Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

PintSizedBox10 · Post #1081 » by **PintSizedBox10** » Fri May 5, 2023 12:00 am

Future Buck

Post #1082 » by **MickeyDavis** » Fri May 5, 2023 12:15 am

2018. New arena opened and new coach. So exciting. Then a championship. Now we're at a crossroads. Unknown new coach. Some tough personnel decisions to be made in the next 2 years.

0BobLobLaw0 · Post #1083 » by **0BobLobLaw0** » Fri May 5, 2023 12:17 am

MickeyDavis wrote:2018. New arena opened and new coach. So exciting. Then a championship. Now we're at a crossroads. Unknown new coach. Some tough personnel decisions to be made in the next 2 years.

Are you saying we need a new arena?

jakecronus8 · Post #1084 » by **jakecronus8** » Fri May 5, 2023 1:36 am

Bud is step one.

After getting the next guy they need to shake up the roster. Whether that’s going young or making the big go for it move (Khris+Jrue to third team for Dame assets) is yet to be seen but I can’t see running it back. Another year older. Just playing with fire.

BroncoBuck · Post #1085 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri May 5, 2023 1:51 am

I don’t think Giannis wins another title here.

Firing Bud after this season is terrible unless Lue is on the table.

Antinomy · Post #1086 » by **Antinomy** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:20 am

BroncoBuck wrote:I don’t think Giannis wins another title here.

Firing Bud after this season is terrible unless Lue is on the table.

I think he’ll have to embrace playing the 5 more & there needs to be lengthy 4 next to him.

Maybe Nurse figures out a way to hide Brook the same way Malone hides Jokic in PnRs.

Antinomy · Post #1087 » by **Antinomy** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:20 am

0BobLobLaw0 wrote:
MickeyDavis wrote:2018. New arena opened and new coach. So exciting. Then a championship. Now we're at a crossroads. Unknown new coach. Some tough personnel decisions to be made in the next 2 years.

Are you saying we need a new arena?

A new court will do.

Antinomy · Post #1088 » by **Antinomy** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:22 am

I think it’s safe to say the blue court + purple jersey combo needs to be sent straight to hell.

Surprised no one mentioned those as being a huge part of our meltdowns this year.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1089 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:23 am

BroncoBuck wrote:I don’t think Giannis wins another title here.

Firing Bud after this season is terrible unless Lue is on the table.

How much does the first sentence have to do with Bud (both from these past two years and not having him in the future)?

I think we missed our window. It's been known since the Jrue trade that we had a three year peak with dwindling chances after maxing out two aging borderline all stars who never sniff all-nba level. It was the simplest solution and it worked for a year but mortgaged our future.

Buck Dweller · Post #1090 » by **Buck Dweller** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:28 am

One of the things that doesn’t get mentioned enough as a water shed moment was the failed GM hire years back. Horst wasn’t even one of the candidates that was interviewed and Justin Zanik, who was favored by Lasry, has been a success with Ainge. Remember Edens was the only owner that attended Horst’s hiring event.

We’re 10 years in with LED and we still haven’t gotten a true GM. They need to hire a philosopher king POBO to carry out the coaching search

BroncoBuck · Post #1091 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri May 5, 2023 2:36 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:I don’t think Giannis wins another title here.

Firing Bud after this season is terrible unless Lue is on the table.

How much does the first sentence have to do with Bud (both from these past two years and not having him in the future)?

I think we missed our window. It's been known since the Jrue trade that we had a three year peak with dwindling chances after maxing out two aging borderline all stars who never sniff all-nba level. It was the simplest solution and it worked for a year but mortgaged our future.

I just think you don’t fire a top 2 tier coach if you aren’t replacing them with one of that caliber or higher.

Watch Bud go to Cleveland and completely elevate that team.

Nick Nurse is the most overrated coaching candidate I’ve seen in years. All these valuable players and his team is worse than the 8th seed or bust Bucks. Even this year our roster full of injured/old players managed to get the 1 seed with Bud at the helm.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #1092 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Fri May 5, 2023 3:33 am

I guess this is one good sign is the bucks aren't blowing it up. It might seem obvious but that repeater tax is no joke and owners could have easily decided they love money and went 'rebuild' while pocketing checks. You don't fire a coach with $16m on his contract if you are saving money.

