Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

LittleRooster · Post #1061 » by **LittleRooster** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:55 pm

I feel very mixed about this

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packer396 · Post #1062 » by **packer396** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:56 pm

I think either Bud or personnel had to change this off-season. Unfortunately Bud was the easier move to make

LedZepp007 · Post #1063 » by **LedZepp007** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:56 pm

packer396 wrote:I think either Bud or personnel had to change this off-season. Unfortunately Bud was the easier move to make

I think both have to happen.

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DanoMac · Post #1064 » by **DanoMac** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:56 pm

I mean, after a collapse like that it had to be done, no matter the circumstances.

Bud can take the next year to grieve and mourn without any other priorities.

BMatt07 · Post #1065 » by **BMatt07** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:57 pm

I'll always be thankful for Bud bringing us a championship, but after that playoff loss it was time for a change.

Post #1066 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:58 pm

I put up a separate thread

WiscoKing13 · Post #1067 » by **WiscoKing13** » Thu May 4, 2023 9:59 pm

Top 3 will be Vogel/Nurse/Atkinson and probably interview Charles Lee. Doubt if they are bringing everyone back for the last 2 year run they would go with someone with no HC experience.

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LUKE23 · Post #1068 » by **LUKE23** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:03 pm

As long as Giannis is behind this move I'm good with it.

SirChurros · Post #1069 » by **SirChurros** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:03 pm

I’m actually really sad about this. I was a Bud guy. I get the move, but I’m going to be really surprised if someone else moves the needle anymore with the way the roster is constructed.

Post #1070 » by **MickeyDavis** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:07 pm

Please use the new thread

RiotPunch · Post #1071 » by **RiotPunch** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:26 pm

Not sure where to post this, but it probably signals a run it back approach with a new coach.

SupremeHustle · Post #1072 » by **SupremeHustle** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:27 pm

If Bud is looking to continue coaching next season, Detroit would be a great spot for him. They have some talent.

Badgerlander · Post #1073 » by **Badgerlander** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:28 pm

Don’t know why we would keep Horst

Milbucks96 · Post #1074 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:36 pm

GM’s usually get at least one coach firing before they’re on the hot seat. Don’t really see nothing that Horst did that would warrant him being fired anyway.

theFireBlanket · Post #1075 » by **theFireBlanket** » Thu May 4, 2023 10:37 pm

Milbucks96 wrote:GM’s usually get at least one coach firing before they’re on the hot seat. Don’t really see nothing that Horst did that would warrant him being fired anyway.

This is #2.

JayMKE · Post #1076 » by **JayMKE** » Thu May 4, 2023 11:37 pm

Horst def on to boil now, keep thinking about how he gave up five 2nds for Jae Crowder

Baddy Chuck · Post #1077 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Thu May 4, 2023 11:42 pm

Obviously we traded 5 seconds for him because we wanted him for a title run but knowing his whole thing with Phoenix was a salary dispute I wonder if we'll make an attempt to bring Crowder back under a new coach. If he bounces back a little he'd be a nice piece off the bench and/or another salary spot.

fansinceforever · Post #1078 » by **fansinceforever** » Thu May 4, 2023 11:48 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
fansinceforever wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:

Its more emblematic of the play random mentality when no one has poise, after a consecutive game of blowing a 4th quarter lead. Not completely sh---ing on that method but it has its flaws.

Khris should've gotten a look for himself if anything.

I was pissed at Grayson but he was a desperation dump off in a game of hot potato.

He would've had a very good look at a floater that he didn't take and opted to Euro step past the buzzer. That's instincts although the "play random" coaching style obviously has flaws.

He's just not good when attacking the basket and and quite frankly neither is anyone on the Bucks other than Giannis and to an extent, Jrue.

I'm comfortable going with a guy that isn't as good of a regular season 3 PT shooter but is a triple threat to pass/drive/score.

I have no idea how any of that has to do with 'playing random". Is "playing random" just something we assign to anything we don't like?

The way that phrase has caught on here as something pick on is something that is off base. All they meant by 'random' is to not play robotic and predictable. Adjust to the situation, what the D does, etc. Basically make the right read in the moment. Every basketball coach in the world thinks that is a good thing. Besides some set plays off timeouts and occasional things here and there teams aren't old school 1950s set offenses. And even those cases, if the D predicts or blows it up you have to 'play random' and adjust on the fly rather than going "no the D says I have go here and do this even if it makes no sense given what the D has done".

What the Spurs did in the early 2010s was playing random and that's why it was so impossible to defend, you never knew which way they were cutting/passing/moving. Teh problem with the Bucks isn't that "playing random" is bad, it's that they don't have the IQ players to do it well nor the ballhandlers to do it. Jrue kind of epitomizes it, he plays like a robot at times.

Trust me, I completely agree. We have a lot of low IQ and limited skill wise offensive players and the the system accentuated that. Getting rid of Bud is only the beggining of correcting what the true core of our offensive issues are.

jute2003 · Post #1079 » by **jute2003** » Thu May 4, 2023 11:52 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:GM’s usually get at least one coach firing before they’re on the hot seat. Don’t really see nothing that Horst did that would warrant him being fired anyway.

This is #2.

Kidd doesn't count. If anything, having the balls to can kidd when he did should give him even more rope.

Milbucks96 · Post #1080 » by **Milbucks96** » Thu May 4, 2023 11:55 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
Milbucks96 wrote:GM’s usually get at least one coach firing before they’re on the hot seat. Don’t really see nothing that Horst did that would warrant him being fired anyway.

This is #2.

Should’ve clarified that I meant in a “this ship is sinking” scenario. If I’m not mistaken, that was Horst first year and probably one of the first moves he actually made.