2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

For all the anti tankers, Chicago had 11% chance to get #1 pick in NHL lottery and they got it tonight. But had to go for the play in . . .

We still have a 4.5% chance at getting a top 4 pick. It's something at least.

[DreamTeam09]

I feel the same way about Keyonte. To me Keyonte is a classic example of a productive college guard that can’t translate in the NBA. Inefficient shooter, not elite on defense, isn’t athletically gifted. If a guard is all of this then he usually won’t translate in the NBA. He also isn’t a raptors type pick.

But if they did pick him I would view it from a positive light because that means they see something in him that’s special. Something that could turn him into an elite scorer in the nba for example, from their point of view.

He's definitely gifted athletically at the PG position. He has bounce and isn't slow footed.

And he wasn't really productive as a freshman, it's actually the other way around. The inefficient athletically gifted guards that were subpar in college but get to league with more space and their shot starts to fall and boom, now you have something

[720]

I feel the same way about Keyonte. To me Keyonte is a classic example of a productive college guard that can’t translate in the NBA. Inefficient shooter, not elite on defense, isn’t athletically gifted. If a guard is all of this then he usually won’t translate in the NBA. He also isn’t a raptors type pick.

But if they did pick him I would view it from a positive light because that means they see something in him that’s special. Something that could turn him into an elite scorer in the nba for example, from their point of view.

He's definitely gifted athletically at the PG position. He has bounce and isn't slow footed.

And he wasn't really productive as a freshman, it's actually the other way around. The inefficient athletically gifted guards that were subpar in college but get to league with more space and their shot starts to fall and boom, now you have something

I don’t view him as a gifted athlete at the nba level. He very much plays under the rim. His first step is okay but not elite or great imo. I do like his ability to take the contact and finish afterwords.

Guards that come from college that become productive in the NBA typically have good shooting efficiency numbers. Usually an inefficient college guard ends up being an inefficient nba guard (there are some exceptions like Bradley Beal).

I view him as a Bouknight/Jonny Davis type player. Someone that thrived in college because of his high usage that will struggle in the league. I DO love how varied his shot creation ability is, and ultimately that skill set is what might make a lot of people regret passing on him. But he HAS to become an efficient scorer for it to work. What good is spacing in the nba if he doesn’t have a quick first step and can’t knock down three pointers consistently? He could prove people like me wrong obviously. I would be excited if we draft him mainly for that shot creation ability.

[Psubs]

I feel the same way about Keyonte. To me Keyonte is a classic example of a productive college guard that can’t translate in the NBA. Inefficient shooter, not elite on defense, isn’t athletically gifted. If a guard is all of this then he usually won’t translate in the NBA. He also isn’t a raptors type pick.

But if they did pick him I would view it from a positive light because that means they see something in him that’s special. Something that could turn him into an elite scorer in the nba for example, from their point of view.

He's definitely gifted athletically at the PG position. He has bounce and isn't slow footed.

And he wasn't really productive as a freshman, it's actually the other way around. The inefficient athletically gifted guards that were subpar in college but get to league with more space and their shot starts to fall and boom, now you have something

Anthony Black is more athletic and more of a PG. Keyonte is an undersized SG.

[Kevin Willis]

Obscure bit of draft news. Toronto apparently wants a workout with Isaiah Miranda who 7'1 and a freshman with NC State who I think never ended up playing with them:

Miranda signed with NC State as a mid-year enrollee. He was the No. 40 recruit in the country but did not appear in a game during his freshman season.

“The tools pop immediately for Isaiah Miranda,” On3 wrote in his scouting report coming out of high school. “At 7-0, 7-1 the center moves in a way most his size are not able. He is very fluid with a lot of explosive pop. Miranda can shoot the ball with deep range and he has great hand eye coordination with touch. His shot selection can be very erratic at times. He will have to learn the finer nuances of the game, like angles and footwork (he is oftentimes out of position to make a play). When it comes to raw upside, there might not be a player with more in this class. Now it is a matter of polishing it and putting it all together.”

https://www.on3.com/teams/nc-state-wolfpack/news/casey-morsell-isaiah-miranda-enter-nba-draft/

Here he is playing with a NBA ball for the first time:

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Great find Dalek. He's not getting drafted of course. He does give off a Baba Miller \ Bruno type of vibe. Raw but tall, athletic. Our bigs next year are Jacob, Precious, Koloko, Boucher. He wouldn't play for another 2-3 years anyway so he might be worth signing undrafted.

