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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#781 » by sam_I_am » Mon Apr 24, 2023 1:44 pm

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He never talks about White’s offense, it’s always about his defense. Which isn’t accurate either lol, but not sure what it has to do with a heliocentric Tatum offense.


I have those winners on mute so I’ll answer through you. I don’t often talk in game threads because it’s full of whiners, homers and doomsayers. It’s exhausting. As to why I don’t talk about his offense, why would I? He’s a great role player and this season has been hitting his wide open threes. Nobody is delusional and calling for him to be named an all-star like they are claiming he’s DPOY caliber. So I don’t feel the need to keep people in check regarding his offense. He does his job on offense and is integral. I watch the games and that’s what my eyes tell me. They also tell me he regularly gets cooked on defense and it’s laughable that people think he’s worthy of all-defense. Even Jaylen is a better defender and he’s just barely above average. White is like our 5th best defender behind Tatum, Smart, Timelord and Jaylen but to read this thread you’d think he was our best. It’s dumb and deserves to be mocked so here I am!!


I am a huge fan of White trade but I agree with a lot of what you said here about White’s offense. Quinn Snyder is a really good coach and there is a reason he always has one of his best defenders (Hunter, Murray) on Brown and Tatum and why he lives with Trae Young guarding White.

Our team is made up of 7 guys who are solid 2 way players and White is one of the better individual and team defenders. I would put Horford in top 3 however. All of our defenders are getting cooked and struggling with Trae’s speed but thankfully they all can cook him at the other end too.
"I think the criticism's stupid," Stevens said. "So I don't care. I'm with Jaylen (Brown) on that. Those two had achieved more than most 25 and 26 year olds ever had. I'd rather be in the mix and have my guts ripped out than suck."
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

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Post#783 » by BostonCouchGM » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:01 pm

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I'm honestly not "hating" just providing a counter viewpoint. So many of his blocks are after he's completely cooked and blown by by offensive players and he chases it down and sometimes gets a block. Aided of course by the player being worried by defenders meeting them at the rim as well though. Yes they still count. But many times he doesn't get them and the result is a score or missed bunny. Point is, he shouldn't be credited with great defense in either case. I don't think he's anything but average on man. Where White excels is on team defense where he gets many of his blocks and steals. I won't deny he's a good team defender. But average on-man plus good team defender does not make him all-nba worthy and that was only ever my point. People get so damn hyperbolic about our players on this sub.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#784 » by hugepatsfan » Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:20 pm

I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#785 » by BostonCouchGM » Tue Apr 25, 2023 4:41 am

hugepatsfan wrote:I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.


didn't say he "let's guys go to chase blocks". I said he gets his blocks sometimes when guys have blown by him due to his bad defense and is able to recover and get a block. This is made easier because the guy who just blew by him has to think about help defenders meeting them at the rim giving White an opportunity to surprise them with the chase down block. Yes, everyone gets beat once in awhile. But he has games where this happens multiple times. He's probably at best our 5th or 6th best defender but people claim he's all-defense. It's just kinda silly. If he makes an all-defense team it'll be a slap in the face to all the better defenders on our team. They'll be happy for him of course because they're making bank and it's being a team-player but it'll still be laughable.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#786 » by CelticsPride18 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 5:08 am

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hugepatsfan wrote:I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.


didn't say he "let's guys go to chase blocks". I said he gets his blocks sometimes when guys have blown by him due to his bad defense and is able to recover and get a block. This is made easier because the guy who just blew by him has to think about help defenders meeting them at the rim giving White an opportunity to surprise them with the chase down block. Yes, everyone gets beat once in awhile. But he has games where this happens multiple times. He's probably at best our 5th or 6th best defender but people claim he's all-defense. It's just kinda silly. If he makes an all-defense team it'll be a slap in the face to all the better defenders on our team. They'll be happy for him of course because they're making bank and it's being a team-player but it'll still be laughable.


I agree, he’s our worst guard on defense. Paying that price for him was stupid when you have a 2 way stud like PP in the bench rotting
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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#787 » by Floody100 » Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:08 am

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hugepatsfan wrote:I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.


didn't say he "let's guys go to chase blocks". I said he gets his blocks sometimes when guys have blown by him due to his bad defense and is able to recover and get a block. This is made easier because the guy who just blew by him has to think about help defenders meeting them at the rim giving White an opportunity to surprise them with the chase down block. Yes, everyone gets beat once in awhile. But he has games where this happens multiple times. He's probably at best our 5th or 6th best defender but people claim he's all-defense. It's just kinda silly. If he makes an all-defense team it'll be a slap in the face to all the better defenders on our team. They'll be happy for him of course because they're making bank and it's being a team-player but it'll still be laughable.


