Celts Build Brick Wall, Put Their Backs Against It! G5 Loss vs PHI 5/9 (PHI leads 3-2)

[DarkAzcura]

I trust Brad when it comes to being able to pick out coaching talent. Brad screwed up in not hiring assistants throughout the season to bolster the bench and help Joe. It sucks what is happening, but almost no coach is going succeed, even experienced ones, when they are handed the keys to the car a day before training camp + losing 3 coaching staff members with essentially no replacements (Ime, Hardy, and Damon).

That’s where Brad screwed up more than anything.

[bigboi]

We need to get rid of Rob Will if he can’t play. We’ve need a center since idk when

[fallguy]

I trust Brad when it comes to being able to pick out coaching talent. Brad screwed up in not hiring assistants throughout the season to bolster the bench and help Joe. It sucks what is happening, but almost no coach is going succeed, even experienced ones, when they are handed the keys to the car a day before training camp + losing 3 coaching staff members with essentially no replacements (Ime, Hardy, and Damon).

That’s where Brad screwed up more than anything.

Extending him was idiotic.

[DarkAzcura]

I trust Brad when it comes to being able to pick out coaching talent. Brad screwed up in not hiring assistants throughout the season to bolster the bench and help Joe. It sucks what is happening, but almost no coach is going succeed, even experienced ones, when they are handed the keys to the car a day before training camp + losing 3 coaching staff members with essentially no replacements (Ime, Hardy, and Damon).

That’s where Brad screwed up more than anything.

Extending him was idiotic.

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

[Bar Fight]

I trust Brad when it comes to being able to pick out coaching talent. Brad screwed up in not hiring assistants throughout the season to bolster the bench and help Joe. It sucks what is happening, but almost no coach is going succeed, even experienced ones, when they are handed the keys to the car a day before training camp + losing 3 coaching staff members with essentially no replacements (Ime, Hardy, and Damon).

That’s where Brad screwed up more than anything.

Extending him was idiotic.

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

This season is still a bust if we lose in the second round after making the Finals last year.

[MagicBagley18]

I trust Brad when it comes to being able to pick out coaching talent. Brad screwed up in not hiring assistants throughout the season to bolster the bench and help Joe. It sucks what is happening, but almost no coach is going succeed, even experienced ones, when they are handed the keys to the car a day before training camp + losing 3 coaching staff members with essentially no replacements (Ime, Hardy, and Damon).

That’s where Brad screwed up more than anything.

Extending him was idiotic.

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

What are the benefits of extending joe without seeing how he handled a playoff run? Joe won a lot of regular season games with a very good team - many coaches could likely do this. This wasn’t a team that would be based on regular season wins. It was always about the postseason.

The Celtics were not going to be able to put a veteran laden staff together in august and I’m sure they will this off-season and it will help joe- but I think it’s TBD whether joe is a “clearly good coaching talent” or if he’s a bum…

the problem is the Celtics are in win now and we shouldn’t have to learn on the job with him. There was literally no reason to extend him in season. If he did great we could have done it after the playoffs.

[DarkAzcura]

Extending him was idiotic.

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

What are the benefits of extending joe without seeing how he handled a playoff run? Joe won a lot of regular season games with a very good team - many coaches could likely do this. This wasn’t a team that would be based on regular season wins. It was always about the postseason.

The Celtics were not going to be able to put a veteran laden staff together in august and I’m sure they will this off-season and it will help joe- but I think it’s TBD whether joe is a “clearly good coaching talent” or if he’s a bum…

the problem is the Celtics are in win now and we shouldn’t have to learn on the job with him. There was literally no reason to extend him in season. If he did great we could have done it after the playoffs.

I don’t think the results of these playoffs would had changed Brad’s mind on Joe. There’s always going to be the ‘excuse’ that Joe took over a crap situation with limited man power on the coaching staff on top of everything. The fans may pin it on Joe, but I’m 95% sure Brad and ownership will not pin this on Joe at all interim coach or not. That’s kind of my point about Brad screwing up in not hiring more assistants. Joe was probably going to get promoted to full time coach even if we lost/lose in the second round like it looks like right now because of all of the above.

I just have a lot of trouble blaming Joe for the current outcome. I blame Stevens, Brown, and Tatum before I blame him.

[MagicBagley18]

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

What are the benefits of extending joe without seeing how he handled a playoff run? Joe won a lot of regular season games with a very good team - many coaches could likely do this. This wasn’t a team that would be based on regular season wins. It was always about the postseason.

