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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#61 » by Murray_17 » Wed May 3, 2023 6:55 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:First, "how the game is actually played" is driven largely by emotion. When one team goes on a 16-0 run over another for example, the team experiencing the run didn't suddenly "get better" physically than the other team, to that degree. Those runs are almost always driven largely by then-current emotional factors in both teams.


Under this kind of argument everything is driven by emotion so nothing else matter.

Yes, a 16-0 run can be because a team feels good of someone catches fire, coaches still can adjust, call timeouts or double guys and stop runs. That's why the game bounces and emotions can bounce off of feedback too.

This is not the great argument you seem to think it is.

Ferry Avenue wrote:Second, emotional factors matter more than physical factors when physical factors are roughly equal between teams, as they are in the second round of the playoffs and beyond. At that point every playoff series and every game within every series has its own emotional narrative if you will, and that largely drives the outcome. Physical factors in the game are certainly important, but when physical factors are roughly equal they can't possibly determine the outcome between two teams.


How did you get to the "physical factors are equal" conclusion?

What if the team matches similarly on talent grounds but has different characteristics, for example in the Warrior/Lakers series the Lakers are long and athletic and the Warriors are fast and in constant motion. This mean both teams have to understand how to approach the game to exploit their advantages.

It's your argument that those things are equal just because of talent?

What a simplification. Saying things are equal is super easy if you don't even have to explain what it means

When you say stuff like this you only reinforce my impression about how you reach those conclusions because you don't want to analyze the game.

Ferry Avenue wrote:What you'll see tonight is a team whose physical play is driven to a high degree by its emotional motive not to lose two consecutive games on its own floor to start a playoff series. They'll play better than they usually do because they're driven by that motive -- and that's an emotional factor, not a physical one.


Saying this is like saying nothing my friend. Yeah, no one wants to be 0-2 in a playoffs series (big discovery...), but you cannot garantize they would play better because of that.

If they actually cannot play better then what? The Celtics like to shot 3s, what if they Shoot 20% today? they weren't emotionally strong enough?
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#62 » by Eyeamok » Wed May 3, 2023 7:05 pm

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Canadian6ersFan wrote:I hope Embiid sits this one. This game is a recipe for a worse injury, and we all know he's not 100%.

Boston will play super aggressive to not go down 0-2, Embiid will play aggressive because he's back and he's the MVP, and I can just see Mahcus Smahtass or some other doofus they got on that team trying to "accidentally" injure the big fella. It's the Saltics, afterall.

Take a couple more days and savor your moment, Joel. And then come out as the MVP at home in South Philly on Friday.


Boston coach be sending out whatever 10th/11th/12th men on the bench and telling them "SWEEP THE LEG"


You should have added a video for the younger fans here. But still an awesome post.

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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#63 » by Ferry Avenue » Wed May 3, 2023 7:12 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:First, "how the game is actually played" is driven largely by emotion. When one team goes on a 16-0 run over another for example, the team experiencing the run didn't suddenly "get better" physically than the other team, to that degree. Those runs are almost always driven largely by then-current emotional factors in both teams.


Under this kind of argument everything is driven by emotion so nothing else matter.

Yes, a 16-0 run can be because a team feels good of someone catches fire, coaches still can adjust, call timeouts or double guys and stop runs. That's why the game bounces and emotions can bounce off of feedback too.

This is not the great argument you seem to think it is.

Ferry Avenue wrote:Second, emotional factors matter more than physical factors when physical factors are roughly equal between teams, as they are in the second round of the playoffs and beyond. At that point every playoff series and every game within every series has its own emotional narrative if you will, and that largely drives the outcome. Physical factors in the game are certainly important, but when physical factors are roughly equal they can't possibly determine the outcome between two teams.


How did you get to the "physical factors are equal" conclusion?

What if the team matches similarly on talent grounds but has different characteristics, for example in the Warrior/Lakers series the Lakers are long and athletic and the Warriors are fast and in constant motion. This mean both teams have to understand how to approach the game to exploit their advantages.

It's your argument that those things are equal just because of talent?

What a simplification. Saying things are equal is super easy if you don't even have to explain what it means

When you say stuff like this you only reinforce my impression about how you reach those conclusions because you don't want to analyze the game.

Ferry Avenue wrote:What you'll see tonight is a team whose physical play is driven to a high degree by its emotional motive not to lose two consecutive games on its own floor to start a playoff series. They'll play better than they usually do because they're driven by that motive -- and that's an emotional factor, not a physical one.


