2023 Draft Discussion

[Ghost of Kleine]

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A lot of very promising underrated young talent with high upside (if developed correctly for us to consider that will likely fall in the late 2nd to undrafted range at a premium discount if we take it! Again, under the new CBA, we'll now have 3 two way contract slots to offer and very soon our own G league team to ensure proper development of talent. Anyways, the top 3 value considerations here that we should emphatically consider are:

Tier 1
1- Leaky Black.
Very similar to Herb Jones in terms of elite potential defensive versatility. But also with some guard skills at 6'8- 6'9. Great defensive awareness and anticipation. impressive disruptive defender with a good shooting stroke and underrated passing/ court vision. Has a high motor and tenacious recovery defender. Also is very versatile two way 3 and D prospect overall.

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2- Sir Jabari Rice.
6'4 with a 6'9 wingspan and a lethal jump shot and unstoppable shot fake! Very similar to Jordan Poole in terms of in terms of elite high end shooting/ versatile scoring package. He's the ultimate 6th man type with great poise and in game instincts and again just has a beautiful/clean jump shot and the most elite, unstoppable pump fake in college basketball. Might be somewhat of a budget Michael Redd with Sam Young's elite pump fake??

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3- Drew Peterson.
Very similar to a young (pre injury) Gordon Hayward. Great size at 6'9 with some guard/ playmaking skills. And a big shot maker with a high motor and good tenacity. High basketball IQ as well. He's got really impressive guard skills with advanced ball handling and playmaking abilities, is a tenacious defender who is always hustling, and has good dribble/drive abilities too.

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Tier 2
1- Colin Castleton.
6'11 240 lbs with a 7'1 wingspan with good ballhandling, polished offensive versatility, 3 PT shooting and shot blocking. Has a high motor, is a solid rebounder, good shot blocker and tenacious defender. Kind of a budget version of Markannen. Or a better premium version of Raef Lafrentz/ Brad Miller.

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2- Antoine Davis.
An absolute microwave scoring dynamo. Can hit shots fluidly and quickly from anywhere on the court. Was only 3 points away from smashing "Pistol Pete Maravich's all time scoring record in college. He's an absolute bucket!! Pretty much a more offensively explosive budget version of young Kemba Walker/ Ben Gordon with a splash of Rafer Alston.

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3- Zvonimir Ivisic.
A 7'2 242 lbs with a 7'6.5 wingspan. He's basically a slightly smaller budget version of Wemby (with less flash) or Porzingis only quicker and with some guard / ballhandling skills. He's got a very impressive three point shot, impressive fluidity and vertical burst too. He's just incredibly versatile for his size and loaded with potential.

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Tier 3
1- Joey Hauser.
Sam Hauser's brother 6'9 very similar. Joey Hauser is a 6'9 well built forward with good strength, physicality, mobility, and a high basketball IQ. Best of all is like his brother Sam (currently playing for Celtics) is a phenomenal movement and spot up shooter. He's basically a budget version of Bogdanovic (Pistons) or a slightly bigger more rugged Doug Mcdermott.

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2- Caleb McConnell.
A true lockdown defender very similar to Thybulle, but with playmaking. Caleb is a 6'7 wing/ with a really high motore and great tenacity who's an incredible disruptive defender and a very rugged, physical non stop defender. He's basically a 6'7 Thybulle or like a 6'7 version of "the defensive pest" Jose Alvarado.

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3- Ousmane N'diaye.
6'11 with a 7'3 wingspan and incredible length, fluidity and versatility. Not near the same ability (currently) but very similar skillset/ abilities to Giannis in overall length, fluidity, versatility and vertical pop! Ousmane is yet another young near 7 ft unicorn wing with great length and versatility. Although very raw, IF developed in a strong supportive environment, his incredible skillset versatility and talent gives him sky high potential. Similar archetype skillset/ abilities to a Giannis and/or Siakim as an incredibly long and talented wing/forward that can guard multiple positions, has a good jump shot, rebounds well, has impressive ball handling and playmaking potential too. He could become a walking mismatch. Again, He hasn't been playing basketball very long, And is still pretty raw and inexperienced. But the tools to be elite are absolutely there to build upon!

