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Post#321 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 7:31 pm

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His defense in game 1 was spectacular. Who else will do as good a job as him on Curry then?


Vando doesn’t make sense if Curry is going to be in a more on ball roll because he dies on ball screens, the reason we had to change our screen coverage is because he was dying on those screens and turning our high drop into a hedge without any sort of recovering, that didn’t work when we switched to it full time in the second half either

Not to mention how bad he is on offense

Unless Vando can navigate on ball screens better than he did, he doesn’t make much sense on defense

And on offense he makes it so hard because despite his physical gifts he’s not a good cutter or finisher


Right, but Vando was the reason why Curry moved on-ball, so if you take him out, then GS can move back to Plan A.

Not saying that that's not what will happen - it may happen, and it may be the best move for the Lakers - but it's a hell of a place for the Lakers to be if that happens.

To put it another way: The way Vando as a freaking 6'9" guy was able to chase Curry effectively was maybe the most stunning thing about the Lakers' Game 1 win (AD was MVP of course), and so if the Lakers win the series with Vando nailed to the bench it would be pretty amazing.


I mean Vando is great but he’s not our only guy that can chase guys off ball, nor is he even the best, we do a good job stopping that aspect of golden states game in general even if Vando isn’t there

In the context of this series he might be but Curry going back to off ball and the warriors offense going back to what it’s been this season is better than Vando dying on ball screens

Vando on ball screens is a substantially bigger issue than other guys chasing Curry off ball, currys off ball stuff generally leads to cuts and stuff which we’ve basically been able to stop, for the most part we’ve done well in that regard outside of just Vando as well.

Vando just dies so badly in ball screens, esp considering it’s Curry running them and he’s prob the best guy ever at running them at this point in the way he does, that it turns into a hedge situation without us recovering, which we aren’t good at ideally. Beyond that Vando was a huge reason our offense stagnated last game

It was a 4 point win in g1 but from a process oriented standpoint if every game went that way this would be a 5 game series, similar to g2.

The thing is, THE warriors money play is that pick and roll 4v3, and we aren’t a team tha rotates well enough to defend it in that way. There are ways we can defend it which actually were very effective, but Vando on Curry gives them the money play unless he starts navigating those ball screens better
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Post#322 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 7:59 pm

GSP wrote:I dont see how Jokic isnt 1st for this season. It should be unanimous TBH.


It really depends on how this year ends I think

If the heat pull off the Cinderella run I don’t see why it wouldn’t be Jimmy if he keeps playing like this for example

I agree Jokic was probably the best player in the RS, By a bigger gap than anyone has in the playoffs, but this far Jimmy’s gotta be the player of the postseason right
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Post#323 » by jalengreen » Sat May 6, 2023 8:05 pm

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GSP wrote:I dont see how Jokic isnt 1st for this season. It should be unanimous TBH.


It really depends on how this year ends I think

If the heat pull off the Cinderella run I don’t see why it wouldn’t be Jimmy if he keeps playing like this for example

I agree Jokic was probably the best player in the RS, By a bigger gap than anyone has in the playoffs, but this far Jimmy’s gotta be the player of the postseason right


How many players do you think have #1 potential?

Ring or not, my instinct is that no one on the Suns, Warriors, Lakers, Knicks, or Celtics would be #1 for me.

I'd consider Butler (ring would likely do it because it'd require Butler to continue going crazy) and maybe Embiid (would have to go ham, rough start to his postseason case so idk)
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Post#324 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 8:34 pm

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GSP wrote:I dont see how Jokic isnt 1st for this season. It should be unanimous TBH.


It really depends on how this year ends I think

If the heat pull off the Cinderella run I don’t see why it wouldn’t be Jimmy if he keeps playing like this for example

I agree Jokic was probably the best player in the RS, By a bigger gap than anyone has in the playoffs, but this far Jimmy’s gotta be the player of the postseason right


How many players do you think have #1 potential?

Ring or not, my instinct is that no one on the Suns, Warriors, Lakers, Knicks, or Celtics would be #1 for me.

