Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

last second dump off to the least selfish most cautious guy on the team it was just a bad break

replacing grayson with a gun isnt a fix. it most likely compounds all our issues. like literally if we move grayson we wont have a single guy on this roster besides maybe ingles.....that prefers to pass when their covered.

[RiotPunch]

I was literally just tinkering with a Portis/Allen for Dort/Wiggins idea.

I’ve been thinking about Dort a lot lately as either someone to target if we send Jrue out in a deal to get a better offensive guard, or as a Wes replacement in a smaller deal.

Getting Wiggins in this deal is really nice.

I do think both are bound to get a bit squeezed from the rotation with Jalen's emergence and getting Holmgren back. I wonder if Memphis would deal Tyus for Dort. He could be a lockdown wing for them to replace Brooks, without the antics. Tyus becomes our floor general and Wiggins gives us a 16 game 2-way wing.

MKE: Tyus, Wiggins
OKC: Portis, Allen
MEM: Dort

Idk... spitballing. Something like that would be a homerun on the fringes if we're gonna run it back. Would feel like doing right by Bobby-- go back close to home and be a starter.

[fansinceforever]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

He would've had a very good look at a floater that he didn't take and opted to Euro step past the buzzer. That's instincts although the "play random" coaching style obviously has flaws.

He's just not good when attacking the basket and and quite frankly neither is anyone on the Bucks other than Giannis and to an extent, Jrue.

I'm comfortable going with a guy that isn't as good of a regular season 3 PT shooter but is a triple threat to pass/drive/score.

[averageposter]

I am surprised there isn't some freaking out about Jrue saying he'd retire after this contract. Maybe people aren't taking that seriously, but from a team construction point, that is literally walking for nothing, no sign and trade, no last value contract etc. Think that narrows trades to one year rental for some other contender type value as well after this year.

[RiotPunch]

I am surprised there isn't some freaking out about Jrue saying he'd retire after this contract. Maybe people aren't taking that seriously, but from a team construction point, that is literally walking for nothing, no sign and trade, no last value contract etc. Think that narrows trades to one year rental for some other contender type value as well after this year.

Was a big topic a few days ago. Not great from a trade value standpoint, but also, yeah, kind of bull.

You really buy that extension-eligible Jrue won't be asking for one at some point this year? I don't.

[fansinceforever]

I am surprised there isn't some freaking out about Jrue saying he'd retire after this contract. Maybe people aren't taking that seriously, but from a team construction point, that is literally walking for nothing, no sign and trade, no last value contract etc. Think that narrows trades to one year rental for some other contender type value as well after this year.

Honestly, I can't **** believe he said that on a podcast. I legitimately wonder if he did it to lower his trade value because his family is settled in Milwaukee.

[averageposter]

You really buy that extension-eligible Jrue won't be asking for one at some point this year? I don't.

The fact that he could still pull major deal is a fair point, lots of money is well lots of money. The fact that I'm sure about everybody involved in the travesty of these playoffs feels pretty much like taking a break is another.

I do put some stock in Jrue being a lttle bit different, having taking the year off to face his wife's serious cancer scare, he just might value time more after all he's accomplished a lot of people do.

[MickeyDavis]

It was an end of a very disappointing season hot take.

[RiotPunch]

You really buy that extension-eligible Jrue won't be asking for one at some point this year? I don't.

The fact that he could still pull major deal is a fair point, lots of money is well lots of money. The fact that I'm sure about everybody involved in the travesty of these playoffs feels pretty much like taking a break is another.

I do put some stock in Jrue being a lttle bit different, having taking the year off to face his wife's serious cancer scare, he just might value time more after all he's accomplished a lot of people do.

I do think it was just an honest thought/answer. He is, by all accounts, a wonderful human being, husband, father, philanthropist, etc. I would imagine that after some thought and deliberation, he and Lauren might realize 3-4 more years out of his thirties in exchange for tens of millions for themselves/others might be okay.

[nagawicka]

Giannis, Khris, Brook, Jrue with a real PG would be **** tough.

Getting Dragic was imperative for the Finals Run tho

[DingleJerry]

Grayson not even getting a shot off to lose game 5 is emblematic of his Bucks career.

Solid regular season rotation played.

But the Bucks need better in the backcourt. That’s especially if Jrue is staying since he needs help on games when he turns into a pumpkin.

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

He would've had a very good look at a floater that he didn't take and opted to Euro step past the buzzer. That's instincts although the "play random" coaching style obviously has flaws.

