Trade Discussion 22/23

[BliscoSantos]

Lively(with an average of Points and 5 rebounds in NCAA) and Edey(agree he played good but NBA is a different beast) won't outplay Turner and Adams and they definetly won't be better than either of them in next couple of years...
Mavs need an experienced C ,not someone who's 4 years away from(maybe)contributing to the team...

[SOUNDCHASER]

I can understand how the assumption that a 7'4 guy would be way to slow and unable to play in the NBA came about to be an accepted thing but the eye test says he does have enough ability and speed to get up and down the court and do serious damage on offense and defense and as a 2nd round pick he is cheap to take a gamble on dirt cheap.

This is a perfect opportunity to gain a guy for a bargain basement price and not be out so much money that you would have no cap space to add more talent.

Plus If he is a bum you let him go and he plays overseas in Europe and helps you scout other Europeans.

If he develops into just a role player he creates such a massive mismatch that the other team instantly has to make an adjustment and for that alone he is useful and we work on things from there.

Boban was a fan favorite for a reason and sold a lot of tickets and Zach would do that much and more.

If he can score 20 points a game in college what's to say he doesn't do that or more in the NBA?

The problem of being slow is on defense I know but when he dunks that ball he can energize the entire stadium and motivate the team to victory knowing that we can jack up threes because odds are he will grab that rebound if the shot doesn't go in and if he is by the rim when he rebounds it then the odds are he will stick the ball in the hole and score because he is bigger than everyone and nobody can stop him from dunking it, so he is worth it when we need some offense to prime the pump.

Also if he does become a useful piece then he becomes a much more valuable trade chip since we can trade him to Toronto when they want a local hero to sell tickets and we can make them give us someone worth way more because they want there Canadian hero playing for them in Canada.

[Teffer10]

Lively(with an average of Points and 5 rebounds in NCAA) and Edey(agree he played good but NBA is a different beast) won't outplay Turner and Adams and they definetly won't be better than either of them in next couple of years...
Mavs need an experienced C ,not someone who's 4 years away from(maybe)contributing to the team...

I dont disagree, but the question is at what cost?
Turner and Adams will take more than the pick.
So basically what center is achievable in a THJ/2023 #1 pick deal?

And I just dont see the big lumbering centers as a fit for us. Turner makes sense but Adams makes no sense to me.

[Teffer10]

Utah is smoking some good **** makes me wonder what they are going to do. They got 2 great bigs in Lauri and Kessler but nothing much to pair with them.

We have 2 all-star PG's and need 2 bigs but Utah is not going to trade them to us.

Turner and Adams are garbage old and injured has beens. Temporary band aid at best and not a long term solution.

Lively or Zach Edey as a rookie can outperform Adams and be long term solutions when they both demonstrate that is the fact.

Turner is an okay three point shooter so he is more of a PF than a 5 and his rebounding is good for a PF but it sucks if he is considered a 5.

Size is the greatest asset a big man has and when he knows how to dominate others that are smaller then he demonstrates a basic understanding that all basketball experts agree on and that is size matters but I see around here a lot of you guys have girlfriends that have all told you that is a lie.

I am here to set the record straight and let you know that if you are one of the guys who thinks that size does not matter you are being lied to by your girl friend/ friends and they are probably all meeting up with someone that has what they need so they are just telling you what you want to hear.

Sorry to break that bit of bad news to you I hope you recover from that blow to your ego.

GUYS you just got to draft Edey and Lively and the hole in our defense is dramatically sealed. I know this is tough for you to get because you probably don't know this but when you have size it naturally seals all holes. The defense tightens up and your penetration is able to damage the other team badly.

With both Lively and Edey we have 2 centers and so we can give the other team what amounts to double the amount of penetration. We can seal up and fill 2 holes at the same time. LOL

I dont see Edey getting one minute of play under Kidd and cant see the Mavs having the patience to develop him.

[SOUNDCHASER]

6-FOR-6! Edey Sweeps National Player of the Year Accolades
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ZACH EDEY FACT PAGE
WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. – Zach Edey capped off one of the most-statistically dominant seasons in college basketball history by winning the final piece of the National Player of the Year awards today, when the Los Angeles Athletic Club and ESPN announced that the Purdue junior center won the Wooden Award presented by Wendy's today on SportsCenter.

Edey was named the winner of the Wooden Award, becoming the first Canadian to win the Award and the first Purdue player since Glenn Robinson in 1994 to be the recipient.

