This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[letskissbro]

Casuals finding out about plus minus is the worst thing to ever happen to NBA discourse.

[LukaTheGOAT]

Taking a look at the PS, looking at some 3-year scoring peaks from the guys you mentioned, (adjusted to a 110 league average).

Lebron (08-10)-Inflation Adjusted 32 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.6%)

Lebron (16-18)-Inflation Adjusted 30.6 pts per 75 (rTS% of 7.9%)

Lebron (17-20)-Inflation Adjusted 30.5 pts per 75 (rTS% of 8.3%)

Lebron (12-14)-Inflation Adjusted 30.3 pts per 75 (rTS% of 9%)

Lebron (14-16)-Inflation Adjusted 30.1 pts per 75 (rTS% of 5.9%)

Lebron (13-15)-Inflation Adjusted 29.7 pts per 75 (rTS% of 6%)

Curry (15-17)-Inflation Adjusted 28.8 pts per 75 (rTS% of 8.6%)

15-17 is statistically Steph's 3-yr scoring peak without much argument and therefore is the only I've posted.

Steph's 3-year Peak ScoreVal is 1.9

Lebron has 5 different 3-year stretches where his ScoreVal is higher than this.

This is just measuring their scoring, and is where I imagine a lot of Curry's argument would have to come from if you were to put him ahead of Lebron.

[Homer38]

The non center lineup is a huge reason why.....Btw,this is one of the very few times in his career that a team is able to play well with LBJ on the bench,so it was about time!

[Homer38]

LOL it's funny, everyone acting like LeBron is a bum and Curry has just been killing it, but so far this series:

LeBron: 23/9/5 on 54% TS and 113 Orating
Curry: 25/6/8 on 55% TS and 111 Orating

And LeBron has played much better defense. One of the worst playoff series for LeBron in recent memory is still arguably the second best player in this series, after AD. And that's with a foot injury that's nowhere close to recovered.

Just imagine if this was 16-18 LeBron. He was the best offensive player of all time in those seasons imo, literally unstoppable.

[Marrrcuss]

On the last play, they sent a pick to get Anthony Davis on Steph INSTEAD of LeBron. Think about that.

[Goomba3666]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

[phraoh]

To me its a totally ridiculous comparison, partially because of the differences in roles and positions, but more due to the following:
a) Lebron has won a championship with 3 different teams, primarily because he is a true difference maker IF you play the right system, b) Lebron is SIGNIFICANTLY more clutch at the end of games than Steph, c) Lebron is a MUCH better all around player than Steph....Steph is only a better shooter, d) Steph has had the luxury of playing with 2 other all stars his ENTIRE career. Just go back to the 2016 Finals...Lebron's hustle and chase down block allowed the Cavs to win game 7 after being down 3-1, and Curry missed bomb after bomb in the final seconds to win the game....heck he couldn't even get a good shot off against Kevin Love.

[jk31]

His 4th time winning is alongside a guy that Lebron didn't think was worthy playing with.

Tell me you don't have any clue or have an agenda without telling me so.

Wiggins was traded AS A ROOKIE because LeBron aimed at a championship run in 2014/15 instantly and not 8 years later when Wiggins finally found out how to be an effective basketball player on a winning team.

[ali1979]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

Your comment is completeley misleading.

Peak Klay was> Peak Irving

Peak Darymand> Peak Love

Iguodala> Tristan Thompson

So other than Lebron and Steph , GSW roster was > Cavs roster.

GSw fans are underrating Duran, and overrating Kevin Love&Irving to save Curry. Durant is one the top 3 scorers in last 20 years. Any owner would give Irving+Love for Durant.

Irving is not a super star, Love is not a super star. Look at Irving at Boston, Nets, and MAvs who can say he is a superstar? After Lebron left noboby wanted Love' max contract in a trade. Oh owners who max average stars do not want Love at max. How in the world a superstar is not wanted wanted by any team?

