Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[Daver]

One thing Horst needs to take care of is creating some salary slots for 2024. It's his next window to make a big move using three FRPs (2024/2029/2031) + 2028/2030 swaps. Pat and Bobby will be making 22 mil combined. You probably need another contract to match salaries. I could see Allen taking 1 year extension just for this reason.

Until then I think Horst will stick to Jrue/Midds/Giannis/Brook core and try again with Nurse. Sliding Beauchamp in the starting lineup should be something to consider. Nurse has been good in developing long athletic wings. MarJon has the tools. Give it a shot and if it doesn't work fix it in the deadline.

Jrue/MarJon/Midds/Giannis/Brook with Allen/Pat/Bobby coming from the bench and Nurse coaching would be my plan for 2023. Trade the bench and the picks in 2024 to bring a legit No2 for Giannis to keep his window open with Jrue/Midds/Brook only getting older.

Does the majority of this board think marjon is a starter i think if the bucks get a rozier or fvv or someone like that he might be included in the trade.JMO wondering how this board feels

[MVP2110]

One thing Horst needs to take care of is creating some salary slots for 2024. It's his next window to make a big move using three FRPs (2024/2029/2031) + 2028/2030 swaps. Pat and Bobby will be making 22 mil combined. You probably need another contract to match salaries. I could see Allen taking 1 year extension just for this reason.

Until then I think Horst will stick to Jrue/Midds/Giannis/Brook core and try again with Nurse. Sliding Beauchamp in the starting lineup should be something to consider. Nurse has been good in developing long athletic wings. MarJon has the tools. Give it a shot and if it doesn't work fix it in the deadline.

Jrue/MarJon/Midds/Giannis/Brook with Allen/Pat/Bobby coming from the bench and Nurse coaching would be my plan for 2023. Trade the bench and the picks in 2024 to bring a legit No2 for Giannis to keep his window open with Jrue/Midds/Brook only getting older.

This had been my thinking the last few years but don't the new CBA rules basically screw this entire idea up? We can't both create salary slots and cut payroll enough to be under the apron correct?

[RiotPunch]

One thing Horst needs to take care of is creating some salary slots for 2024. It's his next window to make a big move using three FRPs (2024/2029/2031) + 2028/2030 swaps. Pat and Bobby will be making 22 mil combined. You probably need another contract to match salaries. I could see Allen taking 1 year extension just for this reason.

Until then I think Horst will stick to Jrue/Midds/Giannis/Brook core and try again with Nurse. Sliding Beauchamp in the starting lineup should be something to consider. Nurse has been good in developing long athletic wings. MarJon has the tools. Give it a shot and if it doesn't work fix it in the deadline.

Jrue/MarJon/Midds/Giannis/Brook with Allen/Pat/Bobby coming from the bench and Nurse coaching would be my plan for 2023. Trade the bench and the picks in 2024 to bring a legit No2 for Giannis to keep his window open with Jrue/Midds/Brook only getting older.

This had been my thinking the last few years but don't the new CBA rules basically screw this entire idea up? We can't both create salary slots and cut payroll enough to be under the apron correct?

Correct. Keeping the band back together means we're operating over the second apron, meaning picks six years out and up get frozen, effectively murdering that plan.

[mke_design]

Feels like we need a real PG

[JayMKE]

FVV’s shooting % is pretty terrible im surprised you guy’s like him, idgi.

[MickeyDavis]

FVV’s shooting % is pretty terrible im surprised you guy’s like him, idgi.

Yup. He shoots more and at a lower percentage than Jrue. We don't need another chucker

[fan230]

We need to get both Brook and Khris back if possible.

Then we badly need a genuine PG who can playmake.

Mjb: Not sure of how good he would become but we need more youth in our team pretty badly even if it is deeper in our roster.

If we cannot find the “right” player here for whatever reason, we may want to search in the European market.

[theFireBlanket]

We need to get both Brook and Khris back if possible.

Then we badly need a genuine PG who can playmake.

Mjb: Not sure of how good he would become but we need more youth in our team pretty badly even if it is deeper in our roster.

If we cannot find the “right” player here for whatever reason, we may want to search in the European market.

They should go after Micic & move Jrue off the ball more.

[fan230]

We need to get both Brook and Khris back if possible.

Then we badly need a genuine PG who can playmake.

Mjb: Not sure of how good he would become but we need more youth in our team pretty badly even if it is deeper in our roster.

If we cannot find the “right” player here for whatever reason, we may want to search in the European market.

They should go after Micic & move Jrue off the ball more.

If you have seen him play or know more about him than what Wikipedia says, please share your thoughts about his abilities. He seems to be a good free throw shooter and was Euro League Mvp.
I would really like Horst to think outside the box to get players for our team —- after keeping our big 4 intact.

[Beorn]

I don't think Micic is the answer, he is probably the best lead guard in Europe right now but he calls his own number A LOT**. In EL it worked, since he is bigger and more skilled that almost anyone in his position. In the NBA he will be a defensive liability, and we have to see if he will continue thriving as the 4th option in a team. I would love him, but I am unsure of his fit here as the sole PG. He would kill it as a 6th man.

**To be fair, he and Shane Larkin chucked more efficiently (with their coach's permssion) and more successfully than anyone else in EL history, and if the '20 season hadn't been suspended they may have achieved a threepeat.