The most-dominant player in college basketball during the 2022-23 season won all six National Player of the Year awards, the final one being the Wooden Award today. Edey has also won the Naismith Trophy, The Oscar Robertson Trophy (USBWA), Associated Press (AP) National Player of the Year, National Association of Basketball Coaches (NABC) National Player of the Year and The Sporting News National Player of the Year. In addition, he has won the Pete Newell Big Man of the Year Award and the Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award given by the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame to the nation's top center.

He has also been named a first-team All-American by every outlet.

Edey becomes the first Boilermaker since Glenn Robinson in 1994 to win National Player of the Year accolades. He is also the fifth Big Ten Player in the last 14 years to be named National Player of the Year joining Evan Turner (2010), Trey Burke (2013), Frank Kaminsky (2015) and Luka Garza (2021) as National Players of the Year.

Edey earned the Wooden Award after one of the most-dominating seasons in college basketball history. He was named a consensus first-team All-American, the second straight season that Purdue has had a consensus All-American (Jaden Ivey, 2022), after averaging 22.3 points, 12.9 rebounds, 2.1 blocks and 1.5 assists per game.

He became the first player in NCAA history (since blocks became an official NCAA stat) to record at least 750 points, 400 rebounds, 70 blocks and 50 assists in a season, ranking sixth nationally in scoring, second in rebounds, 19th in blocked shots and 21st in field goal percentage (.607), the only player in the NCAA database to rank in the top 25 of all four categories in the same season.

He finished the season ranking sixth on Purdue's single-season chart for points (757), first in rebounds (438), fifth in field goals made (290), 14th in field goal percentage (.607), first in dunks (76) and second in double-doubles (27).

He has scored in double-figures in 51 straight games, the longest streak in the country, and fourth-longest streak in school history.

For his career in 99 games, he has 1,533 points, the fourth most for a player through his junior season in school history (Carsen Edwards, Glenn Robinson, Rick Mount), with 847 rebounds, 148 blocks and 106 assists.

He finished the year with eight games of at least 30 points and 10 rebounds, the most for a major-college player in the last 20 years, and his 11 games of at least 25 points and 10 rebounds are the most for a Big Ten player in the last 20 years by four games over Luka Garza (Iowa; 7). The 438 rebounds are the fourth most by a player in Big Ten history behind three seasons by Ohio State great Jerry Lucas (1960-62).

Edey became just the second player in Big Ten history to lead the league in scoring, rebounding and field goal percentage and is one of just nine players (Blake Griffin, Ike Diogu, Antawn Jamison, Tim Duncan, Shaquille O'Neal, Bill Walton, Lew Alcindor, Gary Bradds) to lead a major-college conference in all three categories in NCAA history. Griffin was the last to do so in 2009.

Edey also earned Big Ten Player of the Year accolades after helping Purdue to a Big Ten regular-season title, a No. 1 national ranking for seven weeks and the Big Ten Tournament title.

Earlier this season, Edey joined an exclusive list of Boilermakers to win the Big Ten Player of the Year honors, joining the late Caleb Swanigan (2017), JaJuan Johnson (2011), Glenn Robinson (1994) and Steve Scheffler (1990) as winners of the league's top honor.

Edey is the third Boilermaker to receive the Pete Newell Big Man of the Year Award, joining JaJuan Johnson (2011) and the late Caleb Swanigan (2017) as Purdue recipients. Purdue and Duke are the only institutions to have three Pete Newell Big Man of the Year award winners.

Edey was named a semifinalist for the Naismith Defensive Player of the Year award and earned a spot on the Big Ten's All-Defensive team.

