marson wrote:3ammy3uck3ts wrote:Lennyzinho wrote:The bam hate and lack of appreciation in here is borderline insanity. I know we all want him to turn into a healthy smaller version of AD or be prime KG, but those dudes are HOF. Everyone whines about bam not being lebron or KD or AD or KG lmao. I mean. Jeez. Bam is young, does it all for us on both ends. He's making just over 30M. Tobias Harris is making 38M. And you guys are here whining about Bam. Knicks fans are erupting over Julius Randle and his awful play in playoffs over the years.
Playoff bball is hard. Game slows down. Buckets harder to come by. Pretty sure the Knicks made Mobley look pretty bad. V bad. OMG GET RID OF HIM! Said no cavs fan I'm sure... there's so many good or great players having rough games. Sabonis was awful for the kings. Awful. He was a ghost of his regular season form. Looney sucked his soul out. Already touched on randle. Jarrett allen was a joke. Please tell me or identify a young blue chip player available for trade that has been playing great in the playoffs this year or that has a good playoff track record. It's all whine whine whine and no solution or appreciation.
Do I wish he finished better? Yes. Do I wish he was more consistent? Yes. More aggressive? Yes. Finally showed some of that. It's ok to talk about his shortcomings as long as you appreciate the good and look around the nba at all the other players and be objective. Ignoring how bam single handedly won us a game vs Boston in ecf last year and how vital he was when we didn't have him in bubble vs lakers is just silly to me. Bammybuckets is a Homer but yall some serious underappreciating haters with a complete lack of knowledge of the nba landscape.
Just asking for some balance.
And last of all, bam is an amazing third banana. Like draymond. They have stpeh and klay. We need a klay. Don't think herro is that guy. I would say blame Riley and the heat for not building s better roster around Jimmy and him but they keep winning... so I'm gonna keep my mouth shut for now and hope for the best.
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Preach, all the ones that ridicule him are quiet as church mice when he’s playing good or completely dominating to end a series like we saw in game 5.
I may be a homer but I’m a Heat fan over everything and you better believe I’m going to defend our young franchise cornerstone when people non stop spam ignorant ****.
Damn Bammy didn't know you have a burner account lol
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Lennyzinho wrote:The bam hate and lack of appreciation in here is borderline insanity. I know we all want him to turn into a healthy smaller version of AD or be prime KG, but those dudes are HOF. Everyone whines about bam not being lebron or KD or AD or KG lmao. I mean. Jeez. Bam is young, does it all for us on both ends. He's making just over 30M. Tobias Harris is making 38M. And you guys are here whining about Bam. Knicks fans are erupting over Julius Randle and his awful play in playoffs over the years.
Playoff bball is hard. Game slows down. Buckets harder to come by. Pretty sure the Knicks made Mobley look pretty bad. V bad. OMG GET RID OF HIM! Said no cavs fan I'm sure... there's so many good or great players having rough games. Sabonis was awful for the kings. Awful. He was a ghost of his regular season form. Looney sucked his soul out. Already touched on randle. Jarrett allen was a joke. Please tell me or identify a young blue chip player available for trade that has been playing great in the playoffs this year or that has a good playoff track record. It's all whine whine whine and no solution or appreciation.
Do I wish he finished better? Yes. Do I wish he was more consistent? Yes. More aggressive? Yes. Finally showed some of that. It's ok to talk about his shortcomings as long as you appreciate the good and look around the nba at all the other players and be objective. Ignoring how bam single handedly won us a game vs Boston in ecf last year and how vital he was when we didn't have him in bubble vs lakers is just silly to me. Bammybuckets is a Homer but yall some serious underappreciating haters with a complete lack of knowledge of the nba landscape.
Just asking for some balance.
And last of all, bam is an amazing third banana. Like draymond. They have stpeh and klay. We need a klay. Don't think herro is that guy. I would say blame Riley and the heat for not building s better roster around Jimmy and him but they keep winning... so I'm gonna keep my mouth shut for now and hope for the best.
Xoxo
Again, the Bam hate is overstated. There’s very valid criticism - which you outlined in one of these paragraphs. There is also broad appreciation on the board. Its not a numbers thing, most people just want to see consistency in the mentality and the approach. Lets keep the same objectivity about everyone on the team and not make a mountain out of a molehill.
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AirP. wrote:So Miami is 2 wins out of the next 5 games of making the ECF 3 of the last 4 seasons. Whatever happens these playoffs, GO ALL IN THIS SUMMER!!!
Spo and front office on the same page
Lets goooooooo
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ShulaDon92 wrote:We're up 2-1. Two games from the eastern conference finals again.
The whiners still whining at obscene levels but what can you do.
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heatlejuice wrote:ShulaDon92 wrote:We're up 2-1. Two games from the eastern conference finals again.
The whiners still whining at obscene levels but what can you do.