I'd consider Butler (ring would likely do it because it'd require Butler to continue going crazy) and maybe Embiid (would have to go ham, rough start to his postseason case so idk)


I could see an argument for book

AD if he becomes a consistent offensive force lol

They would have to win though
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Post#325 » by Doctor MJ » Sat May 6, 2023 9:21 pm

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Vando doesn’t make sense if Curry is going to be in a more on ball roll because he dies on ball screens, the reason we had to change our screen coverage is because he was dying on those screens and turning our high drop into a hedge without any sort of recovering, that didn’t work when we switched to it full time in the second half either

Not to mention how bad he is on offense

Unless Vando can navigate on ball screens better than he did, he doesn’t make much sense on defense

And on offense he makes it so hard because despite his physical gifts he’s not a good cutter or finisher


Right, but Vando was the reason why Curry moved on-ball, so if you take him out, then GS can move back to Plan A.

Not saying that that's not what will happen - it may happen, and it may be the best move for the Lakers - but it's a hell of a place for the Lakers to be if that happens.

To put it another way: The way Vando as a freaking 6'9" guy was able to chase Curry effectively was maybe the most stunning thing about the Lakers' Game 1 win (AD was MVP of course), and so if the Lakers win the series with Vando nailed to the bench it would be pretty amazing.


I mean Vando is great but he’s not our only guy that can chase guys off ball, nor is he even the best, we do a good job stopping that aspect of golden states game in general even if Vando isn’t there

In the context of this series he might be but Curry going back to off ball and the warriors offense going back to what it’s been this season is better than Vando dying on ball screens

Vando on ball screens is a substantially bigger issue than other guys chasing Curry off ball, currys off ball stuff generally leads to cuts and stuff which we’ve basically been able to stop, for the most part we’ve done well in that regard outside of just Vando as well.

Vando just dies so badly in ball screens, esp considering it’s Curry running them and he’s prob the best guy ever at running them at this point in the way he does, that it turns into a hedge situation without us recovering, which we aren’t good at ideally. Beyond that Vando was a huge reason our offense stagnated last game

It was a 4 point win in g1 but from a process oriented standpoint if every game went that way this would be a 5 game series, similar to g2.

The thing is, THE warriors money play is that pick and roll 4v3, and we aren’t a team tha rotates well enough to defend it in that way. There are ways we can defend it which actually were very effective, but Vando on Curry gives them the money play unless he starts navigating those ball screens better


Huh. Okay, so which Laker is better at chasing Curry? and Why didn't the Lakers start with that guy chasing Curry instead of Vando?
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Post#326 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 9:41 pm

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Right, but Vando was the reason why Curry moved on-ball, so if you take him out, then GS can move back to Plan A.

Not saying that that's not what will happen - it may happen, and it may be the best move for the Lakers - but it's a hell of a place for the Lakers to be if that happens.

To put it another way: The way Vando as a freaking 6'9" guy was able to chase Curry effectively was maybe the most stunning thing about the Lakers' Game 1 win (AD was MVP of course), and so if the Lakers win the series with Vando nailed to the bench it would be pretty amazing.


I mean Vando is great but he’s not our only guy that can chase guys off ball, nor is he even the best, we do a good job stopping that aspect of golden states game in general even if Vando isn’t there

In the context of this series he might be but Curry going back to off ball and the warriors offense going back to what it’s been this season is better than Vando dying on ball screens

Vando on ball screens is a substantially bigger issue than other guys chasing Curry off ball, currys off ball stuff generally leads to cuts and stuff which we’ve basically been able to stop, for the most part we’ve done well in that regard outside of just Vando as well.

Vando just dies so badly in ball screens, esp considering it’s Curry running them and he’s prob the best guy ever at running them at this point in the way he does, that it turns into a hedge situation without us recovering, which we aren’t good at ideally. Beyond that Vando was a huge reason our offense stagnated last game

It was a 4 point win in g1 but from a process oriented standpoint if every game went that way this would be a 5 game series, similar to g2.

