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PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023

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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1341 » by ajones9219 » Sun May 7, 2023 10:47 pm

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jonige94 wrote:Most unclutch team in the league and that starts with the supposed two 'stars' we have.

They shrink


Yeah because Tatum wasn't unbelievably clutch at the end /s

Sure was, kicking the ball both times instead of actually scoring like a true star would do.


May have missed the step back 3 the previous trip down to get us ahead and in control.
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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1342 » by jonige94 » Sun May 7, 2023 10:55 pm

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Yeah because Tatum wasn't unbelievably clutch at the end /s

Sure was, kicking the ball both times instead of actually scoring like a true star would do.


May have missed the step back 3 the previous trip down to get us ahead and in control.

With a blatant pushoff lmao, because he couldnt get by a smaller and a terrible defender as Maxey is.
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Post#1343 » by Bleedsgreen » Sun May 7, 2023 10:56 pm

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jonige94 wrote:Most unclutch team in the league and that starts with the supposed two 'stars' we have.

They shrink


Yeah because Tatum wasn't unbelievably clutch at the end /s


He no Paul Peirce, not admittingly. Some of those were UGLY CLEAR out ISO clog toilet offense and Let Peirce work. But at the end of the game you really can't be running your regular offense. Defense is too ratched up and too much nerves. I seem to recall early in Peirce career they would force feed him to build him up.
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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1344 » by ajones9219 » Sun May 7, 2023 11:07 pm

jonige94 wrote:
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jonige94 wrote:Sure was, kicking the ball both times instead of actually scoring like a true star would do.


May have missed the step back 3 the previous trip down to get us ahead and in control.

With a blatant pushoff lmao, because he couldnt get by a smaller and a terrible defender as Maxey is.


And? He hit the tough shot.
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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1345 » by Magicman125 » Sun May 7, 2023 11:19 pm

Topbins wrote:76ers in 6 now. Pathetic execution.


Harden looked great tonight, but never know when Jim is gonna rear his head again. Also, never trust a Doc-coached team to win a playoff series.
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Post#1346 » by Magicman125 » Sun May 7, 2023 11:26 pm

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Jerboski wrote:We have got to make an adjustment on harden

Brown ain’t it, he can’t guard him… got his ass cooked again, I would let Tatum try

Tatum is a much better defender and brown just seems obvious


Brown clamped Harden in games 2 and 3. I don't think you take Jaylen off him.


Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.
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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1347 » by ThePigeon » Mon May 8, 2023 5:39 am

Magicman125 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Jerboski wrote:We have got to make an adjustment on harden

Brown ain’t it, he can’t guard him… got his ass cooked again, I would let Tatum try

Tatum is a much better defender and brown just seems obvious


Brown clamped Harden in games 2 and 3. I don't think you take Jaylen off him.


Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.


Brown is the only one Harden missed on
When he sees Al, it is like he sees a bum in Las Vegas - party!
Brown shouldn't have helped Al in the last play. He should have known better.
Al got Embiid's number in the 4th and OT playing 1 on 1. And even if he scored we get to a second OT

I don't blame Brown for this loss, but rather team effort on the boards. PJ was like prime time Hakeem getting second and third time possessions.

Team played hard, shots didn't fall, put in a great defensive effort to come back but were short
As Joe says - it is the little things, the margins, and we missed them in this game
Joe could have called a timeout to explain to Brown he doesn't leave Harden, on the last play, JT could have dribbled a little less and be aware of the clock etc.
It is not the last play where we lost
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Re: PLAYOFFS: Rnd 2, Gm 4 – Celtics (2) @ Sixers (1) – 3:30PM, Sun, May 7, 2023 

Post#1348 » by Green89 » Mon May 8, 2023 7:19 am

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Mazzula cleaned up our T/Os this year which was our biggest weakness and is leading a far better offense than Ime could. Yes he is learning some execution on the fly but he wasn't expecting to be the coach until like a week before pre-season. It happens. Having said that.

Mazzula didn't fail to secure a rebound TWICE up 3. Mazzula didn't help off a 5-8 three point shooter down 2. This was on the team. Joe should have called the timeout late but this L goes to the whole team.


He doesn't call timeouts....ever. How the hell don't you call a timeout in that final possession


lol Ime did this all last year and because we hit a few shots to win games he looks great, but Joe gets cooked. Imagine game 1 vs the Nets if Tatum didn't hit that spinning layup. Ime would have gotten cooked for not taking a time out.

This has been the game plan for years. They let the team run the offense at the end.


It's been the plan for years because we never had as deep a team we have now. There was no reason to call time and get better scorers on the floor, as we didn't have any. White and Brogdon are both better offensive players than Smart. We didn't have that luxury previously, but Joe chooses not to take advantage of it now.
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Post#1349 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 8, 2023 10:26 am

Magicman125 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Jerboski wrote:We have got to make an adjustment on harden

Brown ain’t it, he can’t guard him… got his ass cooked again, I would let Tatum try

Tatum is a much better defender and brown just seems obvious


Brown clamped Harden in games 2 and 3. I don't think you take Jaylen off him.


Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.

Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.
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Post#1350 » by tfribs45 » Mon May 8, 2023 12:23 pm

end of the game, JT has to go to the rack and attack. He was already their. no need to kick that out! Blame anyone you want, but at the end of the day this team needs that killa instinct!
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Post#1351 » by Magicman125 » Mon May 8, 2023 1:43 pm

tfribs45 wrote:end of the game, JT has to go to the rack and attack. He was already their. no need to kick that out! Blame anyone you want, but at the end of the day this team needs that killa instinct!