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[Ghost of Kleine]

https://www.tankathon.com/players/bilal-coulibaly
6'6 - 6'7 with a 7'3 wingspan!

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This kid reminds me A LOT of Mikal Bridges! He's still young and has a very high ceiling. But he already moves, scores, defends and glides around the court and skies above the rim effortlessly and smooth just like Bridges. We absolutely should look to pick up a late first to early 2nd round pick to snag this kid!

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[Ghost of Kleine]

I know that the draft is inconsequential right now to everyone. And that's perfectly fine as we're still alive and fighting in the playoffs! But it absolutely will be of paramount importance in order for us to start maintaining a level of cost control for our bench and filling out our depth with young, cheap upside talent that at some point contribute, or become legitimate trade assets for us in time! And with respect to the impact and versatility that Jokic has provided the Nuggets in this series, I'll again mention this young polished center prospect:

JAKE STEPHENS (Chattanooga).
https://www.noceilingsnba.com/p/the-prospect-overview-jake-stephens

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Jake Stephens is 7'0" with a 7'10" wingspan, and he's hit 45.1% of his threes the past two seasons. The Chattanooga big man is one of the most interesting and exciting sleepers in the 2023 NBA Draft!

MAXWELL BAUMBACH
MAR 21, 2023

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He measures in at 7’0” with a 7’10” wingspan and is listed at 275 pounds. He’s good at all the things you’d expect him to be good at. Stephens averaged 9.8 rebounds per game this past season. He uses his large, powerful frame to destroy opponents inside. Stephens made 70.6% of his shots at the basket, per Synergy, ranking him in Division I’s 91st percentile. He scored 1.073 points per possession on post-ups, slotting him in the 89th percentile on those possessions. Stephens sets awesome screens, making contact with his intended target and getting space for his guards. His comically long arms and strong chest make him a formidable rim protector, too. Opponents bounce off his chest, and he’s able to impede just about everything. Stephens blocked 2.2 shots per game this past season and had a block percentage of 8.0. Per Synergy, opposing teams shoot 40.4% at the rim against him in the halfcourt. Simply put, it’s not easy to put the ball in the basket when he’s on the floor.

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Here’s the kicker—Stephens is really good at the thing you wouldn’t expect him to be good at. He’s more than just really good—he’s an elite three-point shooter. During his first three college seasons, he was good for his position, hitting 33% of his 3.9 triples per contest. However, it was before his senior campaign that he made a leap. During an interview with Jake, which you can listen to in full on our podcast feed, he outlined what led to that jump.

“It had been three years in the mid-to-low thirties. And Coach Earl brings me in at our end of the year meeting…and he’s like, ‘great player, love everything you do, but for you to take us to the next step, you’re gonna have to become a knockdown shooter.’ And I’m like, kinda hurt! That’s the name of my game, that’s what I do, but obviously, the numbers are saying otherwise…At that point, I’m like, let’s scrap it, let’s go back to the drawing board, more reps, more shots.” tephens went on to outline how he worked on speeding up his motion, tweaking his elbow placement, and the different shooting drills he went through. To say the work paid off would be a giant understatement. Stephens ranked in the 95th percentile as a jump shooter this past season, per Synergy. Over the past two seasons, he’s converted 45.3% of his threes on 5.1 attempts per game. These aren’t wide-open, standing-in-the-corner, catch-and-shoot looks, either. Stephens often has to move into his shot, whether it be as a trailer, setting his feet after a screen, or backpedaling into his shot. The way he prepares for his shot, getting his feet under him and his knees bent just the right amount, is a thing of beauty. His pre-shot motion resembles that of a much smaller player. Because he’s so huge, his shot is a nightmare to impede and contest.

