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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#521 » by Arsenal » Sat May 6, 2023 2:58 am

76ciology wrote:Anyway, the right thing to do here is to start Melton over Maxey. This way you wont trail to start the game.

Then have Maxey sub Harden, where you dont risk to have two liabilities on both ends on the floor.

Then you adjust accordingly on how well they’re playing.

The problem is Maxey is a sad boi who does not want to be benched. So I dont know how it will work. Maybe if he self destructs, then you play Shake where atleast shake is reliable to shoot and has to the length to play defense?


I agree with this. Melton has been lowkey our best player this series. Need him out there for the shooting and so we don't have 2 liabilities in the backcourt. He should be playing 40 mpg since he's our 2nd best 2-way player behind Embiid.

Will Doc make this kind of major adjustment? I doubt it.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#522 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat May 6, 2023 2:58 am

76ciology wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:I can't get into offseason plans and ideas just yet. I think we can still take this series, but we're going to have to win game 4 in order to stay in this thing. If we win game 4, maybe we figure something out with them. Atlanta was able to eventually figure them out and I think we can do the same. This is not over yet. James Harden needs to play better, Tyrese Maxey needs to hit some shots, and Embiid needs to stay upright and not get hurt.


Yes, i think this series is still early. But this performance is very concerning.


It is very concerning. Embiid is playing on one leg, Boston is long and athletic, they make shots, we don't, they get the 50/50 balls. If you look at game one, WE got the 50/50 balls, WE made timely shots. That's really the difference in these last two games.

The thing that concerns me the most is how predictable our offense is. The ball is either going to go to Embiid, if not, Harden does a dance at the top of the key, OR Maxey/Melton are forced to drive and take it to the rack and Boston is always ready for that. There has to be better movement from our guys on offense. Boston rotates and they close out better than any other team in the league I've seen this year and it's because they have the length and athleticism to do it.

We can forget about Harden driving to the basket on them. He's not going to do it because he's not going to get a call and he's going to get his shot turned back if he tries it. He looks tired and slow when he plays the mid range angle so we're basically forced to live or die with him making timely threes. Thing is when those threes are going in, he plays better, he gains confidence and he attacks without pressure. I don't know...I could rant all night about him. He's been awful.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#523 » by Murray_17 » Sat May 6, 2023 2:58 am

76ciology wrote:
The problem is Maxey is a sad boi who does not want to be benched. So I dont know how it will work. Maybe if he self destructs, then you play Shake where atleast shake is reliable to shoot and has to the length to play defense?


Really? :-?
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#524 » by Jay555 » Sat May 6, 2023 2:59 am

Harden and Maxey 7/30 shooting.

That's all.

I think we are going to tie it up but lose 2-4.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#525 » by eyeatoma » Sat May 6, 2023 2:59 am

Jo says it like it is, even though it gets him in trouble.

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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#526 » by Bum Adebayo » Sat May 6, 2023 2:59 am

76ciology wrote:Anyway, the right thing to do here is to start Melton over Maxey. This way you wont trail to start the game.

Then have Maxey sub Harden, where you dont risk to have two liabilities on both ends on the floor.

Then you adjust accordingly on how well they’re playing.

The problem is Maxey is a sad boi who does not want to be benched. So I dont know how it will work. Maybe if he self destructs, then you play Shake where atleast shake is reliable to shoot and has to the length to play defense?


Perfect, let this primmadona be anyone else's problem.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#527 » by Iverson Armband » Sat May 6, 2023 3:00 am

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Iverson Armband wrote:And put the ball in who’s hands? Maxey? He SUCKED. Sub PJ? Of all games, when he’s actually hitting 3s and the only guy hustling for rebounds when we’re constantly getting out hustled for boards? Yeah, thank God you aren’t the coach.


Maxey on the ball actually brought us back in the first quarter and made the ball move more because at least he got faster to a Embiid ISO than Harden bringing the ball up and driving without knowing what to do once he got to the paint, he being stuck in the paint also took Embiid out of the play.

Maxey sucked, yes, but i don't want him on ball to take shots, i want him on ball because that gets to a Embiid possession faster.

PJ had one rebound dude and yeah, he got 4 shots while open the entire game because Boston was sagging off him. They aren't respecting him and he's not getting guarded until he hit shots which he did only after the first half.

I like PJ, i have defended him the entire season. He's gonna be open this entire series, doc needs to do something with that and if he can't then PJ needs to be subbed. It's not that difficult.

Dude Doc is like the 5th thing wrong with this team right now let’s not be silly.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#528 » by 76ciology » Sat May 6, 2023 3:00 am

ankle420breaker wrote:Not much has changed since I've been born. Boston remains superior on every level (ownership, senior management, general management, coaching, coaching development, scouting, player development, etc). Even more so, they seamlessly institute their culture into every player they bring in and figure out how to maximize their impact within whatever rotational role they play (regardless of how large or small). We're one of the signature franchises in the NBA, and we do nothing to foster that level of passion. I'm approaching 40, and our hierarchy hasn't matched their playoff intensity in my lifetime.

Doc's a decent coach, but I'm pretty sure we collectively knew after last season he wasn't going to get us through any finish lines. We'll fire him after we inevitably lose, but it'll be too late. Zero accountability for ownership. If only we had a Jimmy Butler kind of guy in this series.

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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#529 » by Murray_17 » Sat May 6, 2023 3:03 am

Iverson Armband wrote:Dude Doc is like the 5th thing wrong with this team right now let’s not be silly.



Yeah, but part of doc job is to find how to diminish the other stuff that is wrong. Doing the same **** that in the second game is not that.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#530 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 6, 2023 3:05 am

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DCasey91 wrote:Kobble might be right, if you wanted a potentially better Maxey then call up the Nets FO and ask how much for Cam Thomas. The main difference between the two he has zero conscious and has never seen a shot he didn’t like.

