Bam since becoming a starter (4 years) vs Bosh Heat tenure (6 years)

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I do not have to look at data to know that Bosh was better. Heat win 0 Champs without him.

OP did all the homework to back up his claim.

You on the other hand, "didn't have to look at data", and with a bad ass "Heat win 0 without Bosh" statement, came in like a boss.

This has been the common theme on the debate. It stemmed from the Heat forum and I brought it over here because they wanted more opinions. Both here and the Heat forum everyone was saying things like “easily Bosh” like it’s a laughable discussion but I have yet to see 1 poster give a legit take and back that take with numbers in Boshs favor. You’d think it’d be easier to prove if that were the case.

It seems Bam was legit better at everything outside of shooting 16+ feet out and while people will say Bosh was the better scorer, he still scored less on worse efficiency as Bam in a similar role and that was with 2 elite talents and playmakers in LeBron and Wade taking all the pressure off him

[goodboys lats]

Bosh was ganeplanned for more offensively and pulled out his defender due to his jump shot. Bam plays more or able traditional center role so his efficiency should be higher. Bosh was a solid defender on a very good defense. Bam is a top 5 guy on defense. I don't think either one runs away with it which is why championships usually ends up being the tiebreaker.

[Effigy]

I would say Bam is a better third best player for a good team, and Bosh is probably a better 2nd best player.

[LarsV8]

Bosh was an offensive alpha who quarterbacked Toronto to numerous elite offenses, which is absurd considering his support was Jose Calderon and Bargnani. Literally top 5-10 every year. Plummeted after he left.

Then he slotted right in as a complimentary piece on the Heatles, and was a key piece to their defensive scheme as an elite pNr defender, winning multiple championships. This is on top of 11 all star appearances, literally an all star in every year he played, starting in year 3.

Bam, on the other hand, is a real nice complimentary player.

It's completely different tiers of players.

[JnewFTW]

I'll be the first to say Bosh was kind of a disappointment for me. He was pretty underwhelming much of my time watching him play in a Heat uniform. I still respect him for taking a step back and doing the dirty work, but I honestly thought he would be more effective when he joined Miami.

This isn't to diminish him, he was a great player, but he was arguably a top 10 NBA player at least in his last year in Toronto. I think he's remembered more favorably because it was such a memorable era of Heat basketball, and they won a couple chips.

Bam is the better overall player, despite some of the frustrating things he does.

[payton2kemp]

Chris Bosh and it shouldn't be close.

[Enso]

Chris Bosh and it shouldn't be close.

I give the edge to bosh but the shouldn’t be close part is false.

OP has shown that Bam has been able to essentially score at the same clip but with better efficiency. Bosh took way more long twos which are way less efficient so makes sense that his efficiency would be lower.

What I’d like to know is how much has this new era benefited bam in terms of scoring and efficiency. I don’t have the data or ability to show how his numbers would be inflated but maybe someone else here does. I constantly hear “numbers are inflated nowadays” but have yet to see a way to calculate or see how numbers would compare from different eras, taking inflation into account.

[Blazing_royale]

Bosh. No way Bam could be a focal point and carry a team.

[Diop]

Bosh sacrificed so much to help that heat team win. He could’ve carried so much more of the scoring load but they used him more to spread the floor

[Trey24]

I do not have to look at data to know that Bosh was better. Heat win 0 Champs without him.

OP did all the homework to back up his claim.

You on the other hand, "didn't have to look at data", and with a bad ass "Heat win 0 without Bosh" statement, came in like a boss.

This has been the common theme on the debate. It stemmed from the Heat forum and I brought it over here because they wanted more opinions. Both here and the Heat forum everyone was saying things like “easily Bosh” like it’s a laughable discussion but I have yet to see 1 poster give a legit take and back that take with numbers in Boshs favor. You’d think it’d be easier to prove if that were the case.

It seems Bam was legit better at everything outside of shooting 16+ feet out and while people will say Bosh was the better scorer, he still scored less on worse efficiency as Bam in a similar role and that was with 2 elite talents and playmakers in LeBron and Wade taking all the pressure off him

You are forgetting the fact that Bosh was the constant scapegoat and still was professional throughout, and also ALWAYS showed up in the playoffs and adapted/sacrificed his game to compliment the team. Bam and Bosh are not in the same tier, regardless of what the data shows, which as I have stated previously I am not well-versed on them.

I like Bam a lot and are nowhere near a hater, but Bosh's tenure is more impressive to me.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

OP did all the homework to back up his claim.

You on the other hand, "didn't have to look at data", and with a bad ass "Heat win 0 without Bosh" statement, came in like a boss.

This has been the common theme on the debate. It stemmed from the Heat forum and I brought it over here because they wanted more opinions. Both here and the Heat forum everyone was saying things like “easily Bosh” like it’s a laughable discussion but I have yet to see 1 poster give a legit take and back that take with numbers in Boshs favor. You’d think it’d be easier to prove if that were the case.

It seems Bam was legit better at everything outside of shooting 16+ feet out and while people will say Bosh was the better scorer, he still scored less on worse efficiency as Bam in a similar role and that was with 2 elite talents and playmakers in LeBron and Wade taking all the pressure off him

You are forgetting the fact that Bosh was the constant scapegoat and still was professional throughout, and also ALWAYS showed up in the playoffs and adapted/sacrificed his game to compliment the team. Bam and Bosh are not in the same tier, regardless of what the data shows, which as I have stated previously I am not well-versed on them.