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The icing on the cake is Stephens’s absurd passing game. He’s wildly skilled in this department, making him a nightmare in handoff settings. His jump shot pulls the opposing big away from the basket, so if a guard turns the corner quickly, they have to keep pace. Sag, and you’ll be giving a high-end shooter an open three. Whether it’s the basic feed to a cutter or a long, cross-court pass from the post, Stephens can make it.

“I’ll be honest, I didn’t know I was a great passer. My brother’s a point guard, he has great vision, he would find me. That was his job, not mine. I didn’t really see that in my game. Which is even crazier for Coach Earl [his coach at both VMI and Chattanooga] to bring me in as a [then] 6’9” big and be like, ‘this is gonna be the guy that passes and we run the offense through him…The biggest thing for me with passing came down to, ‘how can you effect the game without scoring?’…It’s not so much about the fancy pass, it’s about the right pass, and finding the guy that’s open.”

Stephens averaged 3.4 assists per game this past season. His 25.2 Assist Percentage is absurd, one of the three highest in Division I for players 6’10” and above. His decision-making is sound, too—he posted a 14.5 turnover percentage, which was the lowest of his career. Not only does Stephens make plays for his teammates, but he limits his own mistakes. Still, he’s mesmerizing with the ball. His timing and ability to hit his teammate right where he needs to while they are in motion are stellar. It’d be impressive if it were anyone, but it’s especially impressive for a big man.

But frankly, Jake Stephens is a flier I would be more than willing to take. I’d want him in my building, plain and simple. When I interviewed his college coach Dan Earl this past off-season, he raved about Jake’s worth ethic and leadership. Using my draft model which tracks the production of NBA players who earned or are on pace to earn a second NBA contract, Stephens has no red flags and grades out well in most areas, a common trait for mid-major success stories. His Synergy page speaks to his offensive versatility—he scores more than one point per possession as a pick-and-roll roll man, as well as on post-ups, spot-ups, transition plays, cuts, put-backs, and handoffs. He’s a useful scorer everywhere on the floor. Throw a small on him and he’ll bully them. Put a big on him and live with the fact that they’ll have to play away from the basket. He’s a mismatch problem on offense, but because he’s a dynamite passer, he actively makes his other teammates better, too. For Stephens, the name of the game is being such an offensive powerhouse that it overrides any issues that arise on defense. On that end of the floor, he just needs to become passable. If he can thrive in a drop, or if a team is comfortable going to a zone with him (something we’ve seen more often lately, and a tactic the Dallas Mavericks used in the playoffs a few years ago to keep Boban Marjanovic on the floor), there’s a path for him to be a unique, effective back-up. The offense is about spacing the floor as a shooter and operating handoffs, the defense is about staying above water.

I get it—Jake Stephens is not Bam Adebayo. He’s not even close. But he’s 7’0”, he’s got a 7’10” wingspan, he’ll space the floor as well as anyone, and he’s a dynamite passer. I understand the agility and mobility concerns, and I recognize that they may keep him out of the league. But the NBA is increasingly focused on size and skill, and Stephens has heaps of both. If it’s a size and skill league, it feels preposterous to not bring him in for a look. Whether it’s on an Exhibit-10 contract or a mere Summer League invite, every team should be considering it. Personally, he’d be a priority Exhibit-10 player for me. That way, if things don’t go as planned and I don’t want him on a two-way deal, I can at least funnel him to my G League affiliate and see where he can get athletically in the next year. Coming from schools like Chattanooga and VMI, Stephens hasn’t had access to the highest levels of training. Despite that, he’s moved better and gotten off the floor better each season. As Tyler Rucker recently mentioned, it’s overthinking season. Let’s not do that with Jake Stephens. He just finished growing, he’s moving better, and his across-the-board production is absurd. On top of that, he’s improved every single year of his college career. They don’t grow high feel, elite shooters on trees, and if they did, this one would be so big that he uprooted the entire thing. If Jake Stephens isn’t worth a low-risk flier, then I don’t know who is.

