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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#581 » by FlyingArrow » Mon May 8, 2023 12:46 am

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It's surprising to me that they would say that. Harden jumped forward (or at least kicked his legs forward). If he comes straight down, he's fine. Williams jumped first. Seems like he has a right to land, too.

Harden doesn't always kick his legs forward:
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#582 » by Jay555 » Mon May 8, 2023 12:55 am

mjkvol wrote:James Harden essentially saved Rivers' job today. If they had blown that game in the fashion it appeared it would happen, and then lost game 5, I think it might have finally been the end. Thrilled with Harden's performance, but I don't know whether to thank him or curse him.

The Celtics played like garbage all day, like a team looking to give this game up and get to Boston for game 5. Once they smelled blood in the 4th they took the game to the Sixers, and everyone but Harden and Tucker wilted. I don't want to hear a single thing about Harden and sign & trades to Houston or whoever - if he's not back next year, I'm in for a tear down.

It's really hard to imagine the Sixers taking two of three from Boston, especially when they require heroics from either Harden or Embiid to beat them. Was Tobias Harris even playing today?


"THAT'S TWO GAMES HARDEN HAS WON FOR US. I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYMORE SLANDER OF THIS BEARDED WIZARD MAN"

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Like I said, Harden can not do this every game. He prob can do it one more time I think. (be excicted if 2 but he will be dead after the OT). Him/Embiid will be gassed next game. I hope Maxey has a 30 pt piece to bring us home. He needs one and he's due one. Gonna need everyone else to help contribute to get a game from Boston.
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#583 » by Mik317 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:00 am

nah you get slander after two back to back terrible games.

Maxey has won us playoff games too....he damn sure deserves slander for his performance right now. Biid had a great first 3 quarters...but fell off a cliff in the 4th. None of this means these guys are the worst but it is what it is.
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#584 » by HotelVitale » Mon May 8, 2023 1:02 am

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Jailblazers7 wrote:Harden was incredible but it’s terrifying how dependent we are on him offensively.

I’d really like to see us cut harder throughout the course of the game. We often do lazy cuts to clear out some spacing but it’s never threatening to the defense.


Morey did a poor job at the trade deadline. We needed another shot creator or playmaker especially against this Boston team. Tobi and Maxey are not shotcreators they are more of the 3 level scorer ilk.


Not the worlds biggest Morey fan but why would you expect anyone to turn bad players and some 2nd rounders into a high level creator who can play enough defense etc to stay on the court in the PO?
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#585 » by mjkvol » Mon May 8, 2023 1:02 am

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mjkvol wrote:James Harden essentially saved Rivers' job today. If they had blown that game in the fashion it appeared it would happen, and then lost game 5, I think it might have finally been the end. Thrilled with Harden's performance, but I don't know whether to thank him or curse him.

The Celtics played like garbage all day, like a team looking to give this game up and get to Boston for game 5. Once they smelled blood in the 4th they took the game to the Sixers, and everyone but Harden and Tucker wilted. I don't want to hear a single thing about Harden and sign & trades to Houston or whoever - if he's not back next year, I'm in for a tear down.

It's really hard to imagine the Sixers taking two of three from Boston, especially when they require heroics from either Harden or Embiid to beat them. Was Tobias Harris even playing today?


"THAT'S TWO GAMES HARDEN HAS WON FOR US. I DON'T WANNA HEAR ANYMORE SLANDER OF THIS BEARDED WIZARD MAN"

Copied the above quote from Reddit.

Like I said, Harden can not do this every game. He prob can do it one more time I think. (be excicted if 2 but he will be dead after the OT). Him/Embiid will be gassed next game. I hope Maxey has a 30 pt piece to bring us home. He needs one and he's due one. Gonna need everyone else to help contribute to get a game from Boston.


For all the people on here calling for Harden to be shipped out, it's funny to think that without two all-world performances by him this series is already over.

My take about keeping him or tearing it down has been consistent - you let him go and we are back in the same purgatory we were before last season, with an ill fitting roster that has no shot of competing.

Keep Harden, and move Harris, Shake, Korkmaz, and probably Niang to bring in better fitting pieces. And most importantly, give Rivers his walking papers and hire a legit 21st century coach.
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#586 » by Murray_17 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:13 am

HotelVitale wrote:
phillynative wrote:
Jailblazers7 wrote:Harden was incredible but it’s terrifying how dependent we are on him offensively.

I’d really like to see us cut harder throughout the course of the game. We often do lazy cuts to clear out some spacing but it’s never threatening to the defense.