Edit: Actually this has now become a type - a 7 footer that plays like a guard. They used to be labelled a unicorn but now it's more of a type than anything.

[BoyzNTheHood]

He has to be the pick, right?

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[Dalek]

Obscure bit of draft news. Toronto apparently wants a workout with Isaiah Miranda who 7'1 and a freshman with NC State who I think never ended up playing with them:

Miranda signed with NC State as a mid-year enrollee. He was the No. 40 recruit in the country but did not appear in a game during his freshman season.

“The tools pop immediately for Isaiah Miranda,” On3 wrote in his scouting report coming out of high school. “At 7-0, 7-1 the center moves in a way most his size are not able. He is very fluid with a lot of explosive pop. Miranda can shoot the ball with deep range and he has great hand eye coordination with touch. His shot selection can be very erratic at times. He will have to learn the finer nuances of the game, like angles and footwork (he is oftentimes out of position to make a play). When it comes to raw upside, there might not be a player with more in this class. Now it is a matter of polishing it and putting it all together.”

https://www.on3.com/teams/nc-state-wolfpack/news/casey-morsell-isaiah-miranda-enter-nba-draft/

Here he is playing with a NBA ball for the first time:

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Great find Dalek. He's not getting drafted of course. He does give off a Baba Miller \ Bruno type of vibe. Raw but tall, athletic. Our bigs next year are Jacob, Precious, Koloko, Boucher. He wouldn't play for another 2-3 years anyway so he might be worth signing undrafted.

Edit: Actually this has now become a type - a 7 footer that plays like a guard. They used to be labelled a unicorn but now it's more of a type than anything.

Here is the original source, straight from the Pawtucket Times:

The Celtics, Thunder, Cavaliers, Raptors, and Jazz have all asked to bring in Isaiah Miranda for workouts. The Pawtucket native has declared for the 2023 NBA Draft but holds the option of returning to N.C. State next season.

https://www.pawtuckettimes.com/sports/mcgair-former-cumberland-high-standout-does-wright-thing-by-donating-game-used-items-for-silent/article_33f7d6f0-eb41-11ed-87a6-23b5306e87d8.html

You are right this is a type for the modern NBA - kind of like an even more athletic Bol Bol. He has a crazy amount of fluidity and hops at 7'1" which is exciting and honestly he has eastbay dunks which are going to get you off your chair.

He is a guy that I think could rise if he works out with teams and maybe gets to the Combine, but at the same time he hasn't played enough high level ball which means he has to learn the game. You are drafting a guy that is likely a second contract guy.

I watched a few interviews with him and he seems pretty down-to-earth, mature guy and knows what he has to work and that he has to get stronger for the next level. It is just good to know we are in the mix.

[Mark_83]

He has to be the pick, right?

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I can't see why he would enter this year unless he has some idea he's gonna get pick between 10-25, when he's projected top 10 next year. Masai's probably all over this guy. French speaking, too? Tailormade for Canada.

[grant101]

He has to be the pick, right?

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I can't see why he would enter this year unless he has some idea he's gonna get pick between 10-25, when he's projected top 10 next year. Masai's probably all over this guy. French speaking, too? Tailormade for Canada.

I’d be very surprised if he is not picked top 25 with all the attention he’s gotten. While I agree he has a chance to go top 5 next year, I think it would be a mistake for him, unless of course he’s ranked much lower than we’re all speculating (which I doubt given the NBaA’s love affair with athletic wings. You’re one blown knee away from falling off the radar completely

[OakleyDokely]

For all the anti tankers, Chicago had 11% chance to get #1 pick in NHL lottery and they got it tonight. But had to go for the play in . . .

What about the other 15 lottery teams that didn't get #1?

[dozo]

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[Chandan]

For all the anti tankers, Chicago had 11% chance to get #1 pick in NHL lottery and they got it tonight. But had to go for the play in . . .

What about the other 15 lottery teams that didn't get #1?

They have a good chance at #2

[Clutch0z24]

For all the anti tankers, Chicago had 11% chance to get #1 pick in NHL lottery and they got it tonight. But had to go for the play in . . .

What about the other 15 lottery teams that didn't get #1?

You don't need the number 1 pick to still build a great team through the draft....Having a high lottery pick is also better than being stuck in the 13-20 area and be a mid team every season...