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So basically he's obviously no Jokic. And in the 2nd to undrafted range, you're really not looking for a star prospect anyways. But IF you're able to actually find a solid contributor with a promising skillset that can add depth, it's a win in terms of value! Again, he is 7'0 275 lbs with a near 8 ft wingspan, A super high IQ, a knockdown 3 PT shooter, and a sensational passer (just like Jokic. He's not yet an NBA level athlete, but he's working hard on his conditioning and athleticism. And would offer extreme high floor value of the bench at a very minimal cost!!

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This kid just reminds me so much of young rookie Mikal Bridges! The way he moves, glides around the court, his effortless above the rim athleticism, his slick ballhandling, his graceful yet crafty scoring, his stealthy defense and weakside recovery, his long wingspan, speed and overall fluidity. His great mechanics and smooth shooting his impressive disruptive defense. His high basketball IQ and poise. And you should see his synergy statistics and efficiency percentages! I posted them in a previous post right before the one above this one.

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He'll enjoy a similar surprise rookie impact trajectory to Benedict Mathurin on the Pacers!!!

[kennydorglas]

Lets bump this thread.
We may need every bit of info we could get now.

[Slim Charless]

Lets bump this thread.
We may need every bit of info we could get now.

Ish needs to spend some of his billions buying picks from other owners. It's the least he could do since this KD trade was his idea. I bet we can get a late first from someone like Indiana since they have like 3 of them this season and a ton of young players already.

He also needs to hire a top notch scouting crew. Hopefully someone from OKC or Miami.....


.........and fire Monty.

[Ghost of Kleine]

Lets bump this thread.
We may need every bit of info we could get now.

Well, I did leave you guys with 10 pages to keep people occupied and foster some discussions in our early off-season!
We might have a lot to discuss with the upcoming draft and our current lack of cap and/or talent!

[Ghost of Kleine]

Lets bump this thread.
We may need every bit of info we could get now.

Ish needs to spend some of his billions buying picks from other owners. It's the least he could do since this KD trade was his idea. I bet we can get a late first from someone like Indiana since they have like 3 of them this season and a ton of young players already.

He also needs to hire a top notch scouting crew. Hopefully someone from OKC or Miami.....


.........and fire Monty.

Everything you've said is 100% on point as usual man! Now maybe people understand better why I've been keeping up on the draft! And especially the 2nd round cheaper options. Not that I'm psychic or anything.....lol But it's just not that hard to predict how this movie plays out after 40+ yrs of the same typical bowel-wrenching outcome. One thing you can always count on as a suns fan is for our franchise to set new and embarrassing records in creative ways to choke or come up short of expectations.

[bwgood77]

I haven't looked at these guys much, and it looks like few PGs are projected in the 2nd round, but..

This C, Zach Edey from Purdue is projected to go in the 40s, but is 7'4, 290 lbs, averaged 22.3ppg, 12.9 rpg, and 2.1 bpg.

Would maybe need to trade up for him (not sure what we could trade other than a future 2nd.

https://tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

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Also, another C we could go for this guy from Kentucky. He's not tall, but he did avg 13.7 rpg in college.

https://tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe

This wing from Creighton is another solid rebounder (over 8 a game) and a pretty good passer (3.3 apg).

https://tankathon.com/players/baylor-scheierman

[BobbieL]

who is the next Goran, Jokic or Dray?

thats the guy to draft

[kennydorglas]

I haven't looked at these guys much, and it looks like few PGs are projected in the 2nd round, but..

This C, Zach Edey from Purdue is projected to go in the 40s, but is 7'4, 290 lbs, averaged 22.3ppg, 12.9 rpg, and 2.1 bpg.

Would maybe need to trade up for him (not sure what we could trade other than a future 2nd.

https://tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

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Also, another C we could go for this guy from Kentucky. He's not tall, but he did avg 13.7 rpg in college.

https://tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe

This wing from Creighton is another solid rebounder (over 8 a game) and a pretty good passer (3.3 apg).

https://tankathon.com/players/baylor-scheierman

Edey put up an abysmal PER of 40.3 against top competition in college.
Im kinda interested in seeing his agility test at the combine.