The thing is, THE warriors money play is that pick and roll 4v3, and we aren’t a team tha rotates well enough to defend it in that way. There are ways we can defend it which actually were very effective, but Vando on Curry gives them the money play unless he starts navigating those ball screens better


Huh. Okay, so which Laker is better at chasing Curry? and Why didn't the Lakers start with that guy chasing Curry instead of Vando?


Oh Vando asked for the matchup

I don’t think there are guys better at chasing him but we have other guys that are capable.

Dennis is probably a better matchup all around, and Reaves even though klay been going crazy, Reaves has been decent defensively klay just hitting some absurd shots

Curry is gonna get his, but Vando if he’s as bad as he is navigating ball screens as last game just isn’t viable. Curry and by extension the warriors offense with him on ball vs a hedging defense is far more dangerous than their general style of play, esp with how our defense operates.


Like generally speaking high drop + sagging off non shooters + top locking has been able to limit the warriors motion offense quite a bit, they basically killed us in transition which is fixable, and ball screens the moment Curry ran it and Vando was dying on them, or When we moved to hedging anyways which also didn’t work
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Post#327 » by Doctor MJ » Sat May 6, 2023 9:49 pm

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I mean Vando is great but he’s not our only guy that can chase guys off ball, nor is he even the best, we do a good job stopping that aspect of golden states game in general even if Vando isn’t there

In the context of this series he might be but Curry going back to off ball and the warriors offense going back to what it’s been this season is better than Vando dying on ball screens

Vando on ball screens is a substantially bigger issue than other guys chasing Curry off ball, currys off ball stuff generally leads to cuts and stuff which we’ve basically been able to stop, for the most part we’ve done well in that regard outside of just Vando as well.

Vando just dies so badly in ball screens, esp considering it’s Curry running them and he’s prob the best guy ever at running them at this point in the way he does, that it turns into a hedge situation without us recovering, which we aren’t good at ideally. Beyond that Vando was a huge reason our offense stagnated last game

It was a 4 point win in g1 but from a process oriented standpoint if every game went that way this would be a 5 game series, similar to g2.

The thing is, THE warriors money play is that pick and roll 4v3, and we aren’t a team tha rotates well enough to defend it in that way. There are ways we can defend it which actually were very effective, but Vando on Curry gives them the money play unless he starts navigating those ball screens better


Huh. Okay, so which Laker is better at chasing Curry? and Why didn't the Lakers start with that guy chasing Curry instead of Vando?


Oh Vando asked for the matchup

I don’t think there are guys better at chasing him but we have other guys that are capable.

Dennis is probably a better matchup all around, and Reaves even though klay been going crazy, Reaves has been decent defensively klay just hitting some absurd shots

Curry is gonna get his, but Vando if he’s as bad as he is navigating ball screens as last game just isn’t viable. Curry and by extension the warriors offense with him on ball vs a hedging defense is far more dangerous than their general style of play, esp with how our defense operates.


Hmm, I'm still confused. Do you disagree with this timeline?

Curry normally plays rover.
Curry began the series playing rover.
The Lakers were winning.
Curry switched to playing on-ball.
The Warriors began winning.

If you don't disagree, then Vando playing chaser deserves credit for making the Warriors want to change how they were using Curry, no?

None of that means you necessarily keep him in the game when Curry plays on-ball, but the fact that Vando's presence made the Warriors move to a Plan B seems like a weird thing to be dismissive of.
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Post#328 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 10:24 pm

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Huh. Okay, so which Laker is better at chasing Curry? and Why didn't the Lakers start with that guy chasing Curry instead of Vando?


Oh Vando asked for the matchup

I don’t think there are guys better at chasing him but we have other guys that are capable.

Dennis is probably a better matchup all around, and Reaves even though klay been going crazy, Reaves has been decent defensively klay just hitting some absurd shots

Curry is gonna get his, but Vando if he’s as bad as he is navigating ball screens as last game just isn’t viable. Curry and by extension the warriors offense with him on ball vs a hedging defense is far more dangerous than their general style of play, esp with how our defense operates.


Hmm, I'm still confused. Do you disagree with this timeline?