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I'm sure all those tankers feel like the losers they are now lol
Choose loser, be a loser, losers. Hahaha
Just kidding.
Tanking seemed sound.
Honestly, the game is unpredictable so the more u talk the dumber u sound every time lol
I gave up trying to shot call
Gimme the metrics
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3ballbomber wrote:AirP. wrote:3ballbomber wrote:Fortunate to have a defensive minded coach & an oragnisation run by Riles who understands the importance of defense & focusing on acquiring & developing players defensively.
Isn't it odd then that they handed out large contracts in back to back off seasons to bad defensive players?
I can understand why they did, i won't justify it as many get paid too much too early in todays league. But that's 2 out of how many defensive players we've acquired & developed. Herro is young & can still be developed - he's in the right organization to do so & we've seen that he's defense has already improved. Hell we acquired Love, we're all well aware of his defense but currently has been sound defensively holding Randle 1 for 3, Barrett 2 for 6 & Brunson 0 for 1 - combined 3 for 10.
I was talking Robinson and Herro and something that's not talked about, what do the other players that aren't highly paid think when they're preached about effort and defense yet see the last 2 big contracts going out to non-defenders. I get why Gabe is overshooting, taking some really questionable shots, defense doesn't pay, offense pays.
Robinson's resigning was way worse than Herro's when talking bad defenders on a defensive team just for the simple fact that there was a replacement on the roster already in Strus under contract. I still don't understand Robinson's contract when it sounded like Miami was only competing with themselves for Robinson's services that summer. This organization has been handing out bad contracts for nearly a decade now. Love the no tanking and keep fighting attitude, don't like the overpaying your own players. Vincent is basically Nunn 2.0 and Nunn was allowed to sign elsewhere for 5 mil a year, I expect a crazy contract to be given to Gabe.
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I would like to think the way people view Duncan and Herros contracts compared to Caleb’s is very telling to the type of deals our FO needs to be focusing on for Gabe and Strus (Yurt can walk, him being here is meaningless) but I guess only time will tell.
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3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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Reposting my Herro thoughts in the correct thread :
Herro was a very good pick for where he was selected, but sadly IMO he's not good enough for what this current team needs.
His production is very limiyed by 2 big factors :
1) Low FT rate - the kid never gets to the line, partly due to his physicals limitations. This prevents him from becoming an efficient high volume scorer. All the best scorers get to the line alot more.
2) his Defense. - Sadly his improvement there isn't significant enough - he's still hurts you badly on the defensive end. Which means he HAS TO be elite on offense every time he's on the floor. And he ain't on that level offensively. I hoped he can be become an average defender by now, but I'd still say Strus (an average at best defender) is conisbrbly better then him on defense.
Because of how this currnent team is built - we really need a legit 1A/B on offebse, someone that can be a first or second option next to jimmy (bam is a third option). Herro sadly cant' be that because of the reasons mentioned before. We also can't have multipule aweful defenders out there with a defensevly minded team.
To sum it up - I think we need to send Herro + sweetners out and get Jimmy a legit running mate to help him carry the offense without being a defensive hole.
I'm not sure Bradly Beal is that guy - but he's a more likely solution then Herro.
Jalyen brown would be pefect but he's not avaiable.
Not a lot of options out there that we could get with our assets.
Herro was a very good pick for where he was selected, but sadly IMO he's not good enough for what this current team needs.
His production is very limiyed by 2 big factors :
1) Low FT rate - the kid never gets to the line, partly due to his physicals limitations. This prevents him from becoming an efficient high volume scorer. All the best scorers get to the line alot more.
2) his Defense. - Sadly his improvement there isn't significant enough - he's still hurts you badly on the defensive end. Which means he HAS TO be elite on offense every time he's on the floor. And he ain't on that level offensively. I hoped he can be become an average defender by now, but I'd still say Strus (an average at best defender) is conisbrbly better then him on defense.
Because of how this currnent team is built - we really need a legit 1A/B on offebse, someone that can be a first or second option next to jimmy (bam is a third option). Herro sadly cant' be that because of the reasons mentioned before. We also can't have multipule aweful defenders out there with a defensevly minded team.
To sum it up - I think we need to send Herro + sweetners out and get Jimmy a legit running mate to help him carry the offense without being a defensive hole.
I'm not sure Bradly Beal is that guy - but he's a more likely solution then Herro.
Jalyen brown would be pefect but he's not avaiable.
Not a lot of options out there that we could get with our assets.
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iamoti wrote:3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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Thing is - we can't replace them if they walk. We won't have cap space.
If we were unwilling to extend them, we should've traded them at the deadline.
At this point, you almost HAVE TO retain them. Just pray it's on a small team friendly deal like the one C.Martin got.