[sunskerr]

Crazy how much potential there is deep in drafts now...of course they are all nice prospects but only a few will be NBA players. I'm wary of 2nd round prospects billed as "scorers" or "shot creators". A couple of simple reasons 1) to be a worthwhile shot creator/scorer in the NBA you have to be absolutely elite 2) being average at shot creation in the NBA is dime-a-dozen 3) if you are average at creating you need to be very good defensively

Watched some of the videos and read GoKs blurbs here...On this last page for 2nd round prospects (not including Bilal from France since his stock seems to be rising) Jake Stephens impresses me the most. He looks like he can get you some minutes off the bench with upside in the future. Nice skills base and good size/height but not too tall i.e. 7'2"+.

Hauser would be a nice get if he's like his brother. Brothers seem to be somewhat safe picks nowadays and I like Sam on the Celtics. Nice player for them and we need that type of skill set badly.

But I know nothing about draft prospects in general so I am prepared for every name I mentioned here to ride the pine for a year or two and be playing in Europe in a few years.

[bwgood77]

I haven't looked at these guys much, and it looks like few PGs are projected in the 2nd round, but..

This C, Zach Edey from Purdue is projected to go in the 40s, but is 7'4, 290 lbs, averaged 22.3ppg, 12.9 rpg, and 2.1 bpg.

Would maybe need to trade up for him (not sure what we could trade other than a future 2nd.

https://tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

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Also, another C we could go for this guy from Kentucky. He's not tall, but he did avg 13.7 rpg in college.

https://tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe

This wing from Creighton is another solid rebounder (over 8 a game) and a pretty good passer (3.3 apg).

https://tankathon.com/players/baylor-scheierman

Edey put up an abysmal PER of 40.3 against top competition in college.
Im kinda interested in seeing his agility test at the combine.

There is a good chance he's too slow to play in the NBA. I've seen mentions of a better Boban. But I've also seen a couple of other mentions, like a bigger Zubac with a bit of Boban and Yao Ming.

He may not be great, but it is the 52nd pick. I just don't see any PGs in that range..or many Cs, so it leaves wings. That wing I mentioned may be good though.

[Ghost of Kleine]

I haven't looked at these guys much, and it looks like few PGs are projected in the 2nd round, but..

This C, Zach Edey from Purdue is projected to go in the 40s, but is 7'4, 290 lbs, averaged 22.3ppg, 12.9 rpg, and 2.1 bpg.

Would maybe need to trade up for him (not sure what we could trade other than a future 2nd.

https://tankathon.com/players/zach-edey

Watch on YouTube

Also, another C we could go for this guy from Kentucky. He's not tall, but he did avg 13.7 rpg in college.

https://tankathon.com/players/oscar-tshiebwe

This wing from Creighton is another solid rebounder (over 8 a game) and a pretty good passer (3.3 apg).

https://tankathon.com/players/baylor-scheierman

Edey put up an abysmal PER of 40.3 against top competition in college.
Im kinda interested in seeing his agility test at the combine.

There is a good chance he's too slow to play in the NBA. I've seen mentions of a better Boban. But I've also seen a couple of other mentions, like a bigger Zubac with a bit of Boban and Yao Ming.

He may not be great, but it is the 52nd pick. I just don't see any PGs in that range..or many Cs, so it leaves wings. That wing I mentioned may be good though.

He'd be a defensive sieve with his lateral mobility issues. But his guaranteed production and size is Gary intriguing. Just the same though, if your willing to take a slower or less athletic center in the 2nd round in our range (which he likely won't last till anyways), then why not just look at the much more polished, more skilled Jake Stephens (Chattanooga) archetype that's ironically very similar to Jokic in skillset/ versatility. He's putting up 22/ 10 with near 45% from three and advanced passing too.