Morey did a poor job at the trade deadline. We needed another shot creator or playmaker especially against this Boston team. Tobi and Maxey are not shotcreators they are more of the 3 level scorer ilk.


Not the worlds biggest Morey fan but why would you expect anyone to turn bad players and some 2nd rounders into a high level creator who can play enough defense etc to stay on the court in the PO?


I also don't understand some of the criticism in the moves Morey made. Would i bring House for example with that money? no, but it's probable Harden asked for those guys as a condition to reduce his money and that's the only reason we had those moves available.

PJ was literally being demanded by Embiid too.

At the end of the day the only move that Morey probably made on his own was the Melton trade and the fact we got him with a late first it's norhing short of a miracle.

The Dedmon move was stupid, yes. But we also always are gonna need a troop of back up centers with Embiid as our best player
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#587 » by Mik317 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:16 am

you only let Harden walk if for some reason you can get something of value for him in a S&T and also something for Tobias....otherwise you might as well just run it back and hope that a coaching change, more athletes or Biid finally getting his MVP allows some changes...idk

i get the arguments either way. Its up to people who are supposed to be smarter than me to make the correct decision lol.

That being said....i think some recency bias is also at play right now. If he comes out and lays an egg in game 5 then who gives a **** about this game and game 1? Same goes for everyone...unless we win then who really gives a **** about anything lol.

just win baybee

(that being said, I think we lose the next two....feels like its Sad Boi Embiid time and Harden may just be out of juice as well. Feels like Boston will tighten up and end it in 6 IMO.)
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#588 » by mjkvol » Mon May 8, 2023 1:21 am

Mik317 wrote:you only let Harden walk if for some reason you can get something of value for him in a S&T and also something for Tobias....otherwise you might as well just run it back and hope that a coaching change, more athletes or Biid finally getting his MVP allows some changes...idk

i get the arguments either way. Its up to people who are supposed to be smarter than me to make the correct decision lol.

That being said....i think some recency bias is also at play right now. If he comes out and lays an egg in game 5 then who gives a **** about this game and game 1? Same goes for everyone...unless we win then who really gives a **** about anything lol.

just win baybee

(that being said, I think we lose the next two....feels like its Sad Boi Embiid time and Harden may just be out of juice as well. Feels like Boston will tighten up and end it in 6 IMO.)


Wouldn't it be vintage Sixers to win game 5 and then lose 6 and 7 in excruciating fashion?
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#589 » by Mik317 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:22 am

mjkvol wrote:
Mik317 wrote:you only let Harden walk if for some reason you can get something of value for him in a S&T and also something for Tobias....otherwise you might as well just run it back and hope that a coaching change, more athletes or Biid finally getting his MVP allows some changes...idk

i get the arguments either way. Its up to people who are supposed to be smarter than me to make the correct decision lol.

That being said....i think some recency bias is also at play right now. If he comes out and lays an egg in game 5 then who gives a **** about this game and game 1? Same goes for everyone...unless we win then who really gives a **** about anything lol.

just win baybee

(that being said, I think we lose the next two....feels like its Sad Boi Embiid time and Harden may just be out of juice as well. Feels like Boston will tighten up and end it in 6 IMO.)


Wouldn't it be vintage Sixers to win game 5 and then lose 6 and 7 in excruciating fashion?



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oh god.

this is happening isn't it?

on a Horford game 7 winner too
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#590 » by Jay555 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:25 am

Mik317 wrote:you only let Harden walk if for some reason you can get something of value for him in a S&T and also something for Tobias....otherwise you might as well just run it back and hope that a coaching change, more athletes or Biid finally getting his MVP allows some changes...idk

i get the arguments either way. Its up to people who are supposed to be smarter than me to make the correct decision lol.

That being said....i think some recency bias is also at play right now. If he comes out and lays an egg in game 5 then who gives a **** about this game and game 1? Same goes for everyone...unless we win then who really gives a **** about anything lol.

just win baybee

(that being said, I think we lose the next two....feels like its Sad Boi Embiid time and Harden may just be out of juice as well. Feels like Boston will tighten up and end it in 6 IMO.)



Agreed. Run it back and show Doc the door is all we need to do.

I also think Boston will win the next two lol unless we get an all time performance from Embiid or Maxey. I basically write Harden off for G5 as he won't have the stamina to go for another 40 pts.
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#591 » by phillynative » Mon May 8, 2023 1:26 am

youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Sixercise wrote:
Who's the biggest offender....Tatum's pushoff? Marcus Smart? or Doris Burke?