Post #1093 » by **ReasonablySober** » Fri May 5, 2023 3:44 am

Buck Dweller wrote:One of the things that doesn’t get mentioned enough as a water shed moment was the failed GM hire years back. Horst wasn’t even one of the candidates that was interviewed and Justin Zanik, who was favored by Lasry, has been a success with Ainge. Remember Edens was the only owner that attended Horst’s hiring event.

We’re 10 years in with LED and we still haven’t gotten a true GM. They need to hire a philosopher king POBO to carry out the coaching search

Probably because of that thing where the Bucks won a title for the first time in most of our lifetimes. Horst and Bud were excellent hires. There is absolutely zero debating it.

DutchManDanFan · Post #1094 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Fri May 5, 2023 7:13 am

Bud’s Atlanta had no stars and played great basketball.
With the Bucks stars it never looked so good. It’s kind of weird. But it was not a good combination. He had to go.
He has a title now and lots of money. He’s fine.

DutchManDanFan · Post #1095 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Fri May 5, 2023 9:02 am

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BroncoBuck · Post #1096 » by **BroncoBuck** » Fri May 5, 2023 11:03 am

DutchManDanFan wrote:Bud’s Atlanta had no stars and played great basketball.
With the Bucks stars it never looked so good. It’s kind of weird. But it was not a good combination. He had to go.
He has a title now and lots of money. He’s fine.

This is crazy revisionist history. The Bubble year we were 53-9 and hammering teams. Then Covid and Kenosha happened and our team was leading the charge to not play basketball. We had our top guys openly admitting they didn’t touch a basketball from the time the season shut down until the bubble. George Hill was leading a movement to not finish the season.

IrishRainbow · Post #1097 » by **IrishRainbow** » Fri May 5, 2023 11:43 am

PintSizedBox10 wrote:

Read on Twitter

Future Buck

Championship caliber team letting stagnation go to build up the STAG-NATION

yannisk · Post #1098 » by **yannisk** » Fri May 5, 2023 11:59 am

Horst had the easiest of jobs. Give max to Giannis, give max to Middleton and package all our assets and draft picks to get a disgruntled superstar or perennial all star at least. Instead he gave everything for a one time all star Jrue. It did not help that he did not hit any draft pick or signed any promising player for cheap to have a better trade package.

He did not make a big blunder, but did not make any big move either to make that blunder. It is understandable in a way, he is an ex ups employee who somehow got a multi million dollar job. Why should he risk it? he does the bare minimum and hopes that no one notices him

midranger · Post #1099 » by **midranger** » Fri May 5, 2023 12:31 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:Bud’s Atlanta had no stars and played great basketball.
With the Bucks stars it never looked so good. It’s kind of weird. But it was not a good combination. He had to go.
He has a title now and lots of money. He’s fine.

I know we had a TON of regular season success, but come playoff time, I completely agree with this. Everything looked impossibly hard once we started playing good teams who cared on defense and could scout/adjust to what we were doing. Like seriously, impossibly hard to find a non-iso shot. So I agree that it never “looked” good in the playoffs past the first round. Even the championship run felt like pulling teeth many times. Kind of turned around after Tucker was seen yelling at Bud.

The difference is in Atlanta, he had a bunch of really smart basketball players in Horford, Milsap, Korver, and Teague. Also, Teague was more in the true facilitator PG role, than Jrue at least. You could trust those guys to make good decisions in a free flowing offense that you just couldn’t with Giannis, Bledsoe/Jrue, et Al.

rayallenscalves · Post #1100 » by **rayallenscalves** » Fri May 5, 2023 1:00 pm

I feel like I'm probably in the minority, but I think Horst has done a pretty nice job as GM. While his drafting has definitely sucked, that hasn't stopped him from putting together a championship-level roster. This season's roster was, in my opinion, the best Bucks roster I've ever seen. Bud just didn't do his part.

That being said, this is a huge offseason for him. He has to find the right coach and make the right roster choices, even if they're the hard choices.