Let’s talk about that Lakers trade

[Memories]

It's actually Rui hachimura that was the lakers best aquisition, and he wasn't part of the west brook trade. Here's the rank of most important change to least.

1. Westbrook not on team (more minutes for Reeves who is a much better player at this point)
2. Acquiring Hachimura
3. Acquiring Vanderbilt (wing defender)
4. Acquiring DLO

Agreed. Rui was the biggest deadline surprise. He had a long unexplained absence back in D.C., a choppy return, and then one hell of a flourish as a Laker. He's showed up big in the playoffs.

This team reminds of the Raptors from a few years ago. Ridiculously long wings who can defend well but won't necessarily give you a barrage of three point shooting.

Beasley is the one aspect of the Westbrook trade that I don't get. He's been a starter in this league, but the trade hasn't made him elevate his game at all.

Eh, Beasley was mostly career backup with some stretches of starting. Lakers only started him cause in theory, he was supposed to stretch the floor next to Lebron and AD. But unfortunately, he fooled the Lakers into thinking he was a consistent threat with his volume shooting.

Beasley is actually awful and even worse Westbrook. Westbrook was at least capable of doing some things well sometimes. Beasley without a jumpshot, is legit one of the worst players in the league because he's also a liability on defense and can't hold the ball longer than 3 seconds without turning it over.

[akula1488]

Lakers should run it back next year but let Beasley go. Max Christie can develope into a better version Beasley.

[BigGargamel]

Because teams have always loved to give the Lakers something for nothing. Been happening since the 70's.

[frozt]

Because teams have always loved to give the Lakers something for nothing. Been happening since the 70's.

Didn't you guys just send the Lakers three 2nd round picks for Thomas Bryant...who you don't even play.

[hoosierdaddy34]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Why have you not addressed Ainge’s reasons for helping the Lakers…oh that’s right. There are none. Danny is ALWAYS going to take the best deal.

Problem here is you bought in to Real GMs version of value as opposed to what the value is in the real world. Westbrook was an expiring and had neutral value, he was never going to cost value to move off of. That was always just stupidity being spewed on this board. And obviously Beasley was quite a bit overrated…he’s not good. Russell as stated had no value because Minnesota didn’t want to pay him this summer and not many else did either. And Vanderbilt is only worth a first rounder if someone offers it…no one did.

Your pre-deadline miscalculations of player value does not mean there is some big conspiracy to get the Lakers players. They made the best offer in Rui and on the D Lo/ Vanderbilt/ Beasley package and that’s why they got those players. No other reason.

The other aspect of why no one else offered a first for any of these players or combinations thereof. The league has changed, teams aren’t moving firsts for role players. The price for a top 50 player in this league is multiple first rounders…3,4,5 picks. In order to have the assets available to get in on those discussions? Teams are holding onto their picks. That’s killed the market for the average player, no one is going to give up more than some 2nd rounders for one.

There is an impact to price to acquire DeJounte Murray or Jrue Holiday being 4 first rounders. And this trade deadline demonstrated that impact pretty clearly.

[81Zees]

That trade made them a complete team. Had Mo Bamba had enough time to play and develop chemistry, they would have been the favorites going forward. But they still have a decent shot to win the ring as long as they remain healthy. Their AD less rotation is very poor defensively. If Mo Bamba would have given them 12 solid minutes, they would have been really tough to beat.

[Gert42]

Also, if the Jazz don't make this trade there is a good chance they make the playoffs and not at the 9th best odds. In a vacuum, I would have liked more than a first, but ultimately the Jazz best asset was staring at them in front of the mirror, so it was a good trade.

[Ckay]

Also, if the Jazz don't make this trade there is a good chance they make the playoffs and not at the 9th best odds. In a vacuum, I would have liked more than a first, but ultimately the Jazz best asset was staring at them in front of the mirror, so it was a good trade.

Shout-out to the Utah Jazz!

[VFX]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Still don't understand this trade.

How is it that this happens and then Utah gets a frp 5 years from now to facilitate this deal as the only positive asset coming out of LA?