ZACH EDEY'S AWARDS WON THIS SEASON (Major awards in Bold)
Preseason All-America (every publication)
Preseason All-Big Ten
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award watch list
Wooden Award watch list
Phil Knight Legacy MVP
Big Ten Player of the Week (11-28-22)
NCAA.com National Player of the Week (11-28-22)
Big Ten Player of the Week (12-5-22)
Big Ten Player of the Week (12-12-22)
Wooden Award Midseason Top 25 (1-4-23)
Big Ten Player of the Week (1-9-23)
The Sporting News Midseason All-America 1st Team (1-19-23)
Midseason watch list for Oscar Robertson Trophy (1-19-23)
Watch list for Naismith DPOY Award (1-26-23)
Wooden Award late-season watch list (1-30-23)
Big Ten Player of the Week (1-30-23)
Dick Vitale Star of the Week (1-30-23)
NCAA March Madness Player of the Week (1-30-23)
Naismith Award National Player of the Week (1-30-23)
Wooden Award late-season watch list (1-30-23)
Big Ten Player of the Week (2-6-23)
Naismith Trophy Player of Year Mids. Team (2-9-23)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award semifinalist (2-10-23)
Naismith Def. Player of the Year semifinalist (2-27-23)
Dick Vitale All-American Team (3-1-23)
Semifinalist for Big O Trophy (3-2-23)
College Hoops Today First-Team All-American (3-4-23)
College Hoops Today National Player of the Year (3-4-23)
ESPN College Gameday Player of the Year (3-4-23)
Sporting News First-Team All-American (3-7-23)
Big Ten Player of the Year; coaches, media, AP (3-7-23)
First-Team All-Big Ten; coaches, media, AP (3-7-23)
Big Ten All-Defensive Team (3-7-23)
Field of 68 First-Team All-American (3-7-23)
Sporting News National Player of the Year (3-8-23)
CollegeInsider.com National DPOY Finalist (3-9-23)
CollegeInsider.com National POY Finalist (3-9-23)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award Finalist (3-10-23)
Naismith Player of the Year semifinalist (3-10-23)
Big Ten Tournament Most Outstanding Player (3-12-23)
USBWA District V Player of the Year (3-14-23)
NABC First-Team All-District (3-14-23)
AP First-Team All-American (3-14-23)
NABC First-Team All-American (3-15-23)
USBWA First-Team All-American (3-15-23)
Consensus First-Team All-American (2023)
Naismith Player of the Year Finalist (3-21-23)
NABC National Player of the Year (3-28-23)
NABC Pete Newell Big Man of the Year Award (3-28-23)
CBS Sports National Player of the Year (3-30-23)
Wooden Award All-American (3-30-23)
AP National Player of the Year (3-31-23)
USBWA National Player of the Year (4-1-23)
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Award winner (4-1-23)
Naismith National Player of the Year (4-2-23)
Wooden Award National Player of the Year (4-4-23)

[Realtalk420]

If we get Turner I think Isaiah Stewart would be interesting for our PF spot. Or is he too bad on D?

[SOUNDCHASER]

They say where there is smoke there is fire well it getting real smoky up in here. Seriously this guy is a monster player and capable of blowing up and becoming something extremely valuable and I am all for firing Kidd anyway with the crap he caused to happen last season. So draft him as an investment for years from now when Kidd is gone because Kidd is a short timer and Cuban will eventually get fed up with his BS and we all know that is going to happen sooner or later and that is why they are hiring him all these assistants because he needs lots more coaches to help him think better and do all the basketball x's and O's stuff for him so his brain don't hurt too much.

[BliscoSantos]

Isaiah Stewart is a guy that could help this team...Mavs should call Detroit about his availability,I'd even do a Green for Stewart trade(if Detroit would accept it)
Kyrie an Luka are enough firepower on the O,they need some hustles,tough guys...guys that can rebound,Play D

[41Dirk41]

Lively(with an average of Points and 5 rebounds in NCAA) and Edey(agree he played good but NBA is a different beast) won't outplay Turner and Adams and they definetly won't be better than either of them in next couple of years...
Mavs need an experienced C ,not someone who's 4 years away from(maybe)contributing to the team...

Agree.

We need a starting C this season... Not in 2027.

Adams not fit well in this modern PO era... Turner and Claxton for sure but they need different type of PF.

A rebounder one with Turner and a shooters one with Claxton.

[Archx]

We need a starting C this season... Not in 2027.

Adams not fit well in this modern PO era... Turner and Claxton for sure but they need different type of PF.

A rebounder one with Turner and a shooters one with Claxton.

I could see Claxton or Ayton best fit on this team. I'm not sure IND wants to trade Turner after comitting to him long term. Makes no sense to me that they would trade him just like that.

Ayton on the other hand could be up for grabs if PHX gets kicked out in the 2nd round again. And i'm also confident a team change would do wonders for him. He's been under a lot of pressure since day one and probably needs to just reset.

Ayton to me has a ton of potential and Luka needs someone who can play above the rim, set good screens and has a good mid range jump shot. Also doesn't really need too many touches to be happy. I mean, Ayton just checks all the boxes in my book.
Him being either soft on or not trying hard enough is something i'm not concerned about. He's still young and like i said, maybe needs a full reset.

I am very serious if i say ship Kyrie out in a S&T for Ayton. But problem is KD, no way he'll want to play with Kyrie again, so i think Mavs best and only hope remains Claxton.