Just look.above for my posted info on him. They also have in or after our range: A much quicker wing skillset version of Porzingis in Zonimir Ivisic! Or you could go with pure size in the Gobert mold ( but much bigger and more fluid) at 7'5 with a near 8+ foot wingspan in Jamarion Sharpe ( Weatern Kentucky). He's enormous and super long. Basically Gobert with the speed/ lateral recovery of a wing. And if course also in the undrafted range, you have other young Ayton archetypes in Nfaly Dante (Oregon) or Omar Ballo ( Arizona) if the idea is more or less an Ayton reset project?

[bwgood77]

Edey put up an abysmal PER of 40.3 against top competition in college.
Im kinda interested in seeing his agility test at the combine.

There is a good chance he's too slow to play in the NBA. I've seen mentions of a better Boban. But I've also seen a couple of other mentions, like a bigger Zubac with a bit of Boban and Yao Ming.

He may not be great, but it is the 52nd pick. I just don't see any PGs in that range..or many Cs, so it leaves wings. That wing I mentioned may be good though.

He'd be a defensive sieve with his lateral mobility issues. But his guaranteed production and size is Gary intriguing. Just the same though, if your willing to take a slower or less athletic center in the 2nd round in our range (which he likely won't last till anyways), then why not just look at the much more polished, more skilled Jake Stephens ( Chattanooga) archetype that's ironically very similar to Jokic in skillset/ versatility. He's putting up 22/ 10 with near 45% from three and advanced passing too.

Just look.above for my posted info on him. They also have in or after our range: A much quicker wing skillset version of Porzingis in Zonimir Ivisic! Or you could go with pure size in the Gobert mold ( but much bigger and more fluid) at 7'5 with a near 8+ foot wingspan in Jamarion Sharpe ( Weatern Kentucky). He's enormous and super long. Basically Gobert with the speed/ lateral recovery of a wing. And if course also in the undrafted range, you have other young Ayton archetypes in Nfaly Dante (Oregon) or Omar Ballo ( Arizona) if the idea is more or less an Ayton reset project?

I probably would, but I haven't looked at everyone closely enough.

Ultimately I probably wouldn't take a C. They always take a while to get going. Ayton, actually, was one of the few who actually did pretty well offensively and rebounding for a first year guy at 16 and 10 and then 18 and 11.5 in his second year (though as a rookie he was awful defensively). Even Jokic was 10 and 7 as a rookie but he was a good passer and in his second year was at 17/10/5. AD was 13 and 8 as a rookie, though Towns was 18 and 10.

At that point in the draft, given our team especially, I probably take a 3 or 4 year guy who is a wing who can handle. I might think of PG but it doesn't appear there are any there.

I just hope we have a good scouting team now that our picks are scarce.

[Ghost of Kleine]

There is a good chance he's too slow to play in the NBA. I've seen mentions of a better Boban. But I've also seen a couple of other mentions, like a bigger Zubac with a bit of Boban and Yao Ming.

He may not be great, but it is the 52nd pick. I just don't see any PGs in that range..or many Cs, so it leaves wings. That wing I mentioned may be good though.

He'd be a defensive sieve with his lateral mobility issues. But his guaranteed production and size is Gary intriguing. Just the same though, if your willing to take a slower or less athletic center in the 2nd round in our range (which he likely won't last till anyways), then why not just look at the much more polished, more skilled Jake Stephens ( Chattanooga) archetype that's ironically very similar to Jokic in skillset/ versatility. He's putting up 22/ 10 with near 45% from three and advanced passing too.

Just look.above for my posted info on him. They also have in or after our range: A much quicker wing skillset version of Porzingis in Zonimir Ivisic! Or you could go with pure size in the Gobert mold ( but much bigger and more fluid) at 7'5 with a near 8+ foot wingspan in Jamarion Sharpe ( Weatern Kentucky). He's enormous and super long. Basically Gobert with the speed/ lateral recovery of a wing. And if course also in the undrafted range, you have other young Ayton archetypes in Nfaly Dante (Oregon) or Omar Ballo ( Arizona) if the idea is more or less an Ayton reset project?

I probably would, but I haven't looked at everyone closely enough.