The Tatum push off was awful, but Burke and Jones are by far the most brutal, offensive national broadcast crew I've heard, maybe ever. My wife and I were groaning the entire game - Jones' unending triteness, Doris acting like her every utterance is profound - virtually unlistenable. It was so bad I was longing for Reggie Miller.


Don't you dare say that!


I was gonna say no way they were that bad :lol:
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#592 » by mjkvol » Mon May 8, 2023 1:29 am

phillynative wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
The Tatum push off was awful, but Burke and Jones are by far the most brutal, offensive national broadcast crew I've heard, maybe ever. My wife and I were groaning the entire game - Jones' unending triteness, Doris acting like her every utterance is profound - virtually unlistenable. It was so bad I was longing for Reggie Miller.


Don't you dare say that!


I was gonna say no way they were that bad :lol:


Way worse. Kate and Alaa level bad, and I never thought I'd say that about anyone.
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#593 » by FlyingArrow » Mon May 8, 2023 1:35 am

Consider these four tasks:

* Win 1 out of 1 at home
* Win 1 out of 2 on the road
* Win 1 out of 1 on the road
* Win 2 out of 2 at home

The first two are both easier than the last two, and the first two are our two tasks. The last two are the Celtics' tasks. Our two tasks are the two easiest, so we should be favored! (Just ignore the fact that we need to both of our tasks but the Celtics only need to do one of theirs...)
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#594 » by phillynative » Mon May 8, 2023 1:36 am

eyeatoma wrote:This man sees us.

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What is Embiid referring to here?
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#595 » by youngcrev » Mon May 8, 2023 1:51 am

phillynative wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:This man sees us.

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What is Embiid referring to here?

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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#596 » by eyeatoma » Mon May 8, 2023 2:09 am

phillynative wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:This man sees us.

Read on Twitter
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What is Embiid referring to here?
People think he was taking shots at Harden and Maxey. There was a tweet that was blowing up saying he was. Rich Hoffman from the athletic got the whole quote and was correcting people and saying don't take things out of context.

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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#597 » by rocketsfan100 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:17 am

Jay555 wrote:
Mik317 wrote:you only let Harden walk if for some reason you can get something of value for him in a S&T and also something for Tobias....otherwise you might as well just run it back and hope that a coaching change, more athletes or Biid finally getting his MVP allows some changes...idk

i get the arguments either way. Its up to people who are supposed to be smarter than me to make the correct decision lol.

That being said....i think some recency bias is also at play right now. If he comes out and lays an egg in game 5 then who gives a **** about this game and game 1? Same goes for everyone...unless we win then who really gives a **** about anything lol.

just win baybee

(that being said, I think we lose the next two....feels like its Sad Boi Embiid time and Harden may just be out of juice as well. Feels like Boston will tighten up and end it in 6 IMO.)



Agreed. Run it back and show Doc the door is all we need to do.

I also think Boston will win the next two lol unless we get an all time performance from Embiid or Maxey. I basically write Harden off for G5 as he won't have the stamina to go for another 40 pts.

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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#598 » by Murray_17 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:18 am

Nurse seems to have a serious Ego issue and it's only good on defense. Give me Lue
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#599 » by Embiid P » Mon May 8, 2023 2:19 am

mjkvol wrote:
DCasey91 wrote:;pp=ygUabWF4YW1pbGxpb243MTEgdG9ueSBwYXJrZXI%3D

I do think the Sixers should give him a call and mentor Maxey. Dude was so nice inside 2:30 - 2:55 wow that was filth.


Maxey isn't in the same strastosphere as Parker right now. He needs to learn how to find those small spaces inside the way Parker always could. Maxey takes it right at defenders, and if he can't win with his speed he has nowhere else to go. Major work in progress, and he could use a guy like Parker to mentor him. Also, Maxey has abandoned his midrange game and that little floater. Not sure if that's on purpose from Rivers and Cassell's coaching, but it's something he needs to get back to.


Agreed. I definitely think he'll tirelessly work on improving his game in that regard in the offseason.

The question is, do we hold off on extending him until he takes the next step in elevating his game or do we just bite the bullet and extend him now? Or just look to move him for the right price?
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Re: R2G4 - 76ers vs Celtics - May 7 3:30pm ET ESPN 

Post#600 » by Mik317 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:22 am

Maxey makes nothing and because he is owed a contract...my guess is that his value is in a weird spot.

rookie maxes aren't killers IMO and its not like NOT paying him frees up money, no? His youth and flash scoring and personality should also keep his value up for a bit IMO
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