But at the end we'll end up with Powell in the starting lineup, so don't worry too much guys, you know it's happening

[41Dirk41]

Yes Ayton has a lot of potential but he seems soft and with not a good motor...

[daoneandonly]

We need a starting C this season... Not in 2027.

Adams not fit well in this modern PO era... Turner and Claxton for sure but they need different type of PF.

A rebounder one with Turner and a shooters one with Claxton.

I could see Claxton or Ayton best fit on this team. I'm not sure IND wants to trade Turner after comitting to him long term. Makes no sense to me that they would trade him just like that.

Ayton on the other hand could be up for grabs if PHX gets kicked out in the 2nd round again. And i'm also confident a team change would do wonders for him. He's been under a lot of pressure since day one and probably needs to just reset.

Ayton to me has a ton of potential and Luka needs someone who can play above the rim, set good screens and has a good mid range jump shot. Also doesn't really need too many touches to be happy. I mean, Ayton just checks all the boxes in my book.
Him being either soft on or not trying hard enough is something i'm not concerned about. He's still young and like i said, maybe needs a full reset.

I am very serious if i say ship Kyrie out in a S&T for Ayton. But problem is KD, no way he'll want to play with Kyrie again, so i think Mavs best and only hope remains Claxton.

But at the end we'll end up with Powell in the starting lineup, so don't worry too much guys, you know it's happening

Maybe include the Heat in it? They were rumored to want Irving before the Mavs traded for him, this run may give them more desire

S&T Irving to Miami
Herro to Phx
Ayton/filler to Mavs

[Mavrelous]

I have the Heat as the least likely team for Kyrie, with the kind of culture they have, the strong personality of Butler, it's just not a good recipe.
I think there is a path to Mavs getting Ayton while keeping Kyrie, with Ayton very high salary, and Suns dire need of depth, which I think what DAL is building on.

[Archx]

We need a starting C this season... Not in 2027.

Adams not fit well in this modern PO era... Turner and Claxton for sure but they need different type of PF.

A rebounder one with Turner and a shooters one with Claxton.

I could see Claxton or Ayton best fit on this team. I'm not sure IND wants to trade Turner after comitting to him long term. Makes no sense to me that they would trade him just like that.

Ayton on the other hand could be up for grabs if PHX gets kicked out in the 2nd round again. And i'm also confident a team change would do wonders for him. He's been under a lot of pressure since day one and probably needs to just reset.

Ayton to me has a ton of potential and Luka needs someone who can play above the rim, set good screens and has a good mid range jump shot. Also doesn't really need too many touches to be happy. I mean, Ayton just checks all the boxes in my book.
Him being either soft on or not trying hard enough is something i'm not concerned about. He's still young and like i said, maybe needs a full reset.

I am very serious if i say ship Kyrie out in a S&T for Ayton. But problem is KD, no way he'll want to play with Kyrie again, so i think Mavs best and only hope remains Claxton.

But at the end we'll end up with Powell in the starting lineup, so don't worry too much guys, you know it's happening

Maybe include the Heat in it? They were rumored to want Irving before the Mavs traded for him, this run may give them more desire

S&T Irving to Miami
Herro to Phx
Ayton/filler to Mavs

I'm too lazy to check if salaries check out but i know what you mean. Yeah, if a 3rd party is more interested in Kyrie, it's actually not a bad idea. I like it.

Problem is, Mavs FO doesn't agree with me They'll try and keep Kyrie and mess up the opportunity to get Ayton. It was reported that Mavs want him but they also want to keep Kyrie so that already severly limits their options.

[daoneandonly]

I have the Heat as the least likely team for Kyrie, with the kind of culture they have, the strong personality of Butler, it's just not a good recipe.
I think there is a path to Mavs getting Ayton while keeping Kyrie, with Ayton very high salary, and Suns dire need of depth, which I think what DAL is building on.

You definitley have a point, just remembered they were one of the bidding teams.

How do you think Dallas would be able to get Ayton w/o Kyrie? I'd imagine PHX would want Green, then the Mavs would need to match salaries with THJ and others

[daoneandonly]

I could see Claxton or Ayton best fit on this team. I'm not sure IND wants to trade Turner after comitting to him long term. Makes no sense to me that they would trade him just like that.

Ayton on the other hand could be up for grabs if PHX gets kicked out in the 2nd round again. And i'm also confident a team change would do wonders for him. He's been under a lot of pressure since day one and probably needs to just reset.