Ultimately I probably wouldn't take a C. They always take a while to get going. Ayton, actually, was one of the few who actually did pretty well offensively and rebounding for a first year guy at 16 and 10 and then 18 and 11.5 in his second year (though as a rookie he was awful defensively). Even Jokic was 10 and 7 as a rookie but he was a good passer and in his second year was at 17/10/5. AD was 13 and 8 as a rookie, though Towns was 18 and 10.

At that point in the draft, given our team especially, I probably take a 3 or 4 year guy who is a wing who can handle. I might think of PG but it doesn't appear there are any there.

I just hope we have a good scouting team now that our picks are scarce.

Likely not much is known about 2nd round guard options in our range specifically. But a couple of really solid underrated names you might look into could still be: Reece Beekman, Jalen Pickett, Jamal Shead ( similar to Beverly in defensive motor but with a higher IQ, stronger, faster, and a much better playmaker/ high character floor general), Juan Nunez (similar to young Rubio), Ryan Nembhard (similar to Tyus Jones), Tyler Kolek (a slightly bigger version of TJ McConnell), Mike Miles (Kinda Jalen Brunson), Yuri Collins?
** Could Marquis Nowell or Tyger Cambell be an undrafted project version of Jose Alvarado for us? I think having 3 two-way slots available to us will be very advantageous. What are you looking for in the way of wing options? offense? defense? high upside talent swing?

[kennydorglas]

Finally ran some numbers with all combine participants.

Three Level Scorers (high volume/high unassisted baskets/all over the court)
Isaiah Wong - Miami (FL) - 22yo
Kobe Bufkin - Michigan - 19yo
Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara - 19yo
Brice Sensabaugh - Ohio St. - 19yo
Brandon Miller - Alabama - 20yo
Terrence Shannon Jr - Illinois - 22yo
Arthur Kaluma - Creighton - 20yo
Jalen Wilson - Kansas - 22yo
Jalen Slawson - Furman - 23yo

Rim Runners (reb+def)
Derek Lively - Duke - 18yo
Oscar Tshiebwe - Kentucky - 23yo
Trayce Jackson-Davis - Indiana - 22yo

3&D
Gradey Dick - Kansas - 19yo
Terquavion Smith - NC St. - 20yo
Marcus Sasser - Houston - 22yo
Taylor Hendricks - UCF - 19yo
Kris Murray - Iowa - 22yo
Jalen Pickett - Penn St. - 23yo

Playmakers with good defense
Reece Beekman - Virginia - 21yo
Andre Jackson Jr - Connecticut - 21yo
Cason Wallace - Kentucky - 19yo
Anthony Black - Arkansas - 20yo
Colby Jones - Xavier - 20yo
Adam Flagler - Baylor - 23yo
Coleman Hawkins - Illinois - 21yo
Jaime Jaquez Jr - UCLA - 21yo

[Ghost of Kleine]

Finally ran some numbers with all combine participants.

Three Level Scorers (high volume/high unassisted baskets/all over the court)
Isaiah Wong - Miami (FL) - 22yo
Kobe Bufkin - Michigan - 19yo
Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara - 19yo
Brice Sensabaugh - Ohio St. - 19yo
Brandon Miller - Alabama - 20yo
Terrence Shannon Jr - Illinois - 22yo
Arthur Kaluma - Creighton - 20yo
Jalen Wilson - Kansas - 22yo
Jalen Slawson - Furman - 23yo

Rim Runners (reb+def)
Derek Lively - Duke - 18yo
Oscar Tshiebwe - Kentucky - 23yo
Trayce Jackson-Davis - Indiana - 22yo

3&D
Gradey Dick - Kansas - 19yo
Terquavion Smith - NC St. - 20yo
Marcus Sasser - Houston - 22yo
Taylor Hendricks - UCF - 19yo
Kris Murray - Iowa - 22yo
Jalen Pickett - Penn St. - 23yo

Playmakers with good defense
Reece Beekman - Virginia - 21yo
Andre Jackson Jr - Connecticut - 21yo
Cason Wallace - Kentucky - 19yo
Anthony Black - Arkansas - 20yo
Colby Jones - Xavier - 20yo
Adam Flagler - Baylor - 23yo
Coleman Hawkins - Illinois - 21yo
Jaime Jaquez Jr - UCLA - 21yo

This is awesome! Great work man!

