Let's create a BLACKLIST on players who you don't want for Mavs

Apz · Post #21 » by **Apz** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 12:13 am

So many that i cant even write them all down. But guys like gobeft randle conley. Basicly any that is on the way down, if on a big contract its even worse. Lets face it, 5 1sts isnt enough to take on gobert in a bertans swap. I were so happy when minny traded for him so i would no longer see any gobert to mavs threads, but here we are again

Teffer10 · Post #22 » by **Teffer10** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 7:54 am

daoneandonly wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:This is easy for me because I have said this on this, and other boards many times for several years.

"I never want to see Westbrook, Harden, and/or Irving on the back of a Mavs uniform"

Are you back on the no Irving train? Seemed like you may have warmed up to him.

I'd add both Morris brothers (punks), Vuc (age, contract expectations,and defense), Duncan Robinson, Tyler Herro, DAngelo Russel, and Gobert (contract, age, attitude)

I've got no problem with Kyrie as a player but I know he'll lose interest in BB 5 mins after he signs that contract. I'm on the go young train and build around Luka/Hardy/Green and whomever we pick in this draft.

Unfortunately we have Cuban as an owner who will always be in win-now mode no matter how much destruction it does to the longterm welfare of this team. Making drastic moves out of desperation like the Kyrie trade takes us backwards.

Several of us saw this coming when the trade was made and now Cuban will make the situation worse by giving him whatever he wants. The disastrous end to our season didnt surprise me because the same would have happened if we would have traded for Harden or Westbrook. Those 3 are the biggest cancers to teams and Cuban basically just gave up decent assets in order to inflict cancer on this team. The worst part is that Cuban has no choice but to resign Kyrie now. That will go down as one of the worst trades in Mavs history.

daoneandonly · Post #23 » by **daoneandonly** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:26 am

Teffer10 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:This is easy for me because I have said this on this, and other boards many times for several years.

"I never want to see Westbrook, Harden, and/or Irving on the back of a Mavs uniform"

Are you back on the no Irving train? Seemed like you may have warmed up to him.

I'd add both Morris brothers (punks), Vuc (age, contract expectations,and defense), Duncan Robinson, Tyler Herro, DAngelo Russel, and Gobert (contract, age, attitude)

I've got no problem with Kyrie as a player but I know he'll lose interest in BB 5 mins after he signs that contract. I'm on the go young train and build around Luka/Hardy/Green and whomever we pick in this draft.

Unfortunately we have Cuban as an owner who will always be in win-now mode no matter how much destruction it does to the longterm welfare of this team. Making drastic moves out of desperation like the Kyrie trade takes us backwards.

Several of us saw this coming when the trade was made and now Cuban will make the situation worse by giving him whatever he wants. The disastrous end to our season didnt surprise me because the same would have happened if we would have traded for Harden or Westbrook. Those 3 are the biggest cancers to teams and Cuban basically just gave up decent assets in order to inflict cancer on this team. The worst part is that Cuban has no choice but to resign Kyrie now. That will go down as one of the worst trades in Mavs history.

Couldn't have said it better myself. It started with trading for KP and trading Barnes for no reason.

Only 2 points I respectfully disagree with you on is, I do have a problem with Kyrie the player and I don't think Green is a building block. Luka of course, Hardy, could be, let's hope

Darren · Post #24 » by **Darren** » Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:11 am

Cuban and Kidd.

Ni Da Ye · Post #25 » by **Ni Da Ye** » Wed Apr 26, 2023 2:01 am

Teffer10 wrote:
daoneandonly wrote:
Teffer10 wrote:This is easy for me because I have said this on this, and other boards many times for several years.

"I never want to see Westbrook, Harden, and/or Irving on the back of a Mavs uniform"

Are you back on the no Irving train? Seemed like you may have warmed up to him.

