This is OBVIOUSLY Steph's era- not Lebron's.

[nikster]

His 4th time winning is alongside a guy that Lebron didn't think was worthy playing with.

Tell me you don't have any clue or have an agenda without telling me so.

Wiggins was traded AS A ROOKIE because LeBron aimed at a championship run in 2014/15 instantly and not 8 years later when Wiggins finally found out how to be an effective basketball player on a winning team.

Doesn't matter. Steph took Bron's throwaway and made him into a champion.

The following guys coincidently 'found out how to be effective players' alongside Curry

-Nick Young
- Zaza
-Barnes
-Mccaw
-Barbosa
-Speights
- Mcgee
-Looney
-Wiggins

Seems like there's a constant here...seems like players are suddenly winners around Curry and nowhere else. Haha.

This list is hilarious, what were you trying to prove with some of these? Mccaw played a total of 16 minutes in one of their title runs

[Homer38]

The good thing about Lebron stans is that they've used the same formula for over a decade:

-crap on his teammates
-bolster the teammates of others
-spit out arbitrary accomplishments from the Eastern Conference
- make excuses why he lost
- makes excuses why other player wins

The bad thing is that they're literally insane and come in droves. Lol @ a Bron stan bumping this thread a year later.

Usually I'd play, but the Klay>>Kyrie in 2016 comment tells me that the stans are FULLY loaded and I haven't had my caffeine yet.

Here's the white flag fellas.

Look at the mirror before to attack a another fan base....

[Homer38]

Tell me you don't have any clue or have an agenda without telling me so.

Wiggins was traded AS A ROOKIE because LeBron aimed at a championship run in 2014/15 instantly and not 8 years later when Wiggins finally found out how to be an effective basketball player on a winning team.

Doesn't matter. Steph took Bron's throwaway and made him into a champion.

The following guys coincidently 'found out how to be effective players' alongside Curry

-Nick Young
- Zaza
-Barnes
-Mccaw
-Barbosa
-Speights
- Mcgee
-Looney
-Wiggins

Seems like there's a constant here...seems like players are suddenly winners around Curry and nowhere else. Haha.

This list is hilarious, what were you trying to prove with some of these? Mccaw played a total of 16 minutes in one of their title runs

Mcgee also won a title with LBJ in 2020!

[Godymas]

I was going to make a similar thread to be honest.

Curry is so clearly this era's "Kobe", just for a different generation. More of the underdog mentality type of generation.

Imo the LeBron James era was a bit different. You could say that it started around 2007 and ran to 2014 and wouldn't be too wrong. That's when LeBron won all the MVPs, went back to back in championships, basically that's where LeBron's initial legacy was formed.

The second half of LeBron's era has basically been "can we get lucky during the Steph Curry show"

The Warriors and Curry have been, by far, the most influential team in basketball since probably 2016, you could say 2015, but 2016 was the year where the whole world had to pay attention, it was that ridiculous.

Also if KD never joins the Warriors, it's doubtful that Curry wins MVP in 2017, but what would stop Curry from getting an MVP in 2018 or 2019? He was clearly capable of playing on that level. He would have won an MVP in 2021 if the Warriors were not playing Wiseman from the start. The Warriors with Curry would have been a 60 win team and he would've been the sole reason why in 2021.

I'm just saying, LeBron kind of became the sideshow to the Warriors in the 2nd half of the decade. You'd have to be kidding if you ever truly "believed" the LeBron Cavs were going to beat the KD Warriors. Especially considering the 2017 Cavs was EASILY the best Cavs team LeBron had and it got absolutely obliterated by the KD Warriors.

At this point LeBron is clinging toward his own relevancy in some ways. Yes he is still a face of the league, but it's been a tumultuous last few years for LeBron. It started on a good note with the bubble Ring, but it's been struggle after struggle and this year he might have a chance to make some noise.

If Curry comes back and beats LeBron, imo, this seal's LeBron's legacy as always being bested by Curry, as someone that had a worthy adversary that could control him and take him out of contention. To me, no GOAT would ever have had someone they just could never beat in their best years. Basically Curry is one of the factors, a long with the 2011 finals, that makes me park LeBron firmly at #2 all time.