Are the Timberwolves a farm team for LA willing to help them out that badly for negative asset Mike Conley and some second rounders?

Then they acquire Hachimura (top 10 pick in 2019) for 3 second round picks and an undrafted nobody?

It's almost like the league made a few calls.

[Benedict_Boozer]

That trade made them a complete team. Had Mo Bamba had enough time to play and develop chemistry, they would have been the favorites going forward. But they still have a decent shot to win the ring as long as they remain healthy. Their AD less rotation is very poor defensively. If Mo Bamba would have given them 12 solid minutes, they would have been really tough to beat.

What happened to Bamba? Wasn’t he at least decent in ORL? Feels like he hasn’t even played

[levon]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Still don't understand this trade.

How is it that this happens and then Utah gets a frp 5 years from now to facilitate this deal as the only positive asset coming out of LA?

Are the Timberwolves a farm team for LA willing to help them out that badly for negative asset Mike Conley and some second rounders?

Then they acquire Hachimura (top 10 pick in 2019) for 3 second round picks and an undrafted nobody?

It's almost like the league made a few calls.

This trade was more believable than the trade to get Westbrook. I'd be more inclined to believe the league made calls to Pelinka to pull the trigger on that. Especially with his record on trades being pretty good leading up to that, and now pretty good after.

[trickshot]

Expirings are valuable to teams that want to start from scratch or GMs that were dealt a **** hand by their predecessor. The larger the better.

[zimpy27]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Still don't understand this trade.

How is it that this happens and then Utah gets a frp 5 years from now to facilitate this deal as the only positive asset coming out of LA?

Are the Timberwolves a farm team for LA willing to help them out that badly for negative asset Mike Conley and some second rounders?

Then they acquire Hachimura (top 10 pick in 2019) for 3 second round picks and an undrafted nobody?

It's almost like the league made a few calls.

Westbrook was just a bad fit and trading him was addition by subtraction. Adding Vando and DLo on top has made a big difference for Lakers but it wasn't a huge loss for the Jazz

[VFX]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Still don't understand this trade.

How is it that this happens and then Utah gets a frp 5 years from now to facilitate this deal as the only positive asset coming out of LA?

Are the Timberwolves a farm team for LA willing to help them out that badly for negative asset Mike Conley and some second rounders?

Then they acquire Hachimura (top 10 pick in 2019) for 3 second round picks and an undrafted nobody?

It's almost like the league made a few calls.

Westbrook was just a bad fit and trading him was addition by subtraction. Adding Vando and DLo on top has made a big difference for Lakers but it wasn't a huge loss for the Jazz

I get why Utah facilitated the deal.

That’s not the part of it that doesn’t make sense.

[John Murdoch]

That trade made them a complete team. Had Mo Bamba had enough time to play and develop chemistry, they would have been the favorites going forward. But they still have a decent shot to win the ring as long as they remain healthy. Their AD less rotation is very poor defensively. If Mo Bamba would have given them 12 solid minutes, they would have been really tough to beat.

Nah hes soft bro , hes not impacting the defense anymore than Wenyen would imo plus darvin likes goin small anyways. Id rather have a rebounding speacalist once AD sits so that atleast we get a few more 2nd chance opportunities to capitalize on . Good targets for next year : Plumlee, Okongwu, Portis, WCJ

Have #17 , Christie , and maybe Beasly to package and shop around

[One Last Shot]

That trade made them a complete team. Had Mo Bamba had enough time to play and develop chemistry, they would have been the favorites going forward. But they still have a decent shot to win the ring as long as they remain healthy. Their AD less rotation is very poor defensively. If Mo Bamba would have given them 12 solid minutes, they would have been really tough to beat.

What happened to Bamba? Wasn’t he at least decent in ORL? Feels like he hasn’t even played

Bad Bamba

[hugepatsfan]

The Jazz cleared future salary in the form of Conley's buyout. That negated Westbrook. As far as he's fallen off as a player, for the rebuilding/retooling Jazz clearing Conley's $38M between this year and next actually is weeeeeeeeeeeell worth taking all that dead money this year for Westbrook. That swap right there is a win for the Jazz on what they're trying to accomplish.