Agreed, he had Maxey beat and looked like he could get a shot off the glass using his left without any help D being able to reach him for the contest. Thought he was gonna lay it up and win it for Boston, but then passed to a 32% 3pt shooter with 1 second left to go I was very surprised.
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Post#1352 » by Celticfan_N_FL » Mon May 8, 2023 1:52 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Magicman125 wrote:
ajones9219 wrote:
Brown clamped Harden in games 2 and 3. I don't think you take Jaylen off him.


Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.

Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.
Not really accurate. Brown started on Harden and the C's went back to switching late in the 4th and OT.
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Post#1353 » by Green89 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:10 pm

Celticfan_N_FL wrote:
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Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.

Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.
Not really accurate. Brown started on Harden and the C's went back to switching late in the 4th and OT.


Harden and the Sixers kept playing for the switch, to get Brown off Harden.
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Post#1354 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:30 pm

Green89 wrote:
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BK_2020 wrote:Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.
Not really accurate. Brown started on Harden and the C's went back to switching late in the 4th and OT.


Harden and the Sixers kept playing for the switch, to get Brown off Harden.

The point was to get Harden on a big, not to get Brown off Harden. Even when other guards were switched on Harden, they kept hunting for a big.
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Post#1355 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:31 pm

Magicman125 wrote:
tfribs45 wrote:end of the game, JT has to go to the rack and attack. He was already their. no need to kick that out! Blame anyone you want, but at the end of the day this team needs that killa instinct!


Agreed, he had Maxey beat and looked like he could get a shot off the glass using his left without any help D being able to reach him for the contest. Thought he was gonna lay it up and win it for Boston, but then passed to a 32% 3pt shooter with 1 second left to go I was very surprised.

Embiid was waiting for him, though. I think Tatum made the right decision there.
The final play in OT was defensible but a worse decision.
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Post#1356 » by Green89 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:32 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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Celticfan_N_FL wrote:Not really accurate. Brown started on Harden and the C's went back to switching late in the 4th and OT.


Harden and the Sixers kept playing for the switch, to get Brown off Harden.

The point was to get Harden on a big, not to get Brown off Harden. Even when other guards were switched on Harden, they kept hunting for a big.



No, one of the post game writeups or interview I saw specifically said Harden was just looking to shake Brown. It didn't matter if the switch got him Al or Brogdon.
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Post#1357 » by Magicman125 » Mon May 8, 2023 2:35 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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tfribs45 wrote:end of the game, JT has to go to the rack and attack. He was already their. no need to kick that out! Blame anyone you want, but at the end of the day this team needs that killa instinct!


Agreed, he had Maxey beat and looked like he could get a shot off the glass using his left without any help D being able to reach him for the contest. Thought he was gonna lay it up and win it for Boston, but then passed to a 32% 3pt shooter with 1 second left to go I was very surprised.

Embiid was waiting for him, though. I think Tatum made the right decision there.
The final play in OT was defensible but a worse decision.


I just didn't think Embiid's position on the help D looked great, thought Tatum could've faded to the left and banked it. But maybe you're right that it was the right play to make, just slightly too late because of how long he waited to initiate the drive.

Edit: Also, to be clear I'm talking about the OT possession, not end of regulation.
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Post#1358 » by Celts17Pride » Mon May 8, 2023 3:51 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
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ajones9219 wrote:
Brown clamped Harden in games 2 and 3. I don't think you take Jaylen off him.


Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.

Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.

Your 100% wrong. Rewatch the game. Philly's whole game plan was to continually screen Brown and get him off Harden. Celtics need to adjust. Doc Rivers for all his abuse he gets was masterful at getting Brown off of Harden. Rewatch the game, Harden probably scored 7 of his 42 points with Brown covering him.
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Post#1359 » by Feed Your Head » Mon May 8, 2023 3:56 pm

Harden‘s points scored versus defender.

Al: 12 on 5-6 shooting.
Jaylen: 10 on 3-6 shooting.
Brogdon: 6 on 3-3 shooting.
Rob: 5 on 2-2 shooting.
Smart: 5 on 2-2 shooting.
Tatum: 4 on 1-3 shooting.
Grant: 2 on 1-1 shooting.

Harden cooked pretty much everyone, props to him.
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Post#1360 » by BK_2020 » Mon May 8, 2023 4:39 pm

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Magicman125 wrote:
Harden kept calling for screens to get Brown switched off of him, didn't take the ball up the court to avoid being hounded by Brown most of the second half. If Brown didn't switch off of Harden, he asked for a second screen. Clearly, Brown is one of Boston's best options to stop Harden based off of Harden's actions to avoid him alone.

Joe didn't think so and put Brown on Tucker towards the end of 4th and OT.

Your 100% wrong. Rewatch the game. Philly's whole game plan was to continually screen Brown and get him off Harden. Celtics need to adjust. Doc Rivers for all his abuse he gets was masterful at getting Brown off of Harden. Rewatch the game, Harden probably scored 7 of his 42 points with Brown covering him.

Am I really gonna have to bust out the webm's? Philly were switching to get Harden on a big and to get a small on Embiid. It wasn't to avoid Jaylen specifically. It was to create 2 mismatches.

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