This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

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Re: This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's. 

Post#401 » by nikster » Tue May 9, 2023 6:15 pm

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Marrrcuss wrote:Ok, im going to concede Miami even though i thought outside the big 3, they sucked.

When else was it "stacked" ?

I agree. Just didn't think that argument would fly with this guy so I kept it simple lol

Imagine Klay Thompson as your 2nd best scorer and considering that team stacked. People are complaining about Jamal Murray as a 2nd option yet he's been offensively better than Klay in the playoffs. Yea Steph's teams are stacked. When Steph has a legit 2nd option like KD no one stood a chance. When Lebron has a legit 2nd option like Wade, Kyrie, and AD everyone else still beat him.

Imagine making a lazy reductionist argument like that
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Post#402 » by Homer38 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:18 pm

nikster wrote:
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nikster wrote:I agree. Just didn't think that argument would fly with this guy so I kept it simple lol

Imagine Klay Thompson as your 2nd best scorer and considering that team stacked. People are complaining about Jamal Murray as a 2nd option yet he's been offensively better than Klay in the playoffs. Yea Steph's teams are stacked. When Steph has a legit 2nd option like KD no one stood a chance. When Lebron has a legit 2nd option like Wade, Kyrie, and AD everyone else still beat him.

Imagine making a lazy reductionist argument like that


The warriors were also very deep back in 2015 and 2016....The importance for the depth for a team is very underrated and also very important...The current lakers team is a exemple for that
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Post#403 » by infinite11285 » Tue May 9, 2023 6:24 pm

Homer38 wrote:Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

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Not to mention LeBron's 10 conference titles (8 straight) and the AT scoring records in the regular season and playoffs.

I love Steph, but he's not there, yet. Steph is still on my Rushmore, though.
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Post#404 » by nikster » Tue May 9, 2023 6:27 pm

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Homer38 wrote:Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

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Not to mention LeBron's 10 conference titles (8 straight) and the AT scoring records in the regular season and playoffs.

I love Steph, but he's not there, yet. Steph is still on my Rushmore, though.

Yeah Lebron has like 17 000 more career points (about 20K if including playoffs)
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Post#405 » by Franco » Tue May 9, 2023 6:27 pm

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I'm surprised you stepped out of your moderated LeBron forum from which you've probably caused far more posters to quit the forums with your "moderation" than to actually solve problems. My comments and the correctness of them are an open book. It's why that forum of yours that I no longer post in cannot carry on a decent Curry conversation which all takes place here.


Case in point with your aggressive and abrasive posting :wink:

Just so you know all boards bans are decided collectively by the mod team and not one single mod. You posting and attacking me like this only validates the ban that you earned. Lastly, during these playoffs I have mostly posted on the GB board but didn't know you were so interested in where I post.


Yes and refs do an upstanding job of calling fouls fairly. The ban on that nonsensical forum that I earned by being correct? That's the place people want to go for fakery. That you are abandoning that forum you have helped to create and appearing here now instead of staying there should give a hint of how bereft of reality that forum is. But you say you are being attacked. White is black and up is down. Happens often when it comes to LeBron fans.


God I can probably create a second Dead Sea from the amount of salt here.

When you reduce an entire argument to "you post on a different forum now, therefore you're wrong" you should know that you lost. The hell kind of reasoning is that :lol:
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Post#406 » by Lalouie » Tue May 9, 2023 6:53 pm

regardless of the outcome it's steph's era NOW

he influenced more players
he influenced the game more
he's prettier so he gets more non-basketball related sponsors
people like him more than lebron
doesn't hunt for rings and didn't have to form a posse to do it
seamless integration to ANY team

lebron's era has been a while back
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Post#407 » by The Laker Kid » Tue May 9, 2023 7:24 pm

Nah, it's actually Pat Bev's era now. Remember that the next 5 years are his. In fact he might even find a ring in his mailbox while relaxing at home :D
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Post#408 » by ken6199 » Tue May 9, 2023 7:30 pm

This "seamless integration to ANY team" we hear people bringing it up everywhere without a second thought. Is that guaranteed to be a positive attribute over others? I mean I am sure Tony Allen, Bruce Bowen or Jrue Holiday can be seamlessly integrated to any team. OK, I know you will say, how about limiting it to first option players that can be seamless integrated to any other team? We keep digging then.

Still, being easy to integrate to any system does not necessarily mean you are better than some others who cannot be integrated as easily. People often look at an ISO player and think, hmmm that guy cannot be integrated to other teams, he just dribble dribble does his own thing while making his teammates worse, leave them hang and dry, frustrated - at the same time ignoring this ISO guy also contributes massively by attracting double teams and throw easy pass to scrubs for them to have 5-6 bunnies every game. In a way, that ISO can be easily integrated to any teams as well, including having him playing with 4 grandmas because he just does his own thing regardless of the system in place. Have Steph play with 4 grandmas who cannot set screens for him? It won't look good. See the flaws in this whole integration stuff?