Curry normally plays rover.
Curry began the series playing rover.
The Lakers were winning.
Curry switched to playing on-ball.
The Warriors began winning.

If you don't disagree, then Vando playing chaser deserves credit for making the Warriors want to change how they were using Curry, no?

None of that means you necessarily keep him in the game when Curry plays on-ball, but the fact that Vando's presence made the Warriors move to a Plan B seems like a weird thing to be dismissive of.



If Vando is on Curry, they’ll make him play on ball, that’s the point

If we hedge on the warriors, they will play Curry on ball, that’s the money play of their offense.

It was far more than just Vando shut it down, we were top locking switching on guard to guard backed up in e paint on dray and looney to stop their cuts etc etc etc

The warriors plan A is no where near as potent against us as Curry on ball if we’re hedging given the respective strengths and weaknesses of our roster

If Vando can’t find a way to not completely die on those ball screens then he really can’t see that much time this series

If he’s barely a positive defensive and a horrible one defensively that’s a huge issue


It was really as simple as warriors went on ball and they did better, they scored 0.88ppp on pick and rolls in the first half of g2, and then we switched to hedging after halftime because Vando was getting killed on ball screens and that shot up to about 2ppp.

Dennis probably does the same job, Reaves potentially. I rather Curry run off ball than give up a 4v3 every possession
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Post#329 » by Doctor MJ » Sat May 6, 2023 10:51 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
Doctor MJ wrote:
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Oh Vando asked for the matchup

I don’t think there are guys better at chasing him but we have other guys that are capable.

Dennis is probably a better matchup all around, and Reaves even though klay been going crazy, Reaves has been decent defensively klay just hitting some absurd shots

Curry is gonna get his, but Vando if he’s as bad as he is navigating ball screens as last game just isn’t viable. Curry and by extension the warriors offense with him on ball vs a hedging defense is far more dangerous than their general style of play, esp with how our defense operates.


Hmm, I'm still confused. Do you disagree with this timeline?

Curry normally plays rover.
Curry began the series playing rover.
The Lakers were winning.
Curry switched to playing on-ball.
The Warriors began winning.

If you don't disagree, then Vando playing chaser deserves credit for making the Warriors want to change how they were using Curry, no?

None of that means you necessarily keep him in the game when Curry plays on-ball, but the fact that Vando's presence made the Warriors move to a Plan B seems like a weird thing to be dismissive of.



If Vando is on Curry, they’ll make him play on ball, that’s the point

If we hedge on the warriors, they will play Curry on ball, that’s the money play of their offense.

It was far more than just Vando shut it down, we were top locking switching on guard to guard backed up in e paint on dray and looney to stop their cuts etc etc etc

The warriors plan A is no where near as potent against us as Curry on ball if we’re hedging given the respective strengths and weaknesses of our roster

If Vando can’t find a way to not completely die on those ball screens then he really can’t see that much time this series

If he’s barely a positive defensive and a horrible one defensively that’s a huge issue


It was really as simple as warriors went on ball and they did better, they scored 0.88ppp on pick and rolls in the first half of g2, and then we switched to hedging after halftime because Vando was getting killed on ball screens and that shot up to about 2ppp.

Dennis probably does the same job, Reaves potentially. I rather Curry run off ball than give up a 4v3 every possession


Okay, thank you for the response.

I can certainly understand the argument that the natural equilibrium in this match up is for the Warriors to choose to play Curry on-ball, and in that circumstance Vando should be on the bench.

Leaving holistic stuff aside, it really impresses me to have a 6'9" guy who can chase Curry as effectively as Vando did.
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Post#330 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sat May 6, 2023 11:27 pm

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Hmm, I'm still confused. Do you disagree with this timeline?

Curry normally plays rover.
Curry began the series playing rover.
The Lakers were winning.
Curry switched to playing on-ball.
The Warriors began winning.

If you don't disagree, then Vando playing chaser deserves credit for making the Warriors want to change how they were using Curry, no?

