2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[Fo-Real]

Who’s starting for CP3 in Game 3?


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If that happens, im gonna need a new tv!!! I will ELVIS my TV if they do that!!!

[WeekapaugGroove]

I hope Landry hits like 8 3s tonight just because it would be funny.

Note, I can't stand him either but I do feel like the hate is a bit over the top since EVERYONE not named Devin deserves some heat for the past two games.

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[spanishninja]

I hope Landry hits like 8 3s tonight just because it would be funny.

Note, I can't stand him either but I do feel like the hate is a bit over the top since EVERYONE not named Devin deserves some heat for the past two games.

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well I think even Landry is good enough to make 8 3s in an empty gym

[sunskerr]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

[King4Day]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

If we get bounced in this round, I believe this team will look vastly different next year, than it does right now.
Lakers are a good example that a few tweaks here and there can turn the team around.

[sunskerr]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

If we get bounced in this round, I believe this team will look vastly different next year, than it does right now.
Lakers are a good example that a few tweaks here and there can turn the team around.

It just depends on what comes back for Ayton and Paul. We don't have any picks which is devastating. I think it will look different but if it's actually enough to make a difference, who knows. Really splitting Ayton into two players is the only chance we have. I don't think Paul really will get much, if anything. Although based on his decline, even getting just a rotation level guy who isn't a sieve defensively might be worth it.

[enigmatics]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

If he's still on the Suns at the start of the '23/'24 season it tells me JJ is not the guy to get the rest of the roster over the hump post-KD trade. I will be really pissed off.

[WeekapaugGroove]

I love CP and will always remember what he meant to this organizations turn around from the dark times but yeah it's time to go in another direction next year. Father time is undefeated.

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[Puff]

If we would have kept both Mikal and Cam Johnson we still would still have some of the same issues that we currently have. Cam probably will cost around $20 mil +this off season to keep. So KD's salary is about the same as both of those guys. We would still be far over the salary cap so we would be limited to how much we could spend to improve our bench.

We still would have far too much money invested in our first four/five guys so we would not be able to improve our bench via free agency.

The two players that are not performing up to their salaries CP3 and Ayton would not and are not tradeable for much if anything.

We would have draft choices, but we would have to get lucky to find a really good addition via the draft. I agree it is better than where we are but not great.

The biggest elephant in the room is really the NBA players association. They and the owners have agreed to allow far too much of the salary cap to be eaten up by the star players. This didn't use to be that way. We used to see teams with a solid starting five and good benches. Unless you have most or your guys on rookie contracts you cannot add anyone worth a crap unless you get lucky.

Due to this. Is our best move in the off season to put together a deal similar to what the Lakers did with Westbrook? Could we trade KD for a package of 5 or 6 players who could really contribute?

He is our only tradeable piece, other than Booker, that cold yield anything of value in return.

We have not entered the off season yet, but the end seems to be near.

Go suns and please surprise me.

[spanishninja]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

yeah it's a shame cuz I don't want to see CP having to bounce to yet another team during his great career, but he is literally taking up space if we can't count on him as a starting point guard.

[Slim Charless]

If we would have kept both Mikal and Cam Johnson we still would still have some of the same issues that we currently have. Cam probably will cost around $20 mil +this off season to keep. So KD's salary is about the same as both of those guys. We would still be far over the salary cap so we would be limited to how much we could spend to improve our bench.

We still would have far too much money invested in our first four/five guys so we would not be able to improve our bench via free agency.

The two players that are not performing up to their salaries CP3 and Ayton would not and are not tradeable for much if anything.

We would have draft choices, but we would have to get lucky to find a really good addition via the draft. I agree it is better than where we are but not great.

The biggest elephant in the room is really the NBA players association. They and the owners have agreed to allow far too much of the salary cap to be eaten up by the star players. This didn't use to be that way. We used to see teams with a solid starting five and good benches. Unless you have most or your guys on rookie contracts you cannot add anyone worth a crap unless you get lucky.