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iamoti wrote:3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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My philosophy with shooters historically is similar to running backs in the NFL, you dont give these guys second deals just go out and find someone else that can do the job for cheaper. It gets tricky with Strus because he has some gamer in him, doesn't shy away from big moments as we've seen in these playoffs with the team needing someone to pick up the slack in scoring to help Jimmy he has stepped up. That is a quality that cant necessarily be found in shooters off the trash heap.
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Kobewade11 wrote:iamoti wrote:3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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My philosophy with shooters historically is similar to running backs in the NFL, you dont give these guys second deals just go out and find someone else that can do the job for cheaper. It gets tricky with Strus because he has some gamer in him, doesn't shy away from big moments as we've seen in these playoffs with the team needing someone to pick up the slack in scoring to help Jimmy he has stepped up. That is a quality that cant necessarily be found in shooters off the trash heap.
Same seems to apply to Vincent.
Wish so badly that we could just give them Duncan's remaining salary to split lol
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greg4012 wrote:Kobewade11 wrote:iamoti wrote:3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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My philosophy with shooters historically is similar to running backs in the NFL, you dont give these guys second deals just go out and find someone else that can do the job for cheaper. It gets tricky with Strus because he has some gamer in him, doesn't shy away from big moments as we've seen in these playoffs with the team needing someone to pick up the slack in scoring to help Jimmy he has stepped up. That is a quality that cant necessarily be found in shooters off the trash heap.
Same seems to apply to Vincent.
Wish so badly that we could just give them Duncan's remaining salary to split lol
Wish we could divide Robinson's contract in 3 parts and a give each piece of nugget to Max Struss and Gabe Vincent.
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greg4012 wrote:Kobewade11 wrote:iamoti wrote:3/36 is max i would go for either Strus or Gabe. If i had to choose i would pick Strus
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My philosophy with shooters historically is similar to running backs in the NFL, you dont give these guys second deals just go out and find someone else that can do the job for cheaper. It gets tricky with Strus because he has some gamer in him, doesn't shy away from big moments as we've seen in these playoffs with the team needing someone to pick up the slack in scoring to help Jimmy he has stepped up. That is a quality that cant necessarily be found in shooters off the trash heap.
Same seems to apply to Vincent.
Wish so badly that we could just give them Duncan's remaining salary to split lol
Not quite, players like Vincent are easier to replace than Strus who plays 2-4 for Miami. Just look back in the last 7 years for Miami, you've added cheap players like Waiters and Nunn and I know in my old Chicago fan days they rotated smaller scorers on minimu deals over and over (some players Miami fans may remember), Nate Robinson, DJ Augustine (cut by the Bobcats and Raptors the year he stuck with Chicago), John Lucas III, C.Duhon and A.Brooks, hell, Chicago even cut Dinwiddie in spring training while he looked good. There's always guys you can find who can score (they just might not be good at much else)... how about just giving Bouyea a small 2-3 year contract at the minimum?
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AirP. wrote:greg4012 wrote:Kobewade11 wrote: My philosophy with shooters historically is similar to running backs in the NFL, you dont give these guys second deals just go out and find someone else that can do the job for cheaper. It gets tricky with Strus because he has some gamer in him, doesn't shy away from big moments as we've seen in these playoffs with the team needing someone to pick up the slack in scoring to help Jimmy he has stepped up. That is a quality that cant necessarily be found in shooters off the trash heap.
Same seems to apply to Vincent.
Wish so badly that we could just give them Duncan's remaining salary to split lol
Not quite, players like Vincent are easier to replace than Strus who plays 2-4 for Miami. Just look back in the last 7 years for Miami, you've added cheap players like Waiters and Nunn and I know in my old Chicago fan days they rotated smaller scorers on minimu deals over and over (some players Miami fans may remember), Nate Robinson, DJ Augustine (cut by the Bobcats and Raptors the year he stuck with Chicago), John Lucas III, C.Duhon and A.Brooks, hell, Chicago even cut Dinwiddie in spring training while he looked good. There's always guys you can find who can score (they just might not be good at much else)... how about just giving Bouyea a small 2-3 year contract at the minimum?
But Vincent's POA defense is valuable and one thing that Nunn sucked at. Pair that with shooting (hopefully) and secondary scoring and it becomes a little more viable than replacement level.
I just want Miami to retain some defensive guard help that can be a complementary 2-way player. I don't want the burden of defending the fast perimeter scorers to default to Jimmy.
If we can replace Vincent for cheap with someone who checks those boxes, I'm all for it.
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Why is everyone talking about off season moves when we're in the middle of an awesome playoff run? lol Enjoy this guys. Plenty of time for trade talks in the summer
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Let's say hypothetically the Heat and Warriors make the finals. Who gets home court advantage? The RS records were tied.
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goodboys lats wrote:Let's say hypothetically the Heat and Warriors make the finals. Who gets home court advantage? The RS records were tied.
Pretty sure I read that we do for winning our division.
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