Did you watch Love and Irving's matches when Lebron was injured ? Cavs were not able to win against weak teams in the weak east.

Who says superstar to Irving and Love do not know anything about basketball.

[Goomba3666]

1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

Your comment is completeley misleading.

Peak Klay was> Peak Irving

Peak Darymand> Peak Love

Iguodala> Tristan Thompson

So other than Lebron and Steph , GSW roster was > Cavs roster.

GSw fans are underrating Duran, and overrating Kevin Love&Irving to save Curry. Durant is one the top 3 scorers in last 20 years. Any owner would give Irving+Love for Durant.

Irving is not a super star, Love is not a super star. Look at Irving at Boston, Nets, and MAvs who can say he is a superstar? After Lebron left noboby wanted Love' max contract in a trade. Oh owners who max average stars do not want Love at max. How in the world a superstar is not wanted wanted by any team?

Did you watch Love and Irving's matches when Lebron was injured ? Cavs were not able to win against weak teams in the weak east.

Who says superstar to Irving and Love do not know anything about basketball.

Lol. So Klay Thompson was better than Kyrie Irving.

Got it. No point in contending with that.

Lol @ Draymond being better than Kevin Love

VERY surprised you didn't throw in Harrison Barnes> Kyrie. I've seen your ilk do that too.

And I've seen Bron stans use the following interchangeably to label players when it suits their desired purpose:

- Hall of Famers
- All star appearances
- 'Superstars' (this is when I know you're desperate)

What's with all the qualifiers like 'peak' and etc. Wanna give yourself some space to walk back some posts or nah?

[Warriorfan]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

Won rings with different sets of roles players whom he all made look better. Basically everyone 'fit in'.

Wiggins, who Lebron had traded away to get Kevin Love, FLOURISHED alongside a guy that beat Lebron 3x in the finals in Curry.

Literally gas made EVERY TEAMMATE better by merely just his presence on the floor. From superstars like KD, to players like McGee/Nick Young/Draymond/Zaza Pachulia, to players to Poole & Gary Payton Jr. Unlike Bron, he really makes teammates better and fundamental pieces to the team regardless of the level they're at.

And most of all - NO EXCUSES. This team had major injuries earlier in the season and mid season, but weathered the storm. Him, nor his teammates, aren't in ENDLESS trade rumors during those losing slumps unlike every team Lebron is on. Truly fosters a positive work environment.

The Steph Era. Happy to be a part of it.

you dont have to do this. you dont think steph is a better player, and he objectively doesnt have the accomplishments. Why not just be happy for the great performance?

I don't understand. What am I 'doing'??

Curry's journey to winning has been one of the most impressive I've seen. Truly a story of resilience.

Chronic Ankle pain stemming from a crap ton of Injuries

Curry proving that he's a better long term fit than Mont Ellis.

Growing with Klay and Draymond.

Surviving the embarrassment from 2016 to overcoming injuries to teammates.

All with ONE franchise who believed in him and vice versa.

His 4 rings look and feel different than Lebron's.

Russell 1 team
Wilt 3

Wilt has better stats
Russell more championships.

[Goomba3666]

His 4th time winning is alongside a guy that Lebron didn't think was worthy playing with.

Tell me you don't have any clue or have an agenda without telling me so.

Wiggins was traded AS A ROOKIE because LeBron aimed at a championship run in 2014/15 instantly and not 8 years later when Wiggins finally found out how to be an effective basketball player on a winning team.

Doesn't matter. Steph took Bron's throwaway and made him into a champion.

The following guys coincidently 'found out how to be effective players' alongside Curry

-Nick Young
- Zaza
-Barnes
-Mccaw
-Barbosa
-Speights
- Mcgee
-Looney
-Wiggins

Seems like there's a constant here...seems like players are suddenly winners around Curry and nowhere else. Haha.

[Marrrcuss]

His 4th time winning is alongside a guy that Lebron didn't think was worthy playing with.

Tell me you don't have any clue or have an agenda without telling me so.