Due to this. Is our best move in the off season to put together a deal similar to what the Lakers did with Westbrook? Could we trade KD for a package of 5 or 6 players who could really contribute?

He is our only tradeable piece, other than Booker, that cold yield anything of value in return.

We have not entered the off season yet, but the end seems to be near.

Go suns and please surprise me.

That's lunacy. We're not trading Kevin Durant. Especially since we got him like 90 days ago. Insane that you would even think that....and funny.

Your guy Monty though........how we feeling about him so far? Still thinking he's locked into this job for the foreseeable future.......?

[Slim Charless]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

If he's still on the Suns at the start of the '23/'24 season it tells me JJ is not the guy to get the rest of the roster over the hump post-KD trade. I will be really pissed off.

I think there's a good chance both will be here. As much as I talk about Presti, I don't really think JJ is getting fired this summer. Its too much to can him and Moronty.

Chris Paul has too much say and sway in the league to allow himself to be moved to some scrub team like the Pistons or Hornets. He was also key in helping get rid of $arver. I highly doubt Ish will repay that by shipping him off to NBA Siberia.

Our way to improve is to move DA for other team's distressed assets and gamble we can improve those players, change the coach and have Ishbia use his billions to buy us a few picks in the second round or maybe late 1st.

[enigmatics]

I think there's a good chance both will be here. As much as I talk about Presti, I don't really think JJ is getting fired this summer. Its too much to can him and Moronty.

Chris Paul has too much say and sway in the league to allow himself to be moved to some scrub team like the Pistons or Hornets. He was also key in helping get rid of $arver. I highly doubt Ish will repay that by shipping him off to NBA Siberia.

Our way to improve is to move DA for other team's distressed assets and gamble we can improve those players, change the coach and have Ishbia use his billions to buy us a few picks in the second round or maybe late 1st.

I'm not convinced DA is going to fetch the Suns enough. The Suns still have their 1st and 2nd rounders for 2024 - but really what kind of help are any players drafted in '24 and '25 going to provide - particularly late 1st rounders? Suns need guys to maximize the next 2-3 years of the Durant/Book era.

Paul is out of the league in one more year so is it really that consequential to him if he gets moved to a bad team?

[Slim Charless]

I think there's a good chance both will be here. As much as I talk about Presti, I don't really think JJ is getting fired this summer. Its too much to can him and Moronty.

Chris Paul has too much say and sway in the league to allow himself to be moved to some scrub team like the Pistons or Hornets. He was also key in helping get rid of $arver. I highly doubt Ish will repay that by shipping him off to NBA Siberia.

Our way to improve is to move DA for other team's distressed assets and gamble we can improve those players, change the coach and have Ishbia use his billions to buy us a few picks in the second round or maybe late 1st.

I'm not convinced DA is going to fetch the Suns enough. The Suns still have their 1st and 2nd rounders for 2024 - but really what kind of help are any players drafted in '24 and '25 going to provide - particularly late 1st rounders? Suns need guys to maximize the next 2-3 years of the Durant/Book era.

Paul is out of the league in one more year so is it really that consequential to him if he gets moved to a bad team?

I just don't see the reason for him to agree to it-and I think someone like him would have to agree to it for it to happen. He's gonna move on the other side of the country away from his wife and kids.....for what? That's part of the reason he wanted here in the 1st place, we're close to LA so he can still see them all the time. That's not happening in MI or NC. He has no reason to allow that kind of move or any motivation to go play in those crap cities. Maybe we can move to LAL so he can play with Bron....that's probably it. Unless they buy him out or something I guess. I'll still take him if we can get a young PG for him to mentor though.

As for DA. It is what it is. He's gotta go. Even if Monty was fired today it wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with others that he has 0 or negative value. He can be moved for other team's players that need a change in scenery. ATL/HOU/CHI/BRK all come to mind. He'll have a new home soon after this season I'm sure.