I like Bam a lot and are nowhere near a hater, but Bosh's tenure is more impressive to me.

That first part also describes Bam unfortunately

[aj174]

Well here's the thing with Bosh that most don't realize. He was a 24/10 player on the Raptors the year before the Heat, and then had to learn how to be a 3rd option, an effective one at that, which actually isn't as easy as it seems. He made a lot of sacrifices to his game for the betterment of the team and learned how to win, while also being a guy who can be game planned for.

Bam is good, better defender, better rebounder, although it's close cause Bosh was a great defensive rebounder. He wouldn't have given up like 5 offensive boards to Hartenstein today

Bosh had a better face up game and a much quicker first step, and his PnR defense was underrated. Also to add he had a butter midrange shot and was developing his 3 ball when not every big was shooting them. Put Bosh instead of Bam today and suddenly the Heat have a go to option in the closing minutes of game 2 instead of passing around and not getting any good looks.

[celticfan42487]

I do not have to look at data to know that Bosh was better. Heat win 0 Champs without him.

OP did all the homework to back up his claim.

You on the other hand, "didn't have to look at data", and with a bad ass "Heat win 0 without Bosh" statement, came in like a boss.

I mean I have lived it and watched them both on that team haha data is in my DNA I guess LOL

Yup, huge wall of text with something you wouldn't have to ask if you watch the players play.

Bam isn't in the 3rd option role on a similar team either. So it's a bit apples to oranges in just about every possible level.

But in the end Bosh is just a much better player when he joined the Heat and was consider a top 10 player to build a franchise around due to his youth and accomplishments (not a top 10 player just top 10 to build around). Bam never will reach his heights even if Bosh being a team player reduced his offensive role infinitely so Wade and LeBron can shine.

[aj174]

Chris Bosh and it shouldn't be close.

I give the edge to bosh but the shouldn’t be close part is false.

OP has shown that Bam has been able to essentially score at the same clip but with better efficiency. Bosh took way more long twos which are way less efficient so makes sense that his efficiency would be lower.

What I’d like to know is how much has this new era benefited bam in terms of scoring and efficiency. I don’t have the data or ability to show how his numbers would be inflated but maybe someone else here does. I constantly hear “numbers are inflated nowadays” but have yet to see a way to calculate or see how numbers would compare from different eras, taking inflation into account.

Bam averages good numbers on a balanced playoff team alongside Butler and a bunch of shooters, in an era where more points are scored

Bosh averaged even better numbers on weak Raptor teams that it's 2nd best player was Jose Calderon, and Bosh was game planned for every single possession, yet he still put up 22/8 - 24/10 consistently, in an era where not as many points were scored.

Also another thing about Bosh is that he was elite at getting to the foul line, he could draw fouls and would be one of the tops in the league at that. You can give him the ball, he can shoot, pass it out, or drive and either go for the layup with either hand, or get the contact and hit FTs at a 80% clip

[dshearn]

I love both of the players, but if I could only choose one to be on my team in their prime...its Bosh all the way.

He is easier to build around, has more on offense and was still a reliable defender.

Bam is a better facilitator, and a better defender 1-4.

TBH Bam would be a much better 3rd wheel on the Lebron James era heat, and Bosh would be much better second option with Jimmy...

[3ballbomber]

Op's a known Bam homer. Talks about & defends him all day (look joined date & how many posts accumilated). He doesn't represent us real Heat fans. If Bam left he'd follow. He actually embarrasses us. Good ya'll proved him wrong (although he'll be in pure denial as expected). He was hesitant to post this on main board as he was comfortable trying to control the narrative & what stats or argument cld be used in Heat forum. Hopefully he'll shut up now as his irritating the board w/ incessant wild delusion & bias. .

Pretty sure he also has this as a poster in his room

[cam24thomas]

Bosh would have scored 25ppg during his prime if he didn't have to play with LeBron.
He scored 24ppg in his last year at Toronto, so he'd probably score 25-30ppg in today's shooting era which suits him better than any other center/pf in the NBA today.

[BBallFreak]

Heat fan, here. Watched them both play in Miami.

As others have said, Bam isn't close to Bosh. Fine player, don't get me wrong, but Bosh completely sublimated his game to LBJ and Wade. This is just who Bam is - nice third option, great defender, but really not much else.

Bosh changed his game to fit what Miami needed. Miami's been trying to get Bam to be more aggressive and a better shooter since he came. Bosh thrived as a first option. Bam struggles as a second option.

[JustLucky]

Jesus I been following the and cheering for the heat because of lowry. but bam has the be one of the most overated players. I cringe everytime he touches the ball. I think you could easily replace bam

[BBallFreak]

Jesus I been following the and cheering for the heat because of lowry. but bam has the be one of the most overated players. I cringe everytime he touches the ball. I think you could easily replace bam

In fairness, no you couldn't. He's still one of the most versatile defenders in the game, he still has a fantastic handle and great court vision, and he'll still get you solid counting stats. How skillset is unique.

That being said, if you're talking about the counting stats you're 100% correct. He's frustrating to watch at times, too, because when he's aggressive he's a lot better. He just doesn't have it in him to be as aggressive as he should be all the time.