On the other hand, Steph also relies on Kerr's motion offense massively. He needs guys to set screens (illegal or not, different topic) for him to be able to run around and get open shots. We have a beautiful name for it - off ball ability, or gravity. In the other thread where we saw his abysmal clutch shot stats - in a vacuum 1-on-1 situations he is just not big or strong enough to create a shot out of nowhere without the help of his teammates. Steph truly relies on a mature offensive system that knows the in and out of Kerr's motion offense to ignite his gravity, and I think it's a safe assumption to say he wouldn't be as efficient as some of his peers if you throw him into 4 G- leaguers and expect him to carry them to a playoff spot. Look no further than LeBron.

I think overall this thread is a disservice to both Lebron and Steph, by trashing Lebron to hyping up Steph to make a ill timed, kneejerk, chest thumping hot take thread right after the finals. That's why I always say, don't knee jerk after a finals, it's just one series, 7 damn games. You don't define player's career over 7 games, let alone an era.
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Post#409 » by Marrrcuss » Tue May 9, 2023 7:34 pm

Lalouie wrote:regardless of the outcome it's steph's era NOW

he influenced more players
he influenced the game more
he's prettier so he gets more non-basketball related sponsors
people like him more than lebron
doesn't hunt for rings and didn't have to form a posse to do it
seamless integration to ANY team

lebron's era has been a while back

Not being facetious but who did Steph influence that is doing well now? The first question might be what do you consider a steph influence? Long 3s? Volume trey shooting? What else?

This isnt like Harden who i keep maintaining brought certain moves (the step back and side step) that MANY MANY NBA guys emulate. Hell, steph even tried it and got called for a walk the first time.

The only guy that come to mind is Trae but even his game is different.

We cant just call Steph great without reaching?
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Post#410 » by Lalouie » Tue May 9, 2023 8:01 pm

Marrrcuss wrote:
Lalouie wrote:regardless of the outcome it's steph's era NOW

he influenced more players
he influenced the game more
he's prettier so he gets more non-basketball related sponsors
people like him more than lebron
doesn't hunt for rings and didn't have to form a posse to do it
seamless integration to ANY team

lebron's era has been a while back

Not being facetious but who did Steph influence that is doing well now? The first question might be what do you consider a steph influence? Long 3s? Volume trey shooting? What else?

This isnt like Harden who i keep maintaining brought certain moves (the step back and side step) that MANY MANY NBA guys emulate. Hell, steph even tried it and got called for a walk the first time.

The only guy that come to mind is Trae but even his game is different.

We cant just call Steph great without reaching?


that is not really the point AT ALL. many artists over time have been influenced by picasso or degas. they have not all been great. the measure of influence is not gauged by the success of followers. that lies in the talent of the followers themselves.

an "era" has many definitions. as a paradigm of the times one of the de rigueur effects of such an era is it's influence,,,copycat if you prefer
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Post#411 » by Michael Jackson » Tue May 9, 2023 8:14 pm

The Laker Kid wrote:Nah, it's actually Pat Bev's era now. Remember that the next 5 years are his. In fact he might even find a ring in his mailbox while relaxing at home :D




Lonnie Walker just stole that from P Bev last night... It is his era now
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Post#412 » by Marrrcuss » Tue May 9, 2023 8:25 pm

Lalouie wrote:
Marrrcuss wrote:
Lalouie wrote:regardless of the outcome it's steph's era NOW

he influenced more players
he influenced the game more
he's prettier so he gets more non-basketball related sponsors
people like him more than lebron
doesn't hunt for rings and didn't have to form a posse to do it
seamless integration to ANY team

lebron's era has been a while back

Not being facetious but who did Steph influence that is doing well now? The first question might be what do you consider a steph influence? Long 3s? Volume trey shooting? What else?

This isnt like Harden who i keep maintaining brought certain moves (the step back and side step) that MANY MANY NBA guys emulate. Hell, steph even tried it and got called for a walk the first time.

The only guy that come to mind is Trae but even his game is different.

We cant just call Steph great without reaching?


that is not really the point AT ALL. many artists over time have been influenced by picasso or degas. they have not all been great. the measure of influence is not gauged by the success of followers. that lies in the talent of the followers themselves.

an "era" has many definitions. as a paradigm of the times one of the de rigueur effects of such an era is it's influence,,,copycat if you prefer

I just feel the steph media push goes too far. There is a chart that shows the 3 point attempts were steadily increased starting with the rockets and all that analytics stuff. Besides that, there is no proof anywhere that it was actually his influence. Hell, there arent even any teams that you obviously see that were influence, especially not the other title contenders, from the bucks to the lakers to the celtics. They all do different things.