Vanderbilt was maybe worth a 1st, but only froma good team and one with little variability on it, projecting to be very late. Same with Beasley. They're just not special players. Their value as role players faaaaar exceeds their actual trade value. If you're the Jazz, with a whole treasure chest of picks already, near-term late 1sts don't do much for you. You muuuuuuuuuuuch prefer the variability of a future pick. And even though the Lakers got some protection on the pick, there's still lots of room for upside. That's a good gamble for Ainge considering how poorly run the Lakers have been overall the last decade.

I don't think pelinka "fleeced" anyone. I think he did a good job of finding a team with a set of circumstances that complimented the Lakers. The Lakers only had way off in the distance future picks to give... so they found a team that preferred those. The Lakers wanted to break Westbrook's money down into multiple picks... so they found a team that's in a stage where they'd rahter "take their medicine" and have a huge dead money charge in a rebuilding year over clogging the future cap sheet. LAL and Utah just lined up really, really well for a trade IMO.

[TimeisIllmatic]

That trade made them a complete team. Had Mo Bamba had enough time to play and develop chemistry, they would have been the favorites going forward. But they still have a decent shot to win the ring as long as they remain healthy. Their AD less rotation is very poor defensively. If Mo Bamba would have given them 12 solid minutes, they would have been really tough to beat.

Nah hes soft bro , hes not impacting the defense anymore than Wenyen would imo plus darvin likes goin small anyways. Id rather have a rebounding speacalist once AD sits so that atleast we get a few more 2nd chance opportunities to capitalize on . Good targets for next year : Plumlee, Okongwu, Portis, WCJ

Have #17 , Christie , and maybe Beasly to package and shop around

I don't see Atlanta, Milwaukee and Orlando giving up their guys for the package the Lakers would offer. Worst case scenario is picking up Plumlee on the vet minimum.

[TimeisIllmatic]

I still don’t understand how this version of Russell Westbrook & a first round pick that has protections on it can get you all of D’Lo, Beasley & Vanderbilt.
Their was talks about Vanderbilt costing a first round pick which is why I find it ridiculous that they were able to get both Beasley & Russell as well.
The Lakers FO has been atrocious for years & yet constantly get rewarded for it.

Rant over.

Still don't understand this trade.

How is it that this happens and then Utah gets a frp 5 years from now to facilitate this deal as the only positive asset coming out of LA?

Are the Timberwolves a farm team for LA willing to help them out that badly for negative asset Mike Conley and some second rounders?

Then they acquire Hachimura (top 10 pick in 2019) for 3 second round picks and an undrafted nobody?

It's almost like the league made a few calls.

Conley damn near single handedly won Minnesota the play-in game against the Lakers so I wouldn't necessarily call him a negative asset.

[Up-And-Coming]

It was a great trade, no doubt about it. It's just I think it gets overblown by opposing fans who make it sound like we we're gifted 3 in their prime All-Stars. Malik Beasley has simply not been good as a Laker and he's completely out of the rotation. Jarred Vanderbilt on another team would have his weaknesses be more glaring. I mean he's only getting 19 minutes a game with 41%/27%/67% splits but Ham has found a way to use him as our position-less defensive ace next to Bron and AD in spot minutes. D'Angelo still is trying to shake his reputation of being a no-show in the playoffs which to his credit he's been a lot better but even some Lakers fans are getting frustrated with some of his inconsistency. Mo Bamba doesn't have any of the coaches trust to play any meaningful minutes so far. If you drop D'Lo, Vanderbilt and Beasley on any of the bottom playoff teams it wouldn't be anywhere near enough to instantly turn them into contenders.

The thing is the players simply fit, are young and hungry and with Westbrook gone it truly opened a lot more opportunities for even our pre-trade players. The chemistry is amazing and they all can play the right way now. The whole team is deep, even outside the players we traded for.