I'd add both Morris brothers (punks), Vuc (age, contract expectations,and defense), Duncan Robinson, Tyler Herro, DAngelo Russel, and Gobert (contract, age, attitude)

I've got no problem with Kyrie as a player but I know he'll lose interest in BB 5 mins after he signs that contract. I'm on the go young train and build around Luka/Hardy/Green and whomever we pick in this draft.

Unfortunately we have Cuban as an owner who will always be in win-now mode no matter how much destruction it does to the longterm welfare of this team. Making drastic moves out of desperation like the Kyrie trade takes us backwards.

Several of us saw this coming when the trade was made and now Cuban will make the situation worse by giving him whatever he wants. The disastrous end to our season didnt surprise me because the same would have happened if we would have traded for Harden or Westbrook. Those 3 are the biggest cancers to teams and Cuban basically just gave up decent assets in order to inflict cancer on this team. The worst part is that Cuban has no choice but to resign Kyrie now. That will go down as one of the worst trades in Mavs history.

Sir I 200% agree with you. Some of the Mavs fans just don't know it yet.

Apz · Post #26 » by **Apz** » Fri Apr 28, 2023 6:09 am

Also remove everyone thats not +/-3 years of luka

Post #27 » by **HMFFL** » Tue May 2, 2023 6:30 pm

Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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41Dirk41 · Post #28 » by **41Dirk41** » Tue May 2, 2023 7:01 pm

HMFFL wrote:Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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I like him :oops:

Mr B · Post #29 » by **Mr B** » Tue May 2, 2023 9:49 pm

HMFFL wrote:Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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Why? He can play defense and might actually be a cheap signing.

BliscoSantos · Post #30 » by **BliscoSantos** » Wed May 3, 2023 11:36 am

Apz wrote:So many that i cant even write them all down. But guys like gobeft randle conley. Basicly any that is on the way down, if on a big contract its even worse. Lets face it, 5 1sts isnt enough to take on gobert in a bertans swap. I were so happy when minny traded for him so i would no longer see any gobert to mavs threads, but here we are again

Randle's been prety damn good and his contract is not that bad...if the Mavs traded for him when his value was down they'd actually be in the playoffs and not on vacation...sure they wouldn't have Kyrie bit they,,'d have more assets and valuable(expiring) contracts to trade

BliscoSantos · Post #31 » by **BliscoSantos** » Wed May 3, 2023 11:36 am

41Dirk41 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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I like him

He sucks and he wants 25mio :lol:

41Dirk41 · Post #32 » by **41Dirk41** » Wed May 3, 2023 5:52 pm

BliscoSantos wrote:
41Dirk41 wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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I like him

He sucks and he wants 25mio

He doesn't suck, he is a good role player.

Of course he doesn't deserve 25mio.

Post #33 » by **HMFFL** » Wed May 3, 2023 10:47 pm

Mr B wrote:
HMFFL wrote:Dillon Brooks. There's no reason to even bother with him.

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Why? He can play defense and might actually be a cheap signing.

Does he really play defense?

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Maverick41 · Post #34 » by **Maverick41** » Thu May 4, 2023 12:04 am

HMFFL wrote:Does he really play defense?

Yes. Yes he does. He's not as good on D as he probably thinks he is but he's a good defender that is very switchable because of his size. If you don't believe the eye test, feel free to check his advanced defensive stats which are pretty good. Ex. he actually has a higher defensive rating then Mikal Bridges and KCP (doesn't sound right but but it is). And he guards the best guard or wing every game so it's not skewed.

I don't blame anyone here for not wanting him because of his terrible shot selection and antics but the guy would help the defense on this team. It's hard not to since it's not like the D can get any worse.

Archx · Post #35 » by **Archx** » Thu May 4, 2023 12:36 am

To me, Brooks is like that guy in class who thinks he's the smartest but can't get a single positive grade. Just a wannabe thug. Draymond knew 100% what he was talking about.

For career, -3.8 BPM and -4.6 VORP

Playoffs.

His 39% TS make Westbrook look like Reggie Miller.

