Bud Appreciation Thread

[Ron Swanson]

Yes, if we've learned anything about Kawhi throughout his career it's that he's only ever looked awesome in the playoffs that one series vs. the Bucks...

[yannisk]

I am talking about Butler, who has been good but never that good

[soboMP3]

I love Bud, and will forever be grateful for the championship. However, he epitomizes:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

Just couldn't believe every game in the Heat series involved the exact same gameplan. Never any adjustments (unless PJ Tucker tells him to). He brought the culture, and its time to 1UP it with someone who can actually look at video and adjust.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Nick Nurse in 2019: “one guy is completely destroying us, I’m going to put 4 guys in front of him and make everyone else beat us”

Bud in 2023: “one guy is completely destroying us…I got nothing”

you just exposed yourself. you compared a guy who could score from anywhere on the floor including 25 ft away who was surrounded by shooters and was willing to pass first.... to a guy who can pretty much only dunk and would rather charge somebody then give the ball up.

not a great analogy

This guy who can score from anywhere has played in this league for long time and has faced other teams and coaches apart from Bucks. Somehow only Bucks and Bud could make him look like Michael Jordan.

The other guy who can only dunk, has two mvps and a ring and has managed to win more, score more, score more efficiently, give more assists, rebound more etc etc. Somehow he is your problem for a long time. It's good to hear some fringe opinions from time to time

you talking about butler? thats not even close to true. his rep is more like turning into mj and dragging the heat to the finals for 2 out of the last 3 years? other teams stopped him? name one

over the last 3 years the only series that dudes lost was to us and the two finals he got to.

jimmy butler is a playoff freight train. last year and in the bubble pretty much the entire league has had a problem. literally the ONLY time he got shut down was by us when we won it all. even in both finals he lost he was outstanding

if shutting down jimmy butler shows the sign of a good coach then thats your conundrum because buds the only one whose done it in the playoffs since he showed up in south beach. go look at the numbers. its what that mfer does now

[Ron Swanson]

I am talking about Butler, who has been good but never that good

Except he did, like.....last postseason.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I am talking about Butler, who has been good but never that good

Except he did, like.....last postseason.

and the bubble. hes been the best playoff performer over the last 3 years as anybody in the league. wish we could steal him for the middleton role my god

[paulpressey25]

I don't understand what point you're trying to make here that's supposed to be insightful?

Here's how I'd rank the reasons why the Bucks don't have a 2nd title (in order of impact):

1. Middleton misses all 7 games of the Celtic's series last year

2. Giannis misses 3 of the 5 games against Miami and plays tentative in the two full games he does play. (and his already shaky FT mechanics were shot)

3. For the 2023 roster, the GM provides Bud with Grayson Allen, Wes Matthews, Jevon Carter, Jae Crowder and Joe Ingles, with the requirement that at least one of those guys starts, and the others have to all be key parts of the rotation. Plausible all are out of the league within the next 24-months. I mean those guys were bad.

4. Kawhi goes nuclear in 2019, and Giannis doesn't understand yet how to go up against a quartet of Kawhi, Ibaka, Siakim and Gasol.

5. The Bubble team has other priorities.

6. Bud melts down and doesn't make adjustments.

It's possible that #6 is very meaningful. But I'm going to keep pointing out numbers 1-5 to some of these twitter trolls and ESPN types who are trying to cast Bud as this special needs child who was handed the O'Brien trophy as a gift. I know that's not many on this board, but outside this board it is a mess.

[yannisk]

I am talking about Butler, who has been good but never that good

Except he did, like.....last postseason.

not really

Butler scored against us 37 ppg on 60% fg. This is by far the best series of his career,

last year
against Sixers 27.5 ppg on 51%
against Celtics 25,.6 ppg on 47.7%

Maybe we were unlucky and he happened to be in the best shape of his life, but we did not give him any different looks, or double him.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I am talking about Butler, who has been good but never that good

Except he did, like.....last postseason.

not really

Butler scored against us 37 ppg on 60% fg. This is by far the best series of his career,

last year
against Sixers 27.5 ppg on 51%
against Celtics 25,.6 ppg on 47.7%

Maybe we were unlucky and he happened to be in the best shape of his life, but we did not give him any different looks, or double him.

[msiris]

Thanks Bud. Hope this isn't the only move we make.