Ayton to me has a ton of potential and Luka needs someone who can play above the rim, set good screens and has a good mid range jump shot. Also doesn't really need too many touches to be happy. I mean, Ayton just checks all the boxes in my book.
Him being either soft on or not trying hard enough is something i'm not concerned about. He's still young and like i said, maybe needs a full reset.

I am very serious if i say ship Kyrie out in a S&T for Ayton. But problem is KD, no way he'll want to play with Kyrie again, so i think Mavs best and only hope remains Claxton.

But at the end we'll end up with Powell in the starting lineup, so don't worry too much guys, you know it's happening

Maybe include the Heat in it? They were rumored to want Irving before the Mavs traded for him, this run may give them more desire

S&T Irving to Miami
Herro to Phx
Ayton/filler to Mavs

I'm too lazy to check if salaries check out but i know what you mean. Yeah, if a 3rd party is more interested in Kyrie, it's actually not a bad idea. I like it.

Problem is, Mavs FO doesn't agree with me They'll try and keep Kyrie and mess up the opportunity to get Ayton. It was reported that Mavs want him but they also want to keep Kyrie so that already severly limits their options.

Tyler Herro:

2023/24 $27,000,000
2024/25 $29,000,000
2025/26 $31,000,000
2026/27 $33,000,000

DeAndre Ayton:

2023/24 $32,459,438
2024/25 $34,005,126
2025/26 $35,550,814

[Mavrelous]

I have the Heat as the least likely team for Kyrie, with the kind of culture they have, the strong personality of Butler, it's just not a good recipe.
I think there is a path to Mavs getting Ayton while keeping Kyrie, with Ayton very high salary, and Suns dire need of depth, which I think what DAL is building on.

You definitley have a point, just remembered they were one of the bidding teams.

How do you think Dallas would be able to get Ayton w/o Kyrie? I'd imagine PHX would want Green, then the Mavs would need to match salaries with THJ and others

Wood, Maxi, THJ, Green for Ayton and Shamet -- Instant 4 rotation players, all floor stretching (they REALLY lack that), 10M TPE and 15M room below the Apron (to resign Craig who they still need).
CP3/Payne
Booker/Green
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
Wood/Maxi

THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton and Shamet -- Stretch Waive Bertans, and have 20M room below the Apron, 10M TPE, MLE available for use if they don't care about being hardcapped, or TPMLE is they don't want to.

CP3/Payne
Booker/Lee
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
McGee/Biyombo/Landale
And #10 and TPMLE guy.

It's a question of where Ayton value is at around the league.
Here's a deal I think could work:

DAL:
THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton
PHX
Ayton/Shamet for McGee/THJ/Collins/#15
ATL
Collins/#15 for Bertans/Shamet/#10

DAL get their starting center, and focus of signing a forward for the MLE (or trade for one with Bullock/Wood)
PHX get depth pieces and a pick, THJ adds instant shooter for them which they severely lack, Collins is the rim runner.
ATL dumps Collins, and get 2 shooters, they'd be able to S&W Bertans to duck tax, also, they's jump 5 spots.


DAL Will have Luka/Ayton/Green/Hardy as young core (all below 25), Kyrie, Bullock and Maxi for vets around them, and will need to complete the roster by signing getting forwards, they won't be great forwards since they are out of assets.

[Archx]

Spoiler:

I have the Heat as the least likely team for Kyrie, with the kind of culture they have, the strong personality of Butler, it's just not a good recipe.
I think there is a path to Mavs getting Ayton while keeping Kyrie, with Ayton very high salary, and Suns dire need of depth, which I think what DAL is building on.

You definitley have a point, just remembered they were one of the bidding teams.

How do you think Dallas would be able to get Ayton w/o Kyrie? I'd imagine PHX would want Green, then the Mavs would need to match salaries with THJ and others

Wood, Maxi, THJ, Green for Ayton and Shamet -- Instant 4 rotation players, all floor stretching (they REALLY lack that), 10M TPE and 15M room below the Apron (to resign Craig who they still need).
CP3/Payne
Booker/Green
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
Wood/Maxi

THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton and Shamet -- Stretch Waive Bertans, and have 20M room below the Apron, 10M TPE, MLE available for use if they don't care about being hardcapped, or TPMLE is they don't want to.

CP3/Payne
Booker/Lee
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
McGee/Biyombo/Landale
And #10 and TPMLE guy.