-0.4 OWS, 0.1 DWS, -0.3 WS, -0.082 WS/48, -6.1 OBPM, -1.9 DPBM, -8.2 BPM, -0.2 VORP = Almost the worst stats on entire team

-10.4 ON/Off. -11.4 NETrtg, -7.3 +/- (worst on team).

Opponents also shot 54% vs him in direct matchup.

Maverick41 · Post #36 » by **Maverick41** » Thu May 4, 2023 1:09 am

Archx wrote:To me, Brooks is like that guy in class who thinks he's the smartest but can't get a single positive grade. Just a wannabe thug. Draymond knew 100% what he was talking about.

For career, -3.8 BPM and -4.6 VORP

Playoffs.

His 39% TS make Westbrook look like Reggie Miller.

-0.4 OWS, 0.1 DWS, -0.3 WS, -0.082 WS/48, -6.1 OBPM, -1.9 DPBM, -8.2 BPM, -0.2 VORP = Almost the worst stats on entire team

-10.4 ON/Off. -11.4 NETrtg, -7.3 +/- (worst on team).

Opponents also shot 54% vs him in direct matchup.

Not sure where you got all your stats but I applaud the effort and thanks for sharing. It's certainly interesting.

Let's look at his most recent matchup with Lebron just for fun. Lebron averaged 22 ppg on 48/20/67 shooting splits, primarily guarded by Brooks. Not let's put this in perspective, if this was Bullock, Green, THJ, Holiday or any other wing on the Mavs, do we honestly believe that someone could have done better? Lebron probably would have averaged 30 ppg easily with all the small wings we throw at him.

Not advocating for us to sign Brooks but all I'm saying is he has value. If the decision was up to me, I'd rather not have him. I don't enjoy the way he plays both on and off the court and as a fan it's exhausting. I think we have enough drama already with Kyrie's off court stuff and then Luka's never ending battle with the refs. But if Nico was somehow able to snag him for cheap, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

dirkules_41 · Post #37 » by **dirkules_41** » Thu May 4, 2023 4:49 am

This thread is pretty much just there so I can reply "Dillon Brooks".

SOUNDCHASER · Post #38 » by **SOUNDCHASER** » Thu May 4, 2023 5:50 am

LOL how convenient, right. I must concur wholeheartedly.

We may not need another SF if we draft right and if we add the right guys in the draft that will dictate who and what we need to pursue in free agency and or in trades.

He is only trying hard on defense because he has to in order to get any playing time since he cannot hit 3 pointers well enough.

41Dirk41 · Post #39 » by **41Dirk41** » Thu May 4, 2023 8:09 am

Archx wrote:To me, Brooks is like that guy in class who thinks he's the smartest but can't get a single positive grade. Just a wannabe thug. Draymond knew 100% what he was talking about.

For career, -3.8 BPM and -4.6 VORP

Playoffs.

His 39% TS make Westbrook look like Reggie Miller.

-0.4 OWS, 0.1 DWS, -0.3 WS, -0.082 WS/48, -6.1 OBPM, -1.9 DPBM, -8.2 BPM, -0.2 VORP = Almost the worst stats on entire team

-10.4 ON/Off. -11.4 NETrtg, -7.3 +/- (worst on team).

Opponents also shot 54% vs him in direct matchup.

That's all right... His ego is his big problem.

But with a better shooting selection and another mindset he should very useful.

But i think he is a lost case.

dirkules_41 · Post #40 » by **dirkules_41** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:42 am

SOUNDCHASER wrote:LOL how convenient, right. I must concur wholeheartedly.

We may not need another SF if we draft right and if we add the right guys in the draft that will dictate who and what we need to pursue in free agency and or in trades.

He is only trying hard on defense because he has to in order to get any playing time since he cannot hit 3 pointers well enough.

No offense, no defense and **** af attitude. I mean he does sound like someone Cuban and Kidd would throw a massive deal at...