fault. Like a GM couldn't see him at all. Heck, all we had to know was limited games killing the 2nd best league in the world at 17, winning it all and being MVP, etc. It wasn't rocket science.

Damn he said that? I didn’t even see that but it doesn’t surprise me coming from him.

Igor Kokoskov, the Suns HC at the time, said in the last year or before that when asked if he had lobbied the Suns to take Luka or not and he basically said something like “I can sleep happy knowing I tried to get them to choose the right player” or something like that.


I can't remember what he says, but he likes to take credit for the team getting to the finals and him drafting the 3 guys and then when asked about Luka kind of tries to play it off like he wasn't able to see him...which is a joke. It was obvious he wanted Ayton all along...or perhaps another big with a later pick. He flat out said in a conference he will be taking a big. He even tried to use "Booker and Josh Jackson wanted him" as another reason as if that mattered. Anyway, McD sucks.
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-8) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Sunday | 1:30 PM 

Post#126 » by bwgood77 » Wed Nov 23, 2022 12:47 am

Ghost of Kleine wrote:Not to rehash old argument points or be a revisionist on this, But for my part, I would still ask to that specific situation:

1- Who had final say on such decisions and upon reflection of the innumerable reports of Savers' iron fisted megalomatic controlling nature and meddling in all personnel decisions.

2- Who had correlative business interests/ incentive with the Arizona boosters/ Arizona alumni with such a decision to draft a player from that very university conveniently??

3- who ( upon research) promoted/ pursued bringing in Kokoskov as coach during that time.

4- what was that infamous animated argument about between Saver and McDonough shortly after the draft?

For the record, I'm not a McDonough apologist and still do like Ayton although I'm really disappointed and frustrated by his lackluster effort after getting paid. But I can't yet make any concrete determinations on the Ayton/ Doncic decision until I have those questions answered. Personally I lean towards the belief that Savers' ego wouldn't at all let his GM make such a big decision on our franchises first ever #1 pick. And I do believe that he exercised having the final say on drafting Ayton to Carter to his fellow Arizona Alumnis' and AZ boosters interests with underlying business interests effecting his decision.


I don't know why it always comes here. McD wanted Ayton. It couldn't have been more obvious. Did Sarver prefer Ayton to Doncic? There is a good chance he did, or he could have been fine with either. It was reported by Rusilo that Sarver was enamored with Doncic and him and Jones went to see him...McD didn't bother (and of course he could have gone if he wanted).

Now nothing being guaranteed and McD pressing on for Ayton, Sarver and Jones signed off on the deal (it was reported they all 3 agreed on pick). So Sarver could have been fine with either or preferred Ayton. McD made it obvious he preferred Ayton at the time.

People just came out later saying stuff regarding the UA connection, etc, and all that...just the same types of rumors we all buy.

As a UofA fan, I can tell you right now, if you watched Ayton at UofA, you would certainly have many hesitations about taking Ayton #1.

I also got the feel when Rusilo said Sarver was enamored with him that it made him think of Nash, with the playmaking, and also Dragic, given they played together, etc...Sarver LOVED those guys. McD wasn't involved with them outside of pissing off Dragic and seemingly always wanting to get rid of him anyway, obviously preferring Bledsoe.
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Post#127 » by DRK » Tue May 2, 2023 3:45 am

Im convinced Monty has no idea how to coach.
Lee in, Durant as a spot up 3 point shooter on most possessions. What is going on.

Might as well have kept Mikal and Cam if KD stands in the corner most of the game
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Post#128 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue May 2, 2023 5:15 am

DRK wrote:Im convinced Monty has no idea how to coach.
Lee in, Durant as a spot up 3 point shooter on most possessions. What is going on.

Might as well have kept Mikal and Cam if KD stands in the corner most of the game


How did you manage to post in a game thread from 3 months ago? Hehe
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Post#129 » by DRK » Tue May 2, 2023 5:31 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
DRK wrote:Im convinced Monty has no idea how to coach.
Lee in, Durant as a spot up 3 point shooter on most possessions. What is going on.

Might as well have kept Mikal and Cam if KD stands in the corner most of the game


How did you manage to post in a game thread from 3 months ago? Hehe


Oops, I thought it was the current game thread. For some reason this game thread is cached in my google chrome...
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Post#130 » by Revived » Tue May 2, 2023 6:18 am

SunsRback4Good wrote:
DRK wrote:Im convinced Monty has no idea how to coach.
Lee in, Durant as a spot up 3 point shooter on most possessions. What is going on.

Might as well have kept Mikal and Cam if KD stands in the corner most of the game


How did you manage to post in a game thread from 3 months ago? Hehe

How true everything in that post was though…
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Re: Game 16: New York Knicks (8-8) @ Phoenix Suns (9-6) | Sunday | 1:30 PM 

Post#131 » by SunsRback4Good » Tue May 2, 2023 6:38 am

Revived wrote:
SunsRback4Good wrote:
DRK wrote:Im convinced Monty has no idea how to coach.
Lee in, Durant as a spot up 3 point shooter on most possessions. What is going on.

Might as well have kept Mikal and Cam if KD stands in the corner most of the game


How did you manage to post in a game thread from 3 months ago? Hehe

How true everything in that post was though…


Everything you said was spot on. :(

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