The Celtics were not going to be able to put a veteran laden staff together in august and I’m sure they will this off-season and it will help joe- but I think it’s TBD whether joe is a “clearly good coaching talent” or if he’s a bum…

the problem is the Celtics are in win now and we shouldn’t have to learn on the job with him. There was literally no reason to extend him in season. If he did great we could have done it after the playoffs.

I don’t think the results of these playoffs would had changed Brad’s mind on Joe. There’s always going to be the ‘excuse’ that Joe took over a crap situation with limited man power on the coaching staff on top of everything. The fans may pin it on Joe, but I’m 95% sure Brad and ownership will not pin this on Joe at all interim coach or not. That’s kind of my point about Brad screwing up in not hiring more assistants. Joe was probably going to get promoted to full time coach even if we lost/lose in the second round like it looks like right now because of all of the above.

That doesn’t mean Brad and ownership are right though…again what were the negatives of seeing how joe handled the biggest stages of the post season before naming him long term coach?

Just because ownership will bring back joe which I agree with doesn’t mean they are correct in doing so and again there’s no reason that decision had to me made proactively.

[playa-hater]

Oh well, the bright side of losing this series, is this team will be a lot different next season. Joe would be gone, trades coming up. It’s kind of exciting in a way. Sick of all the disappointments and frustrations with this team. Tatum has gone from dunking on lebron’s face his rookie year, to a euro stepping 3pt chucking player with butter fingers. So sad!

People are delusional if they think Joe is going to get fired.

I think the reality is though they're probably just going to run it back. I do think with Brown being in a contract yet he could potentially get traded though

Coaches who actually won a title within the last 3 years have already been fired for a disappointing season/playoffs. Yet Boston, favored most/all season By Vegas and other "experts" fail as bad as ever, yet we can't Fire Joe because we just gave him a contract??

Can't take this franchise serious if they say Winning a title is top Priority.

[MagicBagley18]

Joe won’t be fired they will bring him back with a veteran staff…but that decision shouldn’t have been made until after the season

[playa-hater]

To me this is all about defense….we are the 10th ranked playoff team in defense I believe-if you can’t get stops you can’t get out in transition and run on them.

The offense will come and go but the defense has to always be there and it hasn’t at all. Just a joke really

As soon as I'm ready to blame the offense I see a stat like that one showing us at 10th and I'm ready to blame the defense again. Sad really a case could be made for both and just shows we really aren't playing well on either side in these losses.

It’s hard to pin point because you are absolutely right- the offense looks downright ugly at times but I just always believe if you get stops that’ll get easy baskets which can get guys into rhythm….

Defense?? Offense??? I say it's about making proper adjustments. (More on Defense) Proper adjustments would help the case of both. I saw neither. If either side of the ball plays better, we would have won this series already.

[Hal14]

Extending him was idiotic.

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

This season is still a bust if we lose in the second round after making the Finals last year.

I mean, it looks like the warriors won't get out of the 2nd round either. They're down 3-1 to lakers.

Bucks and suns played in the 2021 nba finals - neither got out of the 2nd round in 2022.

Lakers and heat played in NBA finals in 2020 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2021.

warriors and raptors played in NBA finals in 2019 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2020.

[Bar Fight]

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

This season is still a bust if we lose in the second round after making the Finals last year.

I mean, it looks like the warriors won't get out of the 2nd round either. They're down 3-1 to lakers.

Bucks and suns played in the 2021 nba finals - neither got out of the 2nd round in 2022.

Lakers and heat played in NBA finals in 2020 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2021.

warriors and raptors played in NBA finals in 2019 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2020.

Why should other team's failures make me feel better about ours?

[MagicBagley18]

Extending Joe? I disagree. Again, considering the situation he was handed, he has done incredibly well. No coach is going to do super hot getting the job a day before training camp and losing 3 members of the staff with essentially no replacements. What Joe M did this season is admirable considering the crap situation Ime handed this team. This season was looking to be a bust after losing Hardy and losing Ime in the manner he was lost. Everyone forgets how worried we all were.

Brad screwed up in not hiring more assistants, which will be fixed this summer. Joe is clearly a good coaching talent.

This season is still a bust if we lose in the second round after making the Finals last year.

I mean, it looks like the warriors won't get out of the 2nd round either. They're down 3-1 to lakers.

Bucks and suns played in the 2021 nba finals - neither got out of the 2nd round in 2022.

Lakers and heat played in NBA finals in 2020 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2021.

warriors and raptors played in NBA finals in 2019 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2020.