Wiggins was traded AS A ROOKIE because LeBron aimed at a championship run in 2014/15 instantly and not 8 years later when Wiggins finally found out how to be an effective basketball player on a winning team.

Doesn't matter. Steph took Bron's throwaway and made him into a champion.

The following guys coincidently 'found out how to be effective players' alongside Curry

-Nick Young
- Zaza
-Barnes
-Mccaw
-Barbosa
-Speights
- Mcgee
-Looney
-Wiggins

Seems like there's a constant here...seems like players are suddenly winners around Curry and nowhere else. Haha.

Wiggins guarding a hampered Tatum wasnt the biggest thing about that NBA finals? Or are we just going to say Stephs game 4 overrode everything else?

[Wagonband]

I'm a huge Steph fan, like really huge, but LeBron is definitely a tier above. If both were the same size then Curry would obviously win that comparison, but LeBron can simply do more because of his height and athleticism. There simply isn't any argument otherwise.

[nikster]

4 rings with the SAME franchise in 7 years.

1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

What's unhinged is thinking that is at all a meaningful comparison of their rosters. You thought it made sense to include Kevin Love but didn't think it made sense to include the DPOY who lead the Warriors I'm assists for a majority of their title runs?

[ali1979]

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

Your comment is completeley misleading.

Peak Klay was> Peak Irving

Peak Darymand> Peak Love

Iguodala> Tristan Thompson

So other than Lebron and Steph , GSW roster was > Cavs roster.

GSw fans are underrating Duran, and overrating Kevin Love&Irving to save Curry. Durant is one the top 3 scorers in last 20 years. Any owner would give Irving+Love for Durant.

Irving is not a super star, Love is not a super star. Look at Irving at Boston, Nets, and MAvs who can say he is a superstar? After Lebron left noboby wanted Love' max contract in a trade. Oh owners who max average stars do not want Love at max. How in the world a superstar is not wanted wanted by any team?

Did you watch Love and Irving's matches when Lebron was injured ? Cavs were not able to win against weak teams in the weak east.

Who says superstar to Irving and Love do not know anything about basketball.

Lol. So Klay Thompson was better than Kyrie Irving.

Got it. No point in contending with that.

Lol @ Draymond being better than Kevin Love

VERY surprised you didn't throw in Harrison Barnes> Kyrie. I've seen your ilk do that too.

And I've seen Bron stans use the following interchangeably to label players when it suits their desired purpose:

- Hall of Famers
- All star appearances
- 'Superstars' (this is when I know you're desperate)

What's with all the qualifiers like 'peak' and etc. Wanna give yourself some space to walk back some posts or nah?

Draymond Green
4× NBA All-Star: 2016, 2017, 2018, 2022 ( All with being the third or fourth option in the team)
2× All-NBA selection:
o Second team: 2016
o Third team: 2017
NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 2017
7× NBA All-Defensive selection:
o 4× First team: 2015, 2016, 2017, 2021
o 4× Second team: 2018, 2019, 2022, 2023
NBA steals leader: 2017


Kevin Love
5× NBA All-Star (2011, 2012, 2014, 2017, 2018) ( three of them while in Minnesota when he was the option 1)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2012, 2014)
NBA rebounding leader (2011) ( again in Minnesota while stat padding)

Draymond green is absolutely better player than Love. He is a defensive monster with ability of making assists. His contribution is more than his stats. Love is good, Draymond is better.

[Homer38]

1 Finals MVP vs 4 Finals MVPs.

Steph was carried by Durant for two seasons.

Steph cannot actually beat LeBron when their teams are even.

He could barely handle LeBron in 2015 when Love and Kyrie were injured.

He definitely could not handle LeBron in 2016.

He cannot handle LeBron in 2023.

Steph needs major advantages in order to beat LeBron. He needs LeBron's teammates to be injured or he needs to be with another MVP.