There is always a star player who isn't exactly the number 1 pick but at the 13-20 range its really hard to get a player thats game changing...At 1-7 Its a little more possible to get that kind of player.

[OakleyDokely]

For all the anti tankers, Chicago had 11% chance to get #1 pick in NHL lottery and they got it tonight. But had to go for the play in . . .

What about the other 15 lottery teams that didn't get #1?

You don't need the number 1 pick to still build a great team through the draft....Having a high lottery pick is also better than being stuck in the 13-20 area and be a mid team every season...

There is always a star player who isn't exactly the number 1 pick but at the 13-20 range its really hard to get a player thats game changing...At 1-7 Its a little more possible to get that kind of player.

Im responding to the fact that he pointed to the one team that won the lottery and completely ignored the 15 that didn't. Did the other teams not tank properly or does he not understand odds/math?

No one is disputing that the higher the pick, the better the odds of landing the better player. But it takes a lot more to building a winner than just being bad.

[ItsDanger]

What about the other 15 lottery teams that didn't get #1?

You don't need the number 1 pick to still build a great team through the draft....Having a high lottery pick is also better than being stuck in the 13-20 area and be a mid team every season...

There is always a star player who isn't exactly the number 1 pick but at the 13-20 range its really hard to get a player thats game changing...At 1-7 Its a little more possible to get that kind of player.

Im responding to the fact that he pointed to the one team that won the lottery and completely ignored the 15 that didn't. Did the other teams not tank properly or does he not understand odds/math?

No one is disputing that the higher the pick, the better the odds of landing the better player. But it takes a lot more to building a winner than just being bad.

I understand math A LOT better than you. 1% is less than 11%. Get it? The pompous attitude is a joke.

[OakleyDokely]

You don't need the number 1 pick to still build a great team through the draft....Having a high lottery pick is also better than being stuck in the 13-20 area and be a mid team every season...

There is always a star player who isn't exactly the number 1 pick but at the 13-20 range its really hard to get a player thats game changing...At 1-7 Its a little more possible to get that kind of player.

Im responding to the fact that he pointed to the one team that won the lottery and completely ignored the 15 that didn't. Did the other teams not tank properly or does he not understand odds/math?

No one is disputing that the higher the pick, the better the odds of landing the better player. But it takes a lot more to building a winner than just being bad.

I understand math A LOT better than you. 1% is less than 11%. Get it? The pompous attitude is a joke.

and 89% is A LOT greater than 11%, which is the point you seem to be missing.

the probability of landing the #1 pick from any spot in the lottery is very low.

[ItsDanger]

Im responding to the fact that he pointed to the one team that won the lottery and completely ignored the 15 that didn't. Did the other teams not tank properly or does he not understand odds/math?

No one is disputing that the higher the pick, the better the odds of landing the better player. But it takes a lot more to building a winner than just being bad.

I understand math A LOT better than you. 1% is less than 11%. Get it? The pompous attitude is a joke.

and 89% is greater than 11%, which is why the point you seem to be missing.

the probability is landing the #1 pick from any spot in the lottery is very low.

Your comment just cements the problem you got. OMFG.

[OakleyDokely]

I understand math A LOT better than you. 1% is less than 11%. Get it? The pompous attitude is a joke.

and 89% is greater than 11%, which is why the point you seem to be missing.

the probability is landing the #1 pick from any spot in the lottery is very low.

Your comment just cements the problem you got. OMFG.

The funny thing is, you will do this exact same dance with Wemby. You will focus all your attention and energy on the one team that gets lucky and defies the odds and completely ignore the other 13 teams that didn't.

[ItsDanger]

and 89% is greater than 11%, which is why the point you seem to be missing.

the probability is landing the #1 pick from any spot in the lottery is very low.

Your comment just cements the problem you got. OMFG.

The funny thing is, you will do this exact same dance with Wemby. You will focus all your attention and energy on the one team that gets lucky and defies the odds and completely ignore the other 13 teams that didn't.

Can't win if you don't play. Your comprehension of probability isn't what you think it is.

[OakleyDokely]

Your comment just cements the problem you got. OMFG.

The funny thing is, you will do this exact same dance with Wemby. You will focus all your attention and energy on the one team that gets lucky and defies the odds and completely ignore the other 13 teams that didn't.

Can't win if you don't play. Your comprehension of probability isn't what you think it is.

My comprehension of bad logic is terrific though.