Bloody Kings got a taller Maxey in Monk for peanuts.


Cam also draws a ton of fouls unlike Maxey.

And Cam does not need gravity to blow past his man to collapse the defense.

Cam can have that Houston Harden in G1 performance in higher frequency than Maxey.



I see a lot of Gilbert Arenas in his game. It’s not a matter of if it’s when he’ll be a 20ppg scorer in this league. Most likely next season.

I mean if the price is right can’t hurt to grab him
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#531 » by 76ciology » Sat May 6, 2023 3:07 am

Arsenal wrote:
76ciology wrote:Anyway, the right thing to do here is to start Melton over Maxey. This way you wont trail to start the game.

Then have Maxey sub Harden, where you dont risk to have two liabilities on both ends on the floor.

Then you adjust accordingly on how well they’re playing.

The problem is Maxey is a sad boi who does not want to be benched. So I dont know how it will work. Maybe if he self destructs, then you play Shake where atleast shake is reliable to shoot and has to the length to play defense?


I agree with this. Melton has been lowkey our best player this series. Need him out there for the shooting and so we don't have 2 liabilities in the backcourt.

Will Doc make this kind of major adjustment? I doubt it.


Yeah think about it.

The last two games we always start slow.

Why?

Because you got your backcourt missing shots, this give Celts opportunity to push the pace. Faster pace makes those drives deadly, then deadlier drives makes it more deadly with these two short guys rotating to shooters. And its more deadly because you have two tweeners at the 3-4.

OUR STARTING UNIT IS DESIGNED TO MAKE SHOTS.

The starting unit should be generating high points per possession PnRs, corner 3s or Maxey 3s.

If they’re not gonna make shots then you are in big trouble because the starting unit is not designed to stop a 5 out unit, pushing the pace dribble drive with superb ball movement. You got 4 short guys out there.

You need to have dead balls, where our defense can set. Confuse them and let them read and those reads gives us time to recover.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#532 » by Murray_17 » Sat May 6, 2023 3:07 am

OMG we reached the part of the discussion where Cam Thomas would help.

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Post#533 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat May 6, 2023 3:07 am

I think Doc should definitely start Melton, but I don't think he'll do it. Maxey I think would still struggle coming off the bench in this series. Doc isn't even going to look in Shakes direction. I'm just not expecting too much of an adjustment from Doc in terms of minutes/rotations at this point. We're stuck in the mud here because if he pivots to McDaniels and Reed more, then we're losing on offense and you have to score efficiently to keep up with Boston. I hate to say it, but for example...Mikel Bridges is really the type of player we're missing to beat this team. It's just an example, I'm not trying to bring up the past, I'm just saying that you need a 2way wing player like that to beat them. Someone that can defend Tatum or Brown and get you points on the other end.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#534 » by mksp » Sat May 6, 2023 3:08 am

Maxey has one awful playoff game and y'all want to trade him when he's what, 22?

Meanwhile Joel and Harden have a career of playoff disappointment history.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#535 » by phillynative » Sat May 6, 2023 3:09 am

76ciology wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:
76ciology wrote:We ended the game shooting better than the Celts in 3s and having more bench pts.



Dude it’s the starting unit. That’s on Doc, he tried Melton but then your are vertically challenged with Harden and Maxey. Those 3 should never be on the court together against the Celtics ffs.

I wonder what the point differential in quarters 2/3 and these last 2 games and the next 2.


Yes, he should have benched Maxey. But where are you going to get your scoring without Harden?

And you can’t bench both Maxey and Harden because you wont have a PG on the floor.


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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#536 » by 76ciology » Sat May 6, 2023 3:10 am

mksp wrote:Maxey has one awful playoff game and y'all want to trade him when he's what, 22?



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Post#537 » by DCasey91 » Sat May 6, 2023 3:12 am

Murray_17 wrote:OMG we reached the part of the discussion where Cam Thomas would help.

Sorry i'm out


Dude give it a rest, do you know the word relativity? As in player X is relative too

We already crapped the cap with the Harris/Horford/Simmons signings

Do not do the same with Harden/Maxey

Maxey is not that hard to replace imo. Players like him have less value than what the paying price is.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#538 » by 76ciology » Sat May 6, 2023 3:13 am

Im not pushing for a Maxey for Cam trade. Cam is not a good fit with the stage in our team. Cam needs a lot of experience before he can be playable. He’s a kid who knows the secret on what this game values but he needs to learn the other aspects of the game which can only be gain with experience and proper guidance

But if this is NBA 2K or if we have time, I’d do it. Its just I think we’re in a different stage right now.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#539 » by mksp » Sat May 6, 2023 3:13 am

76ciology wrote:
mksp wrote:Maxey has one awful playoff game and y'all want to trade him when he's what, 22?



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Also saved us against Atlanta and Toronto.
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Re: R2G3 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 5 7:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#540 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat May 6, 2023 3:16 am

76ciology wrote:Anyway, the right thing to do here is to start Melton over Maxey. This way you wont trail to start the game.

Then have Maxey sub Harden, where you dont risk to have two liabilities on both ends on the floor.

Then you adjust accordingly on how well they’re playing.

The problem is Maxey is a sad boi who does not want to be benched. So I dont know how it will work. Maybe if he self destructs, then you play Shake where atleast shake is reliable to shoot and has to the length to play defense?


Not happening. I'm the biggest Shake Stan on this forum. It wont happen. Shake has been the odd man out in the guard rotation. We knew that would happen. I highly doubt Doc goes to him. Maxey is going to work through this. Have faith.

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