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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#788 » by ballup » Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:24 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.


didn't say he "let's guys go to chase blocks". I said he gets his blocks sometimes when guys have blown by him due to his bad defense and is able to recover and get a block. This is made easier because the guy who just blew by him has to think about help defenders meeting them at the rim giving White an opportunity to surprise them with the chase down block. Yes, everyone gets beat once in awhile. But he has games where this happens multiple times. He's probably at best our 5th or 6th best defender but people claim he's all-defense. It's just kinda silly. If he makes an all-defense team it'll be a slap in the face to all the better defenders on our team. They'll be happy for him of course because they're making bank and it's being a team-player but it'll still be laughable.
Imagine trying to storm up a negative critique of player only to accidentally stumble on the basic defensive duties of bigs and what a defense ecosystem is.

Before Al got to Boston, the Celtics had a top 5 defense. They had 3 great perimeter defenders in Crowder, Bradley, and Smart. The gameplan was to pressure the perimeter and force drives into the middle. Despite regularly being beat off drives, the team funnelled drives into a big.

Good defenses forces offenses to waste time, take shots in areas they don't want to take, and/or take contested shots. White is near the top for guards in contrested shots. It's almost as if defense has layers to it, kinda like idk....a system?

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Re: Welcome Derrick White 

Post#789 » by BostonCouchGM » Wed Apr 26, 2023 9:18 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:I've never seen a defender who doesn't get beat sometimes. No one is perfect. Especially not with the rules today that prevent hand checking and how athletic these guys are. Even the most elite defenders in the game get blown by a **** ton from what I can see. If you can recover and block some shots off that, that's only a positive thing.

I definitely don't think White is a guy who's letting guys go to chase blocks. He gets blown by sometimes, sure. No liability that way though from what I can see. And sometimes he recovers to contest or block a shot - even better.


didn't say he "let's guys go to chase blocks". I said he gets his blocks sometimes when guys have blown by him due to his bad defense and is able to recover and get a block. This is made easier because the guy who just blew by him has to think about help defenders meeting them at the rim giving White an opportunity to surprise them with the chase down block. Yes, everyone gets beat once in awhile. But he has games where this happens multiple times. He's probably at best our 5th or 6th best defender but people claim he's all-defense. It's just kinda silly. If he makes an all-defense team it'll be a slap in the face to all the better defenders on our team. They'll be happy for him of course because they're making bank and it's being a team-player but it'll still be laughable.


I agree, he’s our worst guard on defense. Paying that price for him was stupid when you have a 2 way stud like PP in the bench rotting


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Post#791 » by Hal14 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:38 pm

Happy for Derrick. Well deserved honor.

He actually deserved to make 1st-team.

IMO, he was a better defender than Caruso. Plus, White played all 82 games, 29 MPG for a team that got the 2 seed. Caruso played 67 games only 23 MPG and missed the playoffs.
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Post#792 » by bisme37 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:44 pm

Congrats D White on the All-Defensive team honor. Well deserved.
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Post#793 » by Celts17Pride » Tue May 9, 2023 6:54 pm

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Very well deserved by Mr. D White!
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Post#794 » by Parliament10 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:56 pm

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Wow. Very Nice. -- I didn't expect White to get noticed.
But, he does Block quite a few shots; among other things.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White - 2022-23 All Defensive Team 

Post#795 » by BK_2020 » Tue May 9, 2023 7:06 pm

No one in the first team made it past the 1st round lol.
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Post#796 » by BRUNiNHO91 » Tue May 9, 2023 8:09 pm

Should have been first team. Dude was an animal.
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Re: Welcome Derrick White - 2022-23 All Defensive Team 

Post#797 » by Shak_Celts » Tue May 9, 2023 9:26 pm

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Post#798 » by Mr_Mojo_Risin » Tue May 9, 2023 10:06 pm

Great to see he was recognised, highly deserving.
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Post#799 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue May 9, 2023 10:28 pm

BK_2020 wrote:No one in the first team made it past the 1st round lol.


Ditto for a couple of second-teamers, one of whom is also having a rather public parting of the ways with his team.
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Post#800 » by Fencer reregistered » Tue May 9, 2023 10:32 pm

Also, of the 5 former Defense Player(s) of the Year still in the league, only 1 made a team.

E.g., White was on and Smart was off, which could be viewed as a changing of the guard.
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