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

What's unhinged is thinking that is at all a meaningful comparison of their rosters. You thought it made sense to include Kevin Love but didn't think it made sense to include the DPOY who lead the Warriors I'm assists for a majority of their title runs?

It's crazy, how the depth of a team can be underrated... First, in the finals in 2016, Love had a concussion and he missed the crucial game 3 and he was not the same after...

Even though he was healthy, Green was a much better player at this time unless you completely ignore the importance of defense.

Also Klay is one of the best shooter of all-time and Iggy was still a great role player in 2016 which is very important

Kyrie was great in game 5 and hit a big shot in game 7 but outside of that he was not that good in this finals.....it's about LBJ who did everything and had a legendary finals and Curry had an awful finals with similar assist to turnovers and he had a much bigger room from error since despite LBJ dominating Curry in that finals like crazy, it was still a very close finals

Some think a lineup stop at 2...The current Lakers team is an example of how much depth in a team is crucial and the Warriors had way more depth than the Cavs in 2016.The warriors won 4 playoffs game without Curry in 2016.The cavs won 4 regular season game between 2015 to 2017 without LBJ!

[nikster]

Lol. People that don't play care waaaay more about Finals MVP than the players.

'Lebron didn't have Kevin Love or Kyrie Irving in 2015'.

Few seconds later...

"Curry needs major advantages". Lol.

Kyrie/Love/Bron vs Steph = Fair

Steph/KD vs Kyrie and Lebron = COMPLETELY unfair.

Completely unhinged.

What's unhinged is thinking that is at all a meaningful comparison of their rosters. You thought it made sense to include Kevin Love but didn't think it made sense to include the DPOY who lead the Warriors I'm assists for a majority of their title runs?

It's crazy, how the depth of a team can be underrated... First, in the finals in 2016, Love had a concussion and he missed the crucial game 3 and he was not the same after...

Even though he was healthy, Green was a much better player at this time unless you completely ignore the importance of defense.

Also Klay is one of the best shooter of all-time and Iggy was still a great role player in 2016 which is very important

Kyrie was great in game 5 and hit a big shot in game 7 but outside of that he was not that good in this finals.....it's about LBJ who did everything and had a legendary finals and Curry had an awful finals with similar assist to turnovers and he had a much bigger room from error since despite LBJ dominating Curry in that finals like crazy, it was still a very close finals

Some think a lineup stop at 2...The current Lakers team is an example of how much depth in a team is crucial and the Warriors had way more depth than the Cavs in 2016.The warriors won 4 playoffs game without Curry in 2016.The cavs won 4 regular season game between 2015 to 2017 without LBJ!

Yeah you can just look at how the Mavs season ended with Kyrie to see the importance of depth and well fitting role players

[Goomba3666]

The good thing about Lebron stans is that they've used the same formula for over a decade:

-crap on his teammates
-bolster the teammates of others
-spit out arbitrary accomplishments from the Eastern Conference
- make excuses why he lost
- makes excuses why other player wins

The bad thing is that they're literally insane and come in droves. Lol @ a Bron stan bumping this thread a year later.

Usually I'd play, but the Klay>>Kyrie in 2016 comment tells me that the stans are FULLY loaded and I haven't had my caffeine yet.

Here's the white flag fellas.

[Marrrcuss]

The good thing about Lebron stans is that they've used the same formula for over a decade:

-crap on his teammates
-bolster the teammates of others
-spit out arbitrary accomplishments from the Eastern Conference
- make excuses why he lost
- makes excuses why other player wins

The bad thing is that they're literally insane and come in droves. Lol @ a Bron stan bumping this thread a year later.

Usually I'd play, but the Klay>>Kyrie in 2016 comment tells me that the stans are FULLY loaded and I haven't had my caffeine yet.

Here's the white flag fellas.

Meanwhile, Poole has been bullied enough to where he is gun shy and just off. Klay and Dray have been murdered since Game 4 and every bad game they have. Kerr is being questioned....But yea, it only happens to LeBron teammates at the hands of his stans.