It's a question of where Ayton value is at around the league.
Here's a deal I think could work:

DAL:
THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton
PHX
Ayton/Shamet for McGee/THJ/Collins/#15
ATL
Collins/#15 for Bertans/Shamet/#10

DAL get their starting center, and focus of signing a forward for the MLE (or trade for one with Bullock/Wood)
PHX get depth pieces and a pick, THJ adds instant shooter for them which they severely lack, Collins is the rim runner.
ATL dumps Collins, and get 2 shooters, they'd be able to S&W Bertans to duck tax, also, they's jump 5 spots.


DAL Will have Luka/Ayton/Green/Hardy as young core (all below 25), Kyrie, Bullock and Maxi for vets around them, and will need to complete the roster by signing getting forwards, they won't be great forwards since they are out of assets.

Apparently Shamet is completely useless. It would probably be ideal if you can get anyone other back than him.

[Mavrelous]

Spoiler:

You definitley have a point, just remembered they were one of the bidding teams.

How do you think Dallas would be able to get Ayton w/o Kyrie? I'd imagine PHX would want Green, then the Mavs would need to match salaries with THJ and others

Wood, Maxi, THJ, Green for Ayton and Shamet -- Instant 4 rotation players, all floor stretching (they REALLY lack that), 10M TPE and 15M room below the Apron (to resign Craig who they still need).
CP3/Payne
Booker/Green
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
Wood/Maxi

THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton and Shamet -- Stretch Waive Bertans, and have 20M room below the Apron, 10M TPE, MLE available for use if they don't care about being hardcapped, or TPMLE is they don't want to.

CP3/Payne
Booker/Lee
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
McGee/Biyombo/Landale
And #10 and TPMLE guy.

It's a question of where Ayton value is at around the league.
Here's a deal I think could work:

DAL:
THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton
PHX
Ayton/Shamet for McGee/THJ/Collins/#15
ATL
Collins/#15 for Bertans/Shamet/#10

DAL get their starting center, and focus of signing a forward for the MLE (or trade for one with Bullock/Wood)
PHX get depth pieces and a pick, THJ adds instant shooter for them which they severely lack, Collins is the rim runner.
ATL dumps Collins, and get 2 shooters, they'd be able to S&W Bertans to duck tax, also, they's jump 5 spots.


DAL Will have Luka/Ayton/Green/Hardy as young core (all below 25), Kyrie, Bullock and Maxi for vets around them, and will need to complete the roster by signing getting forwards, they won't be great forwards since they are out of assets.

Apparently Shamet is completely useless. It would probably be ideal if you can get anyone other back than him.

He's a bad contract, dumping him is extra value for the Suns, that's why he's in there.

[Archx]

Spoiler:

Wood, Maxi, THJ, Green for Ayton and Shamet -- Instant 4 rotation players, all floor stretching (they REALLY lack that), 10M TPE and 15M room below the Apron (to resign Craig who they still need).
CP3/Payne
Booker/Green
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
Wood/Maxi

THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton and Shamet -- Stretch Waive Bertans, and have 20M room below the Apron, 10M TPE, MLE available for use if they don't care about being hardcapped, or TPMLE is they don't want to.

CP3/Payne
Booker/Lee
THJ/Okogie
KD/Craig
McGee/Biyombo/Landale
And #10 and TPMLE guy.

It's a question of where Ayton value is at around the league.
Here's a deal I think could work:

DAL:
THJ, Bertans, McGee, #10 for Ayton
PHX
Ayton/Shamet for McGee/THJ/Collins/#15
ATL
Collins/#15 for Bertans/Shamet/#10

DAL get their starting center, and focus of signing a forward for the MLE (or trade for one with Bullock/Wood)
PHX get depth pieces and a pick, THJ adds instant shooter for them which they severely lack, Collins is the rim runner.
ATL dumps Collins, and get 2 shooters, they'd be able to S&W Bertans to duck tax, also, they's jump 5 spots.


DAL Will have Luka/Ayton/Green/Hardy as young core (all below 25), Kyrie, Bullock and Maxi for vets around them, and will need to complete the roster by signing getting forwards, they won't be great forwards since they are out of assets.

Apparently Shamet is completely useless. It would probably be ideal if you can get anyone other back than him.

He's a bad contract, dumping him is extra value for the Suns, that's why he's in there.

Yeah i figured you kinda used him as a bait, which is fine. Just saying, at first try, i would aim for something better, if PHX declines then salary dump player would be ok-ish.

I think Suns will also look to dump CP3. Looks like he's on a serious decline. Don't know exact details of his contract but i think he still has 2 years left at 30M.