Lakers bucks and the warriors all have titles recently …the raptors have a title recently . The warriors have 4 with that core. STOPPPP IT lollllll

[fallguy]

What's the evidence Joe is a great coaching talent?

That the Celtics had two months of unsustainably and randomly hot shooting?

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Oh well, the bright side of losing this series, is this team will be a lot different next season. Joe would be gone, trades coming up. It’s kind of exciting in a way. Sick of all the disappointments and frustrations with this team. Tatum has gone from dunking on lebron’s face his rookie year, to a euro stepping 3pt chucking player with butter fingers. So sad!

People are delusional if they think Joe is going to get fired.

I think the reality is though they're probably just going to run it back. I do think with Brown being in a contract yet he could potentially get traded though

Coaches who actually won a title within the last 3 years have already been fired for a disappointing season/playoffs. Yet Boston, favored most/all season By Vegas and other "experts" fail as bad as ever, yet we can't Fire Joe because we just gave him a contract??

Can't take this franchise serious if they say Winning a title is top Priority.

Yes they can't fire Joe because they just gave him a contract that's 100% correct. People don't want to hear it or may not want to accept it but it's a bad look if Boston fires him after 6 months.

[shackles10]

As soon as I'm ready to blame the offense I see a stat like that one showing us at 10th and I'm ready to blame the defense again. Sad really a case could be made for both and just shows we really aren't playing well on either side in these losses.

It’s hard to pin point because you are absolutely right- the offense looks downright ugly at times but I just always believe if you get stops that’ll get easy baskets which can get guys into rhythm….

Defense?? Offense??? I say it's about making proper adjustments. (More on Defense) Proper adjustments would help the case of both. I saw neither. If either side of the ball plays better, we would have won this series already.

I think this is where it all lies. When our offense is good expect the other team to make adjustments and then you have to tweak your offense at least a little too and we didn’t. The defense was good during the 4th of game 4 and they made adjustments and we didn’t adjust our defense. I knew in game was going to be hard for Joe as this season he’s shown resistance to making changes during the game, but I thought we could at least adjust between games. We haven’t and it makes the coaching advantage grow as the series continues. Even against Doc…

[playa-hater]

People are delusional if they think Joe is going to get fired.

I think the reality is though they're probably just going to run it back. I do think with Brown being in a contract yet he could potentially get traded though

Coaches who actually won a title within the last 3 years have already been fired for a disappointing season/playoffs. Yet Boston, favored most/all season By Vegas and other "experts" fail as bad as ever, yet we can't Fire Joe because we just gave him a contract??

Can't take this franchise serious if they say Winning a title is top Priority.

Yes they can't fire Joe because they just gave him a contract that's 100% correct. People don't want to hear it or may not want to accept it but it's a bad look if Boston fires him after 6 months.

so the choice is save some face and money and have more disappointing finishes??

[The_Ghost_of_JB]

Coaches who actually won a title within the last 3 years have already been fired for a disappointing season/playoffs. Yet Boston, favored most/all season By Vegas and other "experts" fail as bad as ever, yet we can't Fire Joe because we just gave him a contract??

Can't take this franchise serious if they say Winning a title is top Priority.

Yes they can't fire Joe because they just gave him a contract that's 100% correct. People don't want to hear it or may not want to accept it but it's a bad look if Boston fires him after 6 months.

so the choice is save some face and money and have more disappointing finishes??

Yeah that's pretty much the reality of the situation. I don't think Joe is a good coach at the moment but this isn't all on him. I don't particularly like his rotations like having Smart in at the end of the games but I truly think those orders are coming from the front office.

Stevens never addressed the bigs situation, and since Williams appears to be hurt again Horford has to play almost the entire game at age 37. Tatum is continually taking the first half off, and Brown is still making the same mistakes he made during his rookie year.


It's just a bad combination of the coach and the players

[Hal14]

This season is still a bust if we lose in the second round after making the Finals last year.

I mean, it looks like the warriors won't get out of the 2nd round either. They're down 3-1 to lakers.

Bucks and suns played in the 2021 nba finals - neither got out of the 2nd round in 2022.

Lakers and heat played in NBA finals in 2020 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2021.

warriors and raptors played in NBA finals in 2019 - neither got out of 2nd round in 2020.

Why should other team's failures make me feel better about ours?

Because it is very rare in the modern NBA to make it out of the 2nd round after going to NBA finals the previous season so maybe it's not a failure?

Is it really a failure for a 2 seed to lose to a 3 seed that has the league MVP? I don't think so.