None of that means you necessarily keep him in the game when Curry plays on-ball, but the fact that Vando's presence made the Warriors move to a Plan B seems like a weird thing to be dismissive of.



If Vando is on Curry, they’ll make him play on ball, that’s the point

If we hedge on the warriors, they will play Curry on ball, that’s the money play of their offense.

It was far more than just Vando shut it down, we were top locking switching on guard to guard backed up in e paint on dray and looney to stop their cuts etc etc etc

The warriors plan A is no where near as potent against us as Curry on ball if we’re hedging given the respective strengths and weaknesses of our roster

If Vando can’t find a way to not completely die on those ball screens then he really can’t see that much time this series

If he’s barely a positive defensive and a horrible one defensively that’s a huge issue


It was really as simple as warriors went on ball and they did better, they scored 0.88ppp on pick and rolls in the first half of g2, and then we switched to hedging after halftime because Vando was getting killed on ball screens and that shot up to about 2ppp.

Dennis probably does the same job, Reaves potentially. I rather Curry run off ball than give up a 4v3 every possession


Okay, thank you for the response.

I can certainly understand the argument that the natural equilibrium in this match up is for the Warriors to choose to play Curry on-ball, and in that circumstance Vando should be on the bench.

Leaving holistic stuff aside, it really impresses me to have a 6'9" guy who can chase Curry as effectively as Vando did.



Oh yeah, If Vando was better at navigating on ball screens he’s an all defensive type of talent, he really needs to get better at that though, he’s stupid mobile for his size
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Post#331 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2023 5:32 am

So certain impact stuff are gonna look horrible with ADs defense relative to his performance because of g2 vs the warriors (which was horrible and they didn’t score in garbage time) and g6 vs memphis (where we clamped them up and they didn’t score in garbage time), but this is probably the best defense I’ve seen someone play in the playoffs lol

To be very clear, this team defensively has consistently been a bottom 3 defensive team in the nba in games AD hasn’t played

I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol
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Post#332 » by OhayoKD » Sun May 7, 2023 7:07 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:So certain impact stuff are gonna look horrible with ADs defense relative to his performance because of g2 vs the warriors (which was horrible and they didn’t score in garbage time) and g6 vs memphis (where we clamped them up and they didn’t score in garbage time), but this is probably the best defense I’ve seen someone play in the playoffs lol

To be very clear, this team defensively has consistently been a bottom 3 defensive team in the nba in games AD hasn’t played

I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol

It might be the best defense in terms of high-end performance. But not in terms of mean. His defense was dumpster-fire bad for an atg big in game 2. Man wasn't even trying to contest and kept losing rebounds to looney and dray. Dude goes from "best ever" 1 game to "ayton-lite" the next.
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Post#333 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2023 7:54 am

OhayoKD wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:So certain impact stuff are gonna look horrible with ADs defense relative to his performance because of g2 vs the warriors (which was horrible and they didn’t score in garbage time) and g6 vs memphis (where we clamped them up and they didn’t score in garbage time), but this is probably the best defense I’ve seen someone play in the playoffs lol

To be very clear, this team defensively has consistently been a bottom 3 defensive team in the nba in games AD hasn’t played

I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol

It might be the best defense in terms of high-end performance. But not in terms of mean. His defense was dumpster-fire bad for an atg big in game 2. Man wasn't even trying to contest and kept losing rebounds to looney and dray. Dude goes from "best ever" 1 game to "ayton-lite" the next.


Uhh, no?

He had a bad defensive game 2 to an extent because we were down 20, were hedging because Vando was dying on screens and he wasn’t really in a position to do much if you got constant 2 or 3 v 1s cutting to the rim. jjj ain’t doing much better in that situation.