[yannisk]

Except he did, like.....last postseason.

not really

Butler scored against us 37 ppg on 60% fg. This is by far the best series of his career,

last year
against Sixers 27.5 ppg on 51%
against Celtics 25,.6 ppg on 47.7%

Maybe we were unlucky and he happened to be in the best shape of his life, but we did not give him any different looks, or double him.

just to make you happy



you did not have such tantrums since Knight was traded and it was not the disaster you expected

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

not really

Butler scored against us 37 ppg on 60% fg. This is by far the best series of his career,

last year
against Sixers 27.5 ppg on 51%
against Celtics 25,.6 ppg on 47.7%

Maybe we were unlucky and he happened to be in the best shape of his life, but we did not give him any different looks, or double him.

just to make you happy



you did not have such tantrums since Knight was traded and it was not the disaster you expected

he was the best experience i ever had for taking my head out of my ass as it relates to this board.

ive been wrong rarely since i embraced the metric arguments of the modern game and id like to thank alot of folks here for helping me see the game in a new light that way.

as it relates to your ridiculous comeback to the idea butler has been largely shut down the last several years by other teams and coaches until this past series i literally have no words. if we had been sending traps at butler we would have been playing a style we have not used in years and he would have annihilated us. that isnt a style you can on the fly draw up in a damn timeout or even coach into the guys in between games if youve never used it before.

i may not be the smartest guy on this board but i gaurantee ive played at the highest level here. defensive postures and systems like that are complicated, they need the right personnel, and we made the right move sticking with what got us there in that particular series

i would agree that bud is stubborn about making small changes in game but coming up with season long approaches that give us the best chance to win it all he is the best of the best. thats what im upset about here

[yannisk]

ive been wrong rarely

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

ive been wrong rarely

the fact you had to go back to brandon knight emboldened me

[yannisk]

as it relates to your ridiculous comeback to the idea butler has been largely shut down the last several years by other teams and coaches until this past series i literally have no words.

I never said that, on the contrary I said he was good but never that good and the numbers back it up

[yannisk]

ive been wrong rarely

the fact you had to go back to brandon knight emboldened me

I could bring up your posts from the year we won, but I cannot bother

(and I don't want to embarrass you)

The Brandon Knight stuff was to encourage you, the sky did not fall then and it maybe won't fall now

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as it relates to your ridiculous comeback to the idea butler has been largely shut down the last several years by other teams and coaches until this past series i literally have no words.

I never said that, on the contrary I said he was good but never that good and the numbers back it up

this quote is the one i originally took issue with.

This guy who can score from anywhere has played in this league for long time and has faced other teams and coaches apart from Bucks. Somehow only Bucks and Bud could make him look like Michael Jordan

butler has looked like jordan nonstop short of the series we completely shut him down the year we won.

like literally he hsnt lost a series except that year and two finals averaging 25-30 ppg on high efficency over and over and over.

did he peak against us? yes.... but thats semantics. our system is entirely based on giving guys what they can take at the spots he was shooting and that system is what kept the games well in hand and completely ours until we choked them away at the end.

jimmy butler didnt beat us. we beat ourselves. if wed on the run aborted our entire defensive philosophy to double and triple him it would have been idiotic. hell the last two games we were supposed to do that well in the lead? or only the last 5 minutes when our own heroes turned into zeroes?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

the fact you had to go back to brandon knight emboldened me

I could bring up your posts from the year we won, but I cannot bother

(and I don't want to embarrass you)

The Brandon Knight stuff was to encourage you, the sky did not fall then and it maybe won't fall now

you wont find any extended rants that would embarrass me that i can recall. posts sure. whatever.

i was the first one right on this entire board about jennings and sanders and thon. like the very first. not 1b... 1a. all 3 and nobody gives me credit on it but whatever. i go on these rants and with those 3 i stood ALONE.

i was also on middletons nuts consistently and remain so. that was small group but ive been very vocal.

ive taken many minority positions strongly and firmly and been attacked and been far more right than wrong. im also emotional in postgame threads so have at our championship year that means nothing. give me 3 days to sort stuff then ill take the heat.

dumping bud is the worst move weve made in 10 years. the window was already potentially closing on these guys but now its over. you mark my words.

[Prez]

Jimmy since his breakout as a star level player and up until our first round series this year had played in 14 playoff series - of those 14 series he’s had just one where he averaged 30+ ppg, it was in the first round last year when he averaged 30.5 ppg on 64% TS against the Hawks and their 26th ranked defense. On average for his star level seasons he’s at 22 ppg on 58% TS in the playoffs.

The Bucks letting him go off for 38ppg on 67% TS is an absolute abomination and outlier for his career and we need to not pretend otherwise. It was a complete failure of both the coaching staff and the players.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Jimmy since his breakout as a star level player and up until our first round series this year had played in 14 playoff series - of those 14 series he’s had just one where he averaged 30+ ppg, it was in the first round last year when he averaged 30.5 ppg on 64% TS against the Hawks and their 26th ranked defense. On average for his star level seasons he’s at 22 ppg on 58% TS in the playoffs.

The Bucks letting him go off for 38ppg on 67% TS is an absolute abomination and outlier for his career and we need to not pretend otherwise. It was a complete failure of both the coaching staff and the players.

run the last 3 years in miami and throw out the year the bucks(buds system).... completely snuffed him.... and ill take the numbers more seriously

the last two games in this past series where he got 56 and 42... lets not forget the approach to actually WIN THE GAME was working to perfection anyway. we didnt lose this series because of jimmy butlers scoring. we had those games because of it. we lost for a completely different reason