One of the main bullshyt narratives is that the 3s have won them these titles when their defense has been top notch. Them and boston were 1 and 2 last year in defensive ratings. The 3s are just the selling point though.
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Post#413 » by dakomish23 » Tue May 9, 2023 8:33 pm

Homer38 wrote:Only if you think that Curry is a top 5 players ever

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Holy hell that’s not just a HOF career the DIFFERENCE b/w the two is a top 25 NBA player of all time probably :lol:
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Post#414 » by Lalouie » Wed May 10, 2023 1:02 am

Marrrcuss wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
Marrrcuss wrote:Not being facetious but who did Steph influence that is doing well now? The first question might be what do you consider a steph influence? Long 3s? Volume trey shooting? What else?

This isnt like Harden who i keep maintaining brought certain moves (the step back and side step) that MANY MANY NBA guys emulate. Hell, steph even tried it and got called for a walk the first time.

The only guy that come to mind is Trae but even his game is different.

We cant just call Steph great without reaching?


that is not really the point AT ALL. many artists over time have been influenced by picasso or degas. they have not all been great. the measure of influence is not gauged by the success of followers. that lies in the talent of the followers themselves.

an "era" has many definitions. as a paradigm of the times one of the de rigueur effects of such an era is it's influence,,,copycat if you prefer

I just feel the steph media push goes too far. There is a chart that shows the 3 point attempts were steadily increased starting with the rockets and all that analytics stuff. Besides that, there is no proof anywhere that it was actually his influence. Hell, there arent even any teams that you obviously see that were influence, especially not the other title contenders, from the bucks to the lakers to the celtics. They all do different things.

One of the main bullshyt narratives is that the 3s have won them these titles when their defense has been top notch. Them and boston were 1 and 2 last year in defensive ratings. The 3s are just the selling point though.
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Post#415 » by Lalouie » Wed May 10, 2023 1:16 am

Marrrcuss wrote:
Lalouie wrote:
Marrrcuss wrote:Not being facetious but who did Steph influence that is doing well now? The first question might be what do you consider a steph influence? Long 3s? Volume trey shooting? What else?

This isnt like Harden who i keep maintaining brought certain moves (the step back and side step) that MANY MANY NBA guys emulate. Hell, steph even tried it and got called for a walk the first time.

The only guy that come to mind is Trae but even his game is different.

We cant just call Steph great without reaching?


that is not really the point AT ALL. many artists over time have been influenced by picasso or degas. they have not all been great. the measure of influence is not gauged by the success of followers. that lies in the talent of the followers themselves.

an "era" has many definitions. as a paradigm of the times one of the de rigueur effects of such an era is it's influence,,,copycat if you prefer

I just feel the steph media push goes too far. There is a chart that shows the 3 point attempts were steadily increased starting with the rockets and all that analytics stuff. Besides that, there is no proof anywhere that it was actually his influence. Hell, there arent even any teams that you obviously see that were influence, especially not the other title contenders, from the bucks to the lakers to the celtics. They all do different things.

One of the main bullshyt narratives is that the 3s have won them these titles when their defense has been top notch. Them and boston were 1 and 2 last year in defensive ratings. The 3s are just the selling point though.


i certainly agree with this. i have seen that chart and the 3 did not take a bump with steph. it DID take a bump with houston.

however i am not talking about the steph 3.
i am talking about the codifying or glamorization of the 3. if not to the players then to the public
the 3 might have evolved on it's own without steph,,,who knows. but that is often the case in many things. it just so happens that both steph and the 3 coincide and will always be linked regardless of what you or i say.

i actually see more players than just trae using steph's push shot. here's my view of the arc of steph's push shot. it's a natural evolution for kids who are not strong. almost every kid starts out using the push shot but somewhere along the line someone told them that a high release is the best way. well, i think steph said it's ok to push the shot. also,,,it's a quicker release than the standard way. reggie's also released go up and not at his apex, steph just starts lower. but no one talked about reggie's form

regardless steph is a player of "normal" build and that in itself is ideally suited for players. being 6'8/255 and frieght training your way through big bodies is not.

the stepf media is what it is. madison av/nba will sieze the opportunity to cash on anything. it's not steph's fault someone opens the bank vault for his services. whether you agree at least you can still understand why. frankly he's handsomer than lebron and lebron comes off as a phony in ads
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Post#416 » by Dr Aki » Wed May 10, 2023 1:22 am

Ooof, what a necro thread
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Post#417 » by Lalouie » Wed May 10, 2023 1:26 am

Dr Aki wrote:Ooof, what a necro thread


my excuse is i like to jabber. got nothing to do with the topic :lol: :wink:
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Post#418 » by LakersLegacy » Wed May 10, 2023 2:46 am

Round 1 goes to Steph - Kyrie injured in game 2, surgery needed, K Love injured STEPH

Round 2 goes to LeBron coming back 1-3 LEBRON

Then Durant throws off the rivalry for next 2 meetings NOT FAIR

Play in game 2021 Lakers win LEBRON

Full series 2023??

I have it 1 to 1 with LEBRON having a small advantage in a. 1 game play in sans Durant
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Post#419 » by VanWest82 » Wed May 10, 2023 4:09 am

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Post#420 » by Pennebaker » Wed May 10, 2023 4:10 am

Goomba3666 wrote:4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.


1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.
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