When we went down a lot we kinda gave up, it is what it is

He’s absolutely been consistently dominant defensively, he’s been inconsistent on offense, not on defense lol

His worse defensive performance outside of g2 was marginally worse than the DPOY’s best game in a good defensive series for him

The entire memphis series he completely dominated their defense, and in 2/3 warriors games he shut down the most unstoppable offensive system of this generation as well (emphasis on system, their cuts got nothing)
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Post#334 » by OhayoKD » Sun May 7, 2023 7:59 am

MyUniBroDavis wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:So certain impact stuff are gonna look horrible with ADs defense relative to his performance because of g2 vs the warriors (which was horrible and they didn’t score in garbage time) and g6 vs memphis (where we clamped them up and they didn’t score in garbage time), but this is probably the best defense I’ve seen someone play in the playoffs lol

To be very clear, this team defensively has consistently been a bottom 3 defensive team in the nba in games AD hasn’t played

I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol

It might be the best defense in terms of high-end performance. But not in terms of mean. His defense was dumpster-fire bad for an atg big in game 2. Man wasn't even trying to contest and kept losing rebounds to looney and dray. Dude goes from "best ever" 1 game to "ayton-lite" the next.


Uhh, no?

He had a bad defensive game 2 to an extent because we were down 20, were hedging because Vando was dying on screens and he wasn’t really in a position to do much if you got constant 2 or 3 v 1s cutting to the rim. jjj ain’t doing much better in that situation

He’s absolutely been consistently dominant defensively, he’s been inconsistent on offense, not on defense lol

His worse defensive performance outside of g2 was marginally worse than the DPOY’s best game in a good defensive series for him

He didn't even attempt deterring a bunch of shots at the rim he was in position to contest. It was happening throughout.
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Post#335 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2023 8:08 am

OhayoKD wrote:
MyUniBroDavis wrote:
OhayoKD wrote:It might be the best defense in terms of high-end performance. But not in terms of mean. His defense was dumpster-fire bad for an atg big in game 2. Man wasn't even trying to contest and kept losing rebounds to looney and dray. Dude goes from "best ever" 1 game to "ayton-lite" the next.


Uhh, no?

He had a bad defensive game 2 to an extent because we were down 20, were hedging because Vando was dying on screens and he wasn’t really in a position to do much if you got constant 2 or 3 v 1s cutting to the rim. jjj ain’t doing much better in that situation

He’s absolutely been consistently dominant defensively, he’s been inconsistent on offense, not on defense lol

His worse defensive performance outside of g2 was marginally worse than the DPOY’s best game in a good defensive series for him

He didn't even attempt deterring a bunch of shots at the rim he was in position to contest. It was happening throughout.


Again, he had one bad defensive game where they were down 20 and had a stupid gameplan, it happens lmao

There was a game guys shot 11/13 with JJJ at the rim does that mean he was inconsistent? Of course not, a bad game happens especially if the other team is up 20 and the warriors and u gotta be worried about offensive boards cuz ur the only guy under the rim

Saying this = every other game he’s been horrible on D means you haven’t been watching lol
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Post#336 » by Doctor MJ » Sun May 7, 2023 5:42 pm

MyUniBroDavis wrote:I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol


I think you might be right. When he's on, he just seems to be able to dominate whoever is wearing different colors.
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Re: 2022-23 RealGM All-Season Awards - Discussion Thread 

Post#337 » by MyUniBroDavis » Sun May 7, 2023 7:00 pm

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MyUniBroDavis wrote:I think alternative Day AD is maaaybe the best player in the league atm lol


I think you might be right. When he's on, he just seems to be able to dominate whoever is wearing different colors.


The defense has just been ridiculous so far

His impact stuff on defense are broken because the warriors went supernova vs us + game 6 garbage time, + us hedging g2 vs the warriors because of Vando which he can’t really do anything about (it was like -12.0 going into g6, would say he was fantastic defensively for 3/4 of those games too)

Aside from flukey three point shooting, mostly when he’s off the court (and of course AD being on the court means guys stay home more so I think it is just purely flukey), Teams are shooting 43% inside the arc with AD in the court

To put in perspective how insane that is, grizz we’re at 54.8% in the RS, warriors at 56.4%

He leads the nba in defensive rebounds and contested defensive rebounds, although the fact he’s the only guy contesting in the paint means guys are getting offensive boards a lot vs us.