[kennydorglas]

Finally ran some numbers with all combine participants.

Three Level Scorers (high volume/high unassisted baskets/all over the court)
Isaiah Wong - Miami (FL) - 22yo
Kobe Bufkin - Michigan - 19yo
Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara - 19yo
Brice Sensabaugh - Ohio St. - 19yo
Brandon Miller - Alabama - 20yo
Terrence Shannon Jr - Illinois - 22yo
Arthur Kaluma - Creighton - 20yo
Jalen Wilson - Kansas - 22yo
Jalen Slawson - Furman - 23yo

Rim Runners (reb+def)
Derek Lively - Duke - 18yo
Oscar Tshiebwe - Kentucky - 23yo
Trayce Jackson-Davis - Indiana - 22yo

3&D
Gradey Dick - Kansas - 19yo
Terquavion Smith - NC St. - 20yo
Marcus Sasser - Houston - 22yo
Taylor Hendricks - UCF - 19yo
Kris Murray - Iowa - 22yo
Jalen Pickett - Penn St. - 23yo

Playmakers with good defense
Reece Beekman - Virginia - 21yo
Andre Jackson Jr - Connecticut - 21yo
Cason Wallace - Kentucky - 19yo
Anthony Black - Arkansas - 20yo
Colby Jones - Xavier - 20yo
Adam Flagler - Baylor - 23yo
Coleman Hawkins - Illinois - 21yo
Jaime Jaquez Jr - UCLA - 21yo

This is awesome! Great work man!

haha thanks bro.
any clue about why Kris Murray is considered a late 1st round prospect?

[Ghost of Kleine]

Finally ran some numbers with all combine participants.

Three Level Scorers (high volume/high unassisted baskets/all over the court)
Isaiah Wong - Miami (FL) - 22yo
Kobe Bufkin - Michigan - 19yo
Brandin Podziemski - Santa Clara - 19yo
Brice Sensabaugh - Ohio St. - 19yo
Brandon Miller - Alabama - 20yo
Terrence Shannon Jr - Illinois - 22yo
Arthur Kaluma - Creighton - 20yo
Jalen Wilson - Kansas - 22yo
Jalen Slawson - Furman - 23yo

Rim Runners (reb+def)
Derek Lively - Duke - 18yo
Oscar Tshiebwe - Kentucky - 23yo
Trayce Jackson-Davis - Indiana - 22yo

3&D
Gradey Dick - Kansas - 19yo
Terquavion Smith - NC St. - 20yo
Marcus Sasser - Houston - 22yo
Taylor Hendricks - UCF - 19yo
Kris Murray - Iowa - 22yo
Jalen Pickett - Penn St. - 23yo

Playmakers with good defense
Reece Beekman - Virginia - 21yo
Andre Jackson Jr - Connecticut - 21yo
Cason Wallace - Kentucky - 19yo
Anthony Black - Arkansas - 20yo
Colby Jones - Xavier - 20yo
Adam Flagler - Baylor - 23yo
Coleman Hawkins - Illinois - 21yo
Jaime Jaquez Jr - UCLA - 21yo

This is awesome! Great work man!

haha thanks bro.
any clue about why Kris Murray is considered a late 1st round prospect?

What the scouts are saying is basically that even though he's an incredibly versatile high floor player, he's more or less a Jack of all trades master of none. Solid and reliable player But with no elite traits and he's been a relatively streaky shooter since February and a few games before that too. Also his age at 23 yrs old gives the perception of a capped ceiling. Still he's a super solid forward that can do a lot of things to help a team win. A great intangibles type glue guy.

Kind of a Marcus Morris ( with streaky shooting)/ late stage without the athleticism) Grant Hill type player.