[slos]

One thing Horst needs to take care of is creating some salary slots for 2024. It's his next window to make a big move using three FRPs (2024/2029/2031) + 2028/2030 swaps. Pat and Bobby will be making 22 mil combined. You probably need another contract to match salaries. I could see Allen taking 1 year extension just for this reason.

Until then I think Horst will stick to Jrue/Midds/Giannis/Brook core and try again with Nurse. Sliding Beauchamp in the starting lineup should be something to consider. Nurse has been good in developing long athletic wings. MarJon has the tools. Give it a shot and if it doesn't work fix it in the deadline.

Jrue/MarJon/Midds/Giannis/Brook with Allen/Pat/Bobby coming from the bench and Nurse coaching would be my plan for 2023. Trade the bench and the picks in 2024 to bring a legit No2 for Giannis to keep his window open with Jrue/Midds/Brook only getting older.

This had been my thinking the last few years but don't the new CBA rules basically screw this entire idea up? We can't both create salary slots and cut payroll enough to be under the apron correct?

Actually I think we can. Remember that the cap is going up, but both Jrue’s and Midds’ salaries can be going down.

Speaking about 2024 Bucks are 62 mil under the tax with Giannis, Jrue (39.4 mil, PO), Bobby, Pat, Marjon. I guess 62 mil will be enough for Midds, Brook, Allen to keep your top 8. Then you have another 17,5 mil before you hit the apron.

It will be tricky to make an all in move in 2024 without worrying about limitations, but it’s doable. Bring back Middleton in a new 4y deal, but do it in a opt in (40 mil in 2023) and extend in lower figures moving forward. You can do the same with Brook. Give him a fat 1 year extension and talk him into resigning cheaper moving forward. Maybe Jrue could be talked into declining his PO in 2024 to sign a new 3/100.

Assuming everyone is in board with this Bucks can even be 10 mil under the tax with the same Top 8 in 2024. Which opens the Allen + Pat + Bobby + picks route for another all in move.

[theFireBlanket]

I don't think Micic is the answer, he is probably the best lead guard in Europe right now but he calls his own number A LOT**. In EL it worked, since he is bigger and more skilled that almost anyone in his position. In the NBA he will be a defensive liability, and we have to see if he will continue thriving as the 4th option in a team. I would love him, but I am unsure of his fit here as the sole PG. He would kill it as a 6th man.

**To be fair, he and Shane Larkin chucked more efficiently (with their coach's permssion) and more successfully than anyone else in EL history, and if the '20 season hadn't been suspended they may have achieved a threepeat.

He's an excellent ballhandler & makes plays. If we had Micic & Jrue, he'd give Jrue more reserve for defense & other parts of the game. At the very least they switch off point duties. Then you also have 5 players, assuming Khris & Brook are back, who playmake with the ability to score.

Noticed when Jrue's usg was at its lowest as a Buck, marginal he averaged his lowest turnover rate in his career. Khris healthy might have had something to do with that. Plenty of us harp on his dumb turnovers the past two postseasons.

You mitigate that with more ballhandlers in the starting 5. Khris, Micic & Giannis.

[fan230]

I don't think Micic is the answer, he is probably the best lead guard in Europe right now but he calls his own number A LOT**. In EL it worked, since he is bigger and more skilled that almost anyone in his position. In the NBA he will be a defensive liability, and we have to see if he will continue thriving as the 4th option in a team. I would love him, but I am unsure of his fit here as the sole PG. He would kill it as a 6th man.

**To be fair, he and Shane Larkin chucked more efficiently (with their coach's permssion) and more successfully than anyone else in EL history, and if the '20 season hadn't been suspended they may have achieved a threepeat.

He's an excellent ballhandler & makes plays. If we had Micic & Jrue, he'd give Jrue more reserve for defense & other parts of the game. At the very least they switch off point duties. Then you also have 5 players, assuming Khris & Brook are back, who playmake with the ability to score.

Noticed when Jrue's usg was at its lowest as a Buck, marginal he averaged his lowest turnover rate in his career. Khris healthy might have had something to do with that. Plenty of us harp on his dumb turnovers the past two postseasons.

You mitigate that with more ballhandlers in the starting 5. Khris, Micic & Giannis.

Great insights from both of you. Thanks!

We badly need an offensive playmaker pg who probably has to be somewhat ok on defense.

[-Jragon-]

Giannis should be on the phone with Porzingus rn... double sign and trade for Middleton would benefit each wouldn't it? F the Wizards

[msiris]

Jrue would not take a back seat to anyone.

[Chad34]

Jrue would not take a back seat to anyone.

he might need to get a little humility then, because he's not a very good facilitator. sg is his best position

[ReasonablySober]

Jrue would not take a back seat to anyone.

As a PG he's taken a back seat to Giannis since he's been here.

The question is how Giannis would function in an offense where he isn't the primary creator.

[theFireBlanket]

Jrue would not take a back seat to anyone.

As a PG he's taken a back seat to Giannis since he's been here.

The question is how Giannis would function in an offense where he isn't the primary creator.

Arguably taken a backseat to Khris as well.

[jute2003]

Jrue would not take a back seat to anyone.

As a PG he's taken a back seat to Giannis since he's been here.

The question is how Giannis would function in an offense where he isn't the primary creator.

Yeah. Jrue would not be the problem if a facilitator was brought in.

[zmanishere11]

Easiest thing we could do to help this team is start Beauchamp.

Let him play big minutes in the regular season and see if you have something there.

Run it back with everyone else and a new coach and see what happens in 2024