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An Unbiased Fan wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:Savage_Mode wrote:Got to be best player on a championship team to be considered the best in the world. And not a below average defensive player. Stop trying to disrespect the winners.
Nuggets rank 7th among the 16 playoff teams on defense, even with Booker going off on a historic shooting streak. They've been better than Philly, Boston and the Bucks on defense so far.
7 out of 16 isn't great.
Hobo4President wrote:Peregrine01 wrote:Pelly24 wrote:30/14/9 on 61 TS% against good defenders most of the time. I don't wanna compare him to any other big but I'll just say ... he's comfortably got the spot as best player in the world, w. being the best center being just a small part of that.
Jimmy Butler also once again forcing people to put respect on his name, once again proving he's a top 7 player, being one of the few ball players besides prime LeBron with essentially no meaningful weaknesses.
61% TS is pretty low for Jokic. But I think he gets dinged at least 3 TS percentage points from all the tipping he does.
It seems his touch has been improving over the playoffs, in the Minny series he was missing so many shots he usually makes. Does anyone know if you there's a site that shows TS% for individual games rather than manually figuring it out because I think it's likely his TS% is improving.
iLLmatic860 wrote:cant call him the best player in the world when he can get exploited like he does vs teams like warriors
Adam Stern wrote:Embiid is already widely considered the best center in the league and people here refuse to accept it. It's not my bias but those that run deep around here and have for years. It's why desperation threads like this continue to pop up.
Don't let a lack of objectivity induce you to dismiss opposing thought as bias.
sashaturiaf wrote:Jokic is a genius of a player, but his poor D as a 5 will always be his Achilles heel when it gets to the deeper rounds of the playoffs.
He's fine in the reg season, but when you're playing against elite offensive guys and your 5 can't deter them at the rim or the perimeter I don't like your chances of winning a series.
Pelly24 wrote:30/14/9 on 61 TS% against good defenders most of the time. I don't wanna compare him to any other big but I'll just say ... he's comfortably got the spot as best player in the world, w. being the best center being just a small part of that.
Jimmy Butler also once again forcing people to put respect on his name, once again proving he's a top 7 player, being one of the few ball players besides prime LeBron with essentially no meaningful weaknesses.
Alatan wrote:sashaturiaf wrote:Jokic is a genius of a player, but his poor D as a 5 will always be his Achilles heel when it gets to the deeper rounds of the playoffs.
He's fine in the reg season, but when you're playing against elite offensive guys and your 5 can't deter them at the rim or the perimeter I don't like your chances of winning a series.
Its a big weakness but lets not act like it cant be mitigated by smart roster construction. Jokic needs a guy in the mold of Draymond Green or JJJnext to him. A mobile PF with good defensive instincts that knows how to protect the rim and provide help defense. You get such a guy and a point of attack defender and your defense is fine.
Denvers problem is that Gordon is nowhere near the defender people like to think he is and he provides no help defense at all. Neither does MPJ, although he did make some improvements.
sashaturiaf wrote:Jokic is a genius of a player, but his poor D as a 5 will always be his Achilles heel when it gets to the deeper rounds of the playoffs.
He's fine in the reg season, but when you're playing against elite offensive guys and your 5 can't deter them at the rim or the perimeter I don't like your chances of winning a series.
Pennebaker wrote:Pelly24 wrote:30/14/9 on 61 TS% against good defenders most of the time. I don't wanna compare him to any other big but I'll just say ... he's comfortably got the spot as best player in the world, w. being the best center being just a small part of that.
Jimmy Butler also once again forcing people to put respect on his name, once again proving he's a top 7 player, being one of the few ball players besides prime LeBron with essentially no meaningful weaknesses.
Idk. He's not going to win anything this year, next year or the year after that. I wonder what Jokic's legacy will ultimately be, because he already has a reputation of being overrated. That can't be good.
SlovenianDragon wrote:I hope the NBA doesnt create a trend of giving MVP to random players just cuz they dont have 1 yet...
Adam Stern wrote:Not likely.
As bitter as some people are around here, Embiid could lead the 76ers to 3 straight playoff runs of 16-0 and they still wouldn't concede him as the best center let alone best player.
Adam Stern wrote:
Embiid is already widely considered the best center in the league and people here refuse to accept it. It's not my bias but those that run deep around here and have for years. It's why desperation threads like this continue to pop up.
Don't let a lack of objectivity induce you to dismiss opposing thought as bias.
longtallbrad wrote:SlovenianDragon wrote:I hope the NBA doesnt create a trend of giving MVP to random players just cuz they dont have 1 yet...
Already been happening, honestly. Barkley, Mailman...
Celtic Koala wrote:The only player from the 90s that would have been a top 10 player in the modern league would have been MJ and if you stretch it a bit Olajuwon
bstein14 wrote:Mikan is much worse than Luka Garza, who can't even make an NBA roster today
GeorgeMarcus wrote:Listen, Jokic has been great, so I'm not trying to downplay that. But Embiid has faced Ayton 8 times in his career, and averaged 36 points and 14 rebounds over that span. If Sixers were playing Phoenix and Jokic was playing Boston, it would NOT be the same. Just like Bam is a bad matchup for Randle who would surely be playing a lot better against most other teams. Matchups, matchups, matchups.