He’s averaging 5.4 contested defensive rebounds a game, 2nd place among centers is Jokic at 3.8. In terms of % of contested rebounds he’s first at 48%, Jokic second at 39.5%. He’s 4th in def rebound conversion (which considering his contested rebound rate is great) while being one of the highest (second) in deferred defensive rebounds

Comparing him to peak Gobert rim protection wise, whose probably a top 10 defender ever or something like that

He’s contesting 10.7 shots within 10 feet, -21.8%, 37.5%
(2021 Gobert 10.9, -12.6, 46.5%)

He’s contesting 8.6 shots within 6 feet, -24.4%, 39.0%
(2021 Gobert 8.3, -13.6, 49.6%)

Beyond that, teams are REALLY afraid of him at the rim now lol.

He’s averaging 3.4 deflections per game (8th in the Nba, first for a center, about the same as the prime playoff Dray years), 3rd in defensive loose balls recovered, and contests the most threes on the Lakers (although were high dropping so that’s not too suprising)

People tend to not give him credit in terms of like his defensive IQ but it’s actually really high lol, it’s not dray level (no one is) but it’s absolutely great.


I wonder how it stacks up vs ATG runs defensively so far, don’t know if he can keep it up and it won’t look good vs denver, but I’m super curious how it’ll look. Personally I think he’s been more dominant on that end than playoff Dray was and I rate playoff Dray quite highly
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Re: 2022-23 RealGM All-Season Awards - Discussion Thread 

Post#338 » by rk2023 » Tue May 9, 2023 12:57 pm

Factoring in RS/PS impact as well as situation, I'm still deciding upon a lot of these awards and their corresponding selections. I'm unsure who my third choice for OPOY would be after Jokic and Curry.

It's hard to see either of these two not being a T-2 lock on the OPOY ballot. What they being to the table in this department is unparalleled (this label not equal to 'best ever', don't get me wrong) and I think this 'goodness' represents impact that is best in the league - bar none.
Mogspan wrote:I think they see the super rare combo of high IQ with freakish athleticism and overrate the former a bit, kind of like a hot girl who is rather articulate being thought of as “super smart.” I don’t know kind of a weird analogy, but you catch my drift.
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Re: 2022-23 RealGM All-Season Awards - Discussion Thread 

Post#339 » by rk2023 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:14 pm

Read on Twitter
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Very ‘interesting’ choices here.

This is how my ballot would have looked like, as a voter - assuming RS evaluation is the means behind selections. Worth noting I’m being more flexible with positions than how the league selects such.

G: Alex Caruso
G/F: Jrue Holiday
F: Jimmy Butler
F/C: Evan Mobley
C: Jaren Jackson Jr.

G: Derrick White
G/F: Jaden McDaniels
F: OG Anunoby
F/C: Anthony Davis
C: Brook Lopez
Mogspan wrote:I think they see the super rare combo of high IQ with freakish athleticism and overrate the former a bit, kind of like a hot girl who is rather articulate being thought of as “super smart.” I don’t know kind of a weird analogy, but you catch my drift.
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Re: 2022-23 RealGM All-Season Awards - Discussion Thread 

Post#340 » by Colbinii » Tue May 9, 2023 6:36 pm

rk2023 wrote:
Read on Twitter
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Very ‘interesting’ choices here.

This is how my ballot would have looked like, as a voter - assuming RS evaluation is the means behind selections. Worth noting I’m being more flexible with positions than how the league selects such.

G: Alex Caruso
G/F: Jrue Holiday
F: Jimmy Butler
F/C: Evan Mobley
C: Jaren Jackson Jr.

G: Derrick White
G/F: Jaden McDaniels
F: OG Anunoby
F/C: Anthony Davis
C: Brook Lopez


As the boards staunch Jaden McDaniels supporter, I didn't expect him to make the cut. I like him better than Brooks defensively [quicker, better lateral quickness, more spry vs Brooks advantage in strength, lower to ground] but they are in the same tier [to me].

It is nice to see the voters actually think about this rather than throw legacy votes like they did for Kobe for so many years [For example, had Giannis been voted in this year].

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