He's just not good when attacking the basket and and quite frankly neither is anyone on the Bucks other than Giannis and to an extent, Jrue.

I'm comfortable going with a guy that isn't as good of a regular season 3 PT shooter but is a triple threat to pass/drive/score.

I have no idea how any of that has to do with 'playing random". Is "playing random" just something we assign to anything we don't like?

The way that phrase has caught on here as something to pick on is off base. All they meant by 'random' is to not play robotic and predictable. Adjust to the situation, what the D does, etc. Basically make the right read in the moment. Every basketball coach in the world thinks that is a good thing. Besides some set plays off timeouts and occasional things here and there teams aren't old school 1950s set offenses. And even those cases, if the D predicts or blows it up you have to 'play random' and adjust on the fly rather than going "no the D says I have go here and do this even if it makes no sense given what the D has done".

What the Spurs did in the early 2010s was playing random and that's why it was so impossible to defend, you never knew which way they were cutting/passing/moving. Teh problem with the Bucks isn't that "playing random" is bad, it's that they don't have the IQ players to do it well nor the ballhandlers to do it. Jrue kind of epitomizes it, he plays like a robot at times.

[yannisk]

Teh problem with the Bucks isn't that "playing random" is bad, it's that they don't have the IQ players to do it well nor the ballhandlers to do it. Jrue kind of epitomizes it, he plays like a robot at times.

Or that the coaching stuff has not worked the team enough so that it can play this style

[FrieAaron]

Teh problem with the Bucks isn't that "playing random" is bad, it's that they don't have the IQ players to do it well nor the ballhandlers to do it. Jrue kind of epitomizes it, he plays like a robot at times.

Or that the coaching stuff has not worked the team enough so that it can play this style

I just don't see how anyone can believe this. We see the team look like a well oiled machine, with lots of movement and passing. And then they just sort of decide to not do it anymore. Sometimes in the same game. Although like Jerry said, play random really isn't a style, it's just another way of saying keep the defense guessing.

[Badgerlander]

I was literally just tinkering with a Portis/Allen for Dort/Wiggins idea.

I’ve been thinking about Dort a lot lately as either someone to target if we send Jrue out in a deal to get a better offensive guard, or as a Wes replacement in a smaller deal.

Getting Wiggins in this deal is really nice.

I do think both are bound to get a bit squeezed from the rotation with Jalen's emergence and getting Holmgren back. I wonder if Memphis would deal Tyus for Dort. He could be a lockdown wing for them to replace Brooks, without the antics. Tyus becomes our floor general and Wiggins gives us a 16 game 2-way wing.

MKE: Tyus, Wiggins
OKC: Portis, Allen
MEM: Dort

Idk... spitballing. Something like that would be a homerun on the fringes if we're gonna run it back. Would feel like doing right by Bobby-- go back close to home and be a starter.

Memphis has Roddy, Ziaire, and LaRavia. I think it’s possible that they could package some players together to go after a veteran wing but with the success they had with Kennard in that spot I think they lean towards a better 3pt shooter than Dort. As much as I love me some Dort.

[DanoMac]

Thinking ATL/Khris might have mutual interest. Playing with this framework, albeit not the sexiest but maybe more realistic than how I've been thinking (would obviously hope we could get more, and for the record I would still rather trade Jrue):

MKE in: Hunter, Powell
ATL in: Middleton
LAC in: Capela

One of the better Khris ideas for sure

[DingleJerry]

Teh problem with the Bucks isn't that "playing random" is bad, it's that they don't have the IQ players to do it well nor the ballhandlers to do it. Jrue kind of epitomizes it, he plays like a robot at times.

Or that the coaching stuff has not worked the team enough so that it can play this style

I just don't see how anyone can believe this. We see the team look like a well oiled machine, with lots of movement and passing. And then they just sort of decide to not do it anymore. Sometimes in the same game. Although like Jerry said, play random really isn't a style, it's just another way of saying keep the defense guessing.

That's why I still think the team that lost to the Raps was their best team so far. More ballhandlers and very high IQ players in Hill, Brog. Bledsoe while not high IQ was another ballhandler. So that's a +2 on ballhandlers vs now (and both were probably better than any we have now). Ersan was really high IQ and got ball movement. That was their best looking offense with tons of ball movement and cutting. Then for some reason they just lost their mind at the worst time possible.

[LedZepp007]

Woah bye Bud


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[LedZepp007]

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[Iheartfootball]

Welcome Nick Nurse?

[LedZepp007]

I mean it’s terrible given his brother just died. I have somewhat mixed emotions. But, it had to happen.


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