Saying this is like saying nothing my friend. Yeah, no one wants to be 0-2 in a playoffs series (big discovery...), but you cannot garantize they would play better because of that.

If they actually cannot play better then what? The Celtics like to shot 3s, what if they Shoot 20% today? they weren't emotionally strong enough?
"Yeah, no one wants to be 0-2 in a playoffs series (big discovery...), but you cannot garantize they would play better because of that."

We virtually can. In the past three seasons of the NBA playoffs, home teams losing game 1 of a series have won game 2 on all 15 occasions and have covered the spread on 14 of those 15 occasions.

Based on recent NBA history alone, Boston has a 0% chance of losing and a 93% chance of covering.

Now, why do you suppose you'd find that degree of certainty almost nowhere else in the game? Because the teams playing game 2 at home after losing game 1 suddenly "got better" physically?

Of course not. The incredibly strong emotional motive of pride drives the bus on that.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#64 » by Murray_17 » Wed May 3, 2023 7:26 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:"Yeah, no one wants to be 0-2 in a playoffs series (big discovery...), but you cannot garantize they would play better because of that."

We virtually can. In the past three seasons of the NBA playoffs, home teams losing game 1 of a series have won game 2 on all 15 occasions and have covered the spread on 14 of those 15 occasions.

Based on recent NBA history alone, Boston has a 0% of losing and a 93% chance of covering.

Now, why do you suppose you'd find that degree of certainty almost nowhere else in the game? Because the teams playing game 2 at home after losing game 1 suddenly "got better" physically?

Of course not. The incredibly strong emotional motive of pride drives the bus on that.



This is not how statistics work, those are 45 series. A small sample

Why are you just using the 3 past seasons? it could be because there are teams that actually got to a 0-2 advantage away?

Moreover, you are making an inference with the data that is not possible to infer from your statistic, at all.

On equal conditions alone winning 2 games on a row should be a 0,25 chance coin flip. add to this home advantage, talent and seeding among several other factors, and the odds already diminish incredibly for road teams. So it's actually pretty normal to see a thing like a 0-2 advantage happens rarely without using pride, emotion, or narratives as arguments.

Let me say, i also find it super hilarious that you associate "certainty" with something as intangible as pride. This is literally Skip Bayless stuff.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#65 » by Kova » Wed May 3, 2023 7:37 pm

Damn, I've been watching Joel interviews on Youtube whole day, and then remembered - wait, we have a game tonight!

Not sure it's smart to play him after doing a full day of media and interviews, tbh... He needs some day rest and to get his head into the game too. Part of the game is get your head focused.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#66 » by Bum Adebayo » Wed May 3, 2023 7:41 pm

Kova wrote:Damn, I've been watching Joel interviews on Youtube whole day, and then remembered - wait, we have a game tonight!

Not sure it's smart to play him after doing a full day of media and interviews, tbh... He needs some day rest and to get his head into the game too. Part of the game is get your head focused.


Dude has been resting for almost 2 weeks now, cmon lol
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#67 » by Kova » Wed May 3, 2023 7:45 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Kova wrote:Damn, I've been watching Joel interviews on Youtube whole day, and then remembered - wait, we have a game tonight!

Not sure it's smart to play him after doing a full day of media and interviews, tbh... He needs some day rest and to get his head into the game too. Part of the game is get your head focused.


Dude has been resting for almost 2 weeks now, cmon lol


You obviously never played even a Sunday league game in your life.

There's a difference between physical rest and mental rest to get in your zone and come prepared and focused on the game.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#68 » by Sixerscan » Wed May 3, 2023 7:58 pm

Kova wrote:Damn, I've been watching Joel interviews on Youtube whole day, and then remembered - wait, we have a game tonight!

Not sure it's smart to play him after doing a full day of media and interviews, tbh... He needs some day rest and to get his head into the game too. Part of the game is get your head focused.


Media responsibilities is part of the gig, if you don’t want to deal with this stuff before a playoff game lose in the first round and run away to Serbia like Jokic did
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#69 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 3, 2023 8:03 pm

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Kova wrote:Damn, I've been watching Joel interviews on Youtube whole day, and then remembered - wait, we have a game tonight!

Not sure it's smart to play him after doing a full day of media and interviews, tbh... He needs some day rest and to get his head into the game too. Part of the game is get your head focused.


Media responsibilities is part of the gig, if you don’t want to deal with this stuff before a playoff game lose in the first round and run away to Serbia like Jokic did
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#70 » by sodmoraes » Wed May 3, 2023 8:35 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:Whether Embiid plays or not, Boston isn't going down 0-2 with two consecutive losses at home to start the series.