[enigmatics]

I just don't see the reason for him to agree to it-and I think someone like him would have to agree to it for it to happen. He's gonna move on the other side of the country away from his wife and kids.....for what? That's part of the reason he wanted here in the 1st place, we're close to LA so he can still see them all the time. That's not happening in MI or NC. He has no reason to allow that kind of move or any motivation to go play in those crap cities. Maybe we can move to LAL so he can play with Bron....that's probably it. Unless they buy him out or something I guess. I'll still take him if we can get a young PG for him to mentor though.

As for DA. It is what it is. He's gotta go. Even if Monty was fired today it wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with others that he has 0 or negative value. He can be moved for other team's players that need a change in scenery. ATL/HOU/CHI/BRK all come to mind. He'll have a new home soon after this season I'm sure.

Well then they better waive CP3 and stretch him - per Zimpy over in the TRADES AND TRANSACTIONS forum it creates an $11.5 MLE and a $4 million BAE.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2279296&p=105915041#p105911966

Then obviously they'll dangle DA for whatever they can get for him and I'm assuming 1 or 2 guys currently on the roster get carried over into next year.

Shamet's '24/'25 contact is not guaranteed and the following year is a club option. Wondering if they may FINALLY be able to rid themselves of him to a team looking to free up cap space. I feel a little better about all of it after talking out the options a bit more.

[ThatBoyNick]

How do y'all feel Biyombo would fair with a larger role, after watching him for the past couple of seasons?

Doing my off-season FA scour for Houston, Biyombo stands out as a potential player to split minutes with Sengun at C, bringing the defense/rim protection. Good or bad idea?

[Ghost of Kleine]

How do y'all feel Biyombo would fair with a larger role, after watching him for the past couple of seasons?

Doing my off-season FA scour for Houston, Biyombo stands out as a potential player to split minutes with Sengun at C, bringing the defense/rim protection. Good or bad idea?

He's decent for sure in small doses off the bench. But would honestly struggle in a larger role playing more minutes against starting level bigs. He's a quality bench big. But not a starter.

[Slim Charless]

I just don't see the reason for him to agree to it-and I think someone like him would have to agree to it for it to happen. He's gonna move on the other side of the country away from his wife and kids.....for what? That's part of the reason he wanted here in the 1st place, we're close to LA so he can still see them all the time. That's not happening in MI or NC. He has no reason to allow that kind of move or any motivation to go play in those crap cities. Maybe we can move to LAL so he can play with Bron....that's probably it. Unless they buy him out or something I guess. I'll still take him if we can get a young PG for him to mentor though.

As for DA. It is what it is. He's gotta go. Even if Monty was fired today it wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with others that he has 0 or negative value. He can be moved for other team's players that need a change in scenery. ATL/HOU/CHI/BRK all come to mind. He'll have a new home soon after this season I'm sure.

Well then they better waive CP3 and stretch him - per Zimpy over in the TRADES AND TRANSACTIONS forum it creates an $11.5 MLE and a $4 million BAE.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2279296&p=105915041#p105911966

Then obviously they'll dangle DA for whatever they can get for him and I'm assuming 1 or 2 guys currently on the roster get carried over into next year.

Shamet's '24/'25 contact is not guaranteed and the following year is a club option. Wondering if they may FINALLY be able to rid themselves of him to a team looking to free up cap space. I feel a little better about all of it after talking out the options a bit more.

I'm fine with all of that. I'd like to add some more attitude and grit. Grant Williams and NBA villain dillion brooks will come cheaper. Let's get both of them if possible

[Ghost of Kleine]

I think there's a good chance both will be here. As much as I talk about Presti, I don't really think JJ is getting fired this summer. Its too much to can him and Moronty.

Chris Paul has too much say and sway in the league to allow himself to be moved to some scrub team like the Pistons or Hornets. He was also key in helping get rid of $arver. I highly doubt Ish will repay that by shipping him off to NBA Siberia.

Our way to improve is to move DA for other team's distressed assets and gamble we can improve those players, change the coach and have Ishbia use his billions to buy us a few picks in the second round or maybe late 1st.

I'm not convinced DA is going to fetch the Suns enough. The Suns still have their 1st and 2nd rounders for 2024 - but really what kind of help are any players drafted in '24 and '25 going to provide - particularly late 1st rounders? Suns need guys to maximize the next 2-3 years of the Durant/Book era.

Paul is out of the league in one more year so is it really that consequential to him if he gets moved to a bad team?

I just don't see the reason for him to agree to it-and I think someone like him would have to agree to it for it to happen. He's gonna move on the other side of the country away from his wife and kids.....for what? That's part of the reason he wanted here in the 1st place, we're close to LA so he can still see them all the time. That's not happening in MI or NC. He has no reason to allow that kind of move or any motivation to go play in those crap cities. Maybe we can move to LAL so he can play with Bron....that's probably it. Unless they buy him out or something I guess. I'll still take him if we can get a young PG for him to mentor though.

As for DA. It is what it is. He's gotta go. Even if Monty was fired today it wouldn't make a difference. I don't agree with others that he has 0 or negative value. He can be moved for other team's players that need a change in scenery. ATL/HOU/CHI/BRK all come to mind. He'll have a new home soon after this season I'm sure.

You make great points theoretically as always man! And I love your insight . But I think the thing about moving Paul to either Miami or to Charlotte is honestly that both Paul and the receiving team would understand at this point in his career, the team that trades for him would most likely intend to waive him for the 15 million in cap savings in contrast to the outgoing matching salaries. So he'd likely just be able to sign on with the flakers or another team of his choosing similarly to what Westbrook did after getting bought out/ waived. Now Charlotte isn't hurting for cap space, and would probably prefer Ayton. But Paul's partial guarantee could get them off of Rozier's long term deal OR maybe even 15 million in savings for Hayward coming back instead, and really, we could use either as depth upgrades at this point. And with Miami, A clear cut deal of Paul/ Shamet for Lowry/ Robinson would save Miami around 20 million this coming season and a Shamet for Robinson swap also gets them free of Robinson's long term commitment. The savings from both would be very appealing to Miami to reduce their tax obligations, as well as free up money to resign key free agents like Strus, Vincent and Yurtseven. Miami for the total value of the savings could send back the 18th pick in the 2023 draft. Paul gets bought out and Joins Le' douche in La La Land!

The same conceptual theory could apply to Philly or Toronto, or possibly LA (Clippers) for the purpose of LT reductions. And Toronto to begin clearing space for Siakim's coming 24' supermax and Anunoby's max extension? Also, IF Toronto buys out Paul after, it benefits their tank (youth movement around Barnes, Siakim, Anunoby) better. Toronto would take Paul to get off of the player options of Van Vleet and Trent Jr? or some variation of salaries perhaps. Ultimately though, it's up to Jones to actually do his job well and get something impressive done! IF he's even capable of doing so!

[bwgood77]

Im not watching this team if CP3 is starting next year, sorry. That's 3/3 playoffs with him being injured and his impact gets worse each year. There are probably a billion PGs out there who can get you 13/7 with better defense.

If we get bounced in this round, I believe this team will look vastly different next year, than it does right now.
Lakers are a good example that a few tweaks here and there can turn the team around.

It looks vastly different than it did last year already. We don't have much to make it look too different. Ayton we probably shop. Shamet is worthless. I thought LA might want Paul if we'd take Westbrook, but they got better trades.

I don't see any team taking CP3 or us paying him $15 million not to play.

Mostly what we can do is trade Ayton for probably the type of packages I've posted in the past (not great ones) but could possibly get a decent C and PG.

Then outside of that it is swapping out minimum players or using tax MLE...which can't do too much.