These are the kinds of games where personnel and Xs and Os hardly matter. Pride will prevail.


Thats why i think it would be better if Embiid would play only in game 3. Celtics are going wild this game,since is a must win, we will probably lose, with or without Embiid. Better give him some more days to rest, and he comes back playing at home.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#71 » by 76thBearCub » Wed May 3, 2023 8:39 pm

Maybe be plays limited minutes and acts as a decoy? Fairly concerned he wants to come out and validate the mvp honor.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#72 » by Negrodamus » Wed May 3, 2023 8:45 pm

I'm sorry, Jaylen Brown shot 80% from FG and Jayson Tatum shot 56% FG (80% from 3FG) last game and I'm to believe that Boston is going to put their foot down and guarantee a win tonight at home? If Embiid is feeling healthy and mobile, I have no problem believing the Sixers win this one.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#73 » by Arsenal » Wed May 3, 2023 9:19 pm

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Ferry Avenue wrote:Whether Embiid plays or not, Boston isn't going down 0-2 with two consecutive losses at home to start the series.

These are the kinds of games where personnel and Xs and Os hardly matter. Pride will prevail.


Thats why i think it would be better if Embiid would play only in game 3. Celtics are going wild this game,since is a must win, we will probably lose, with or without Embiid. Better give him some more days to rest, and he comes back playing at home.


There's also getting his conditioning back. No better way to do that than by playing in a real game. Playing is the right move assuming there's no risk of further injury.
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#74 » by Sixteen » Wed May 3, 2023 9:55 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I'm sorry, Jaylen Brown shot 80% from FG and Jayson Tatum shot 56% FG (80% from 3FG) last game and I'm to believe that Boston is going to put their foot down and guarantee a win tonight at home? If Embiid is feeling healthy and mobile, I have no problem believing the Sixers win this one.


Celtics fans keep saying sixers won't shoot like that again despite us being the best 3 shooting team in the league. My favorite is 'Harden had to have a career game' but then ignore Horford constantly having career games to beat us when they do lol
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#75 » by 76thBearCub » Wed May 3, 2023 10:20 pm

I've been conditioning myself all year not to care and im failing hard. Why
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#76 » by Arsenal » Wed May 3, 2023 10:24 pm

Embiid has been removed from the injury report on the ESPN link (see below). Earlier today he was listed as "GTD" - game time decision. So it looks like he's a go.

For Boston, Smart is still listed as GTD.

https://www.espn.com/nba/game/_/gameId/401545112
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#77 » by Ferry Avenue » Wed May 3, 2023 10:24 pm

Murray_17 wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:"Yeah, no one wants to be 0-2 in a playoffs series (big discovery...), but you cannot garantize they would play better because of that."

We virtually can. In the past three seasons of the NBA playoffs, home teams losing game 1 of a series have won game 2 on all 15 occasions and have covered the spread on 14 of those 15 occasions.

Based on recent NBA history alone, Boston has a 0% of losing and a 93% chance of covering.

Now, why do you suppose you'd find that degree of certainty almost nowhere else in the game? Because the teams playing game 2 at home after losing game 1 suddenly "got better" physically?

Of course not. The incredibly strong emotional motive of pride drives the bus on that.



This is not how statistics work, those are 45 series. A small sample

Why are you just using the 3 past seasons? it could be because there are teams that actually got to a 0-2 advantage away?

Moreover, you are making an inference with the data that is not possible to infer from your statistic, at all.

On equal conditions alone winning 2 games on a row should be a 0,25 chance coin flip. add to this home advantage, talent and seeding among several other factors, and the odds already diminish incredibly for road teams. So it's actually pretty normal to see a thing like a 0-2 advantage happens rarely without using pride, emotion, or narratives as arguments.

Let me say, i also find it super hilarious that you associate "certainty" with something as intangible as pride. This is literally Skip Bayless stuff.

What's just as intangible as pride is every playoff team's motive and drive to win the championship -- the thing they're all taking the court to try to accomplish. A purely emotional motive, devoid of anything physical. They're all chasing the feeling of winning it all.

Or is that "unreal" as well because it can't be measured?
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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#78 » by Arsenal » Wed May 3, 2023 10:25 pm

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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#79 » by eyeatoma » Wed May 3, 2023 10:33 pm

Looks like Jo is playing.

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Re: R2G2 - 76ers at Celtics - May 3 8:00pm ET TNT 

Post#80 » by Bum Adebayo » Wed May 3, 2023 10:49 pm

Well good luck to Joel with his injury, hope nothing wrong happens.

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