[Pennebaker]

LeBron is universally accepted as one of the top 2 players of all time while Steph is not even in the top 10.

[Dmagic]

curry proves that people are tweaking by putting lebron at number 2. they are both fringe top ten and can go up or down..wilt took down the most unbeatable team in sports history the Boston Celtics.. the warriors are probably number 3 all time dynasty so I see the resemblance but bills Celtics were a different monsster

[One Last Shot]

curry proves that people are tweaking by putting lebron at number 2. they are both fringe top ten and can go up or down..wilt took down the most unbeatable team in sports history the Boston Celtics.. the warriors are probably number 3 all time dynasty so I see the resemblance but bills Celtics were a different monsster

Regardless of your stance on LeBron, the reality is that he belongs firmly inside anyone's top five list.

[VanWest82]

Spoiler:

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Casuals finding out about plus minus is the worst thing to ever happen to NBA discourse.

It's not even close to how certain stanbases constantly crap on the teammates of their guy, and talk out of both sides of their mouths about things like plus/minus when it suits them and then switch to arbitrary eye test stuff like GoAt tiEr DeFEnSe when it doesn't.

[DonaldSanders]

Peak Klay was> Peak Irving

!!

Have you ever actually looked up Klay's stats. Here you go:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

Career playoff BPM 0.5, (5x All-Star)

Kyrie 4.0 (8x All-star)

I normally wouldn't use BPM to compare, but the gap between the two is so large it's really hard to argue with. Klay has gotten a massive boost in the eyes of other thanks to Steph.

[Marrrcuss]

Peak Klay was> Peak Irving

!!

Have you ever actually looked up Klay's stats. Here you go:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html

Career playoff BPM 0.5, (5x All-Star)

Kyrie 4.0 (8x All-star)

I normally wouldn't use BPM to compare, but the gap between the two is so large it's really hard to argue with. Klay has gotten a massive boost in the eyes of other thanks to Steph.

Prime Klay also took Stephs point guard matchup. I have the utmost respect for him as a two way player.

[DonaldSanders]

Prime Klay also took Stephs point guard matchup. I have the utmost respect for him as a two way player.

Great player but Peak Kyrie is clearly > Peak Klay. Look at the stats.

[thebigbird]

curry proves that people are tweaking by putting lebron at number 2. they are both fringe top ten and can go up or down..wilt took down the most unbeatable team in sports history the Boston Celtics.. the warriors are probably number 3 all time dynasty so I see the resemblance but bills Celtics were a different monsster

Regardless of your stance on LeBron, the reality is that he belongs firmly inside anyone's top five list.

The all-time leading regular season and playoff scorer with 4 FMVPs, 4 MVPs, and 19 all-nba selections is a fringe top 10 player lmfao. LeBron hate is an illness.

[Taj FTW]

Prime Klay also took Stephs point guard matchup. I have the utmost respect for him as a two way player.

Great player but Peak Kyrie is clearly > Peak Klay. Look at the stats.

Defense and availability are things in basketball

[DonaldSanders]

Defense and availability are things in basketball

Ya'll are too afraid to seriously look at Klay's stats. We're arguing peaks here anyway, Kyrie easily surpasses Klay.

[Taj FTW]

Defense and availability are things in basketball

Ya'll are too afraid to seriously look at Klay's stats. We're arguing peaks here anyway, Kyrie easily surpasses Klay.

Peak Kyrie is injury prone, a diva, and doesn't play defense. No GM is taking him over Prime Klay

[durden_tyler]

At the end of the day, Steph is the reason why LeBron has lesser number of titles, and the latter "stole" that from Curry he'd be the unquestioned GOAT. But because Steph has dominated this match-up, he settles for #2. Michael Jordan should send Steph flowers.

[triple_threat]

At the end of the day, Steph is the reason why LeBron has lesser number of titles, and the latter "stole" that from Curry he'd be the unquestioned GOAT. But because Steph has dominated this match-up, he settles for #2. Michael Jordan should send Steph flowers.

I disagree here. In 2015 lebron had more fmvp votes that’s Curry. Irving and love both going down combined with delladova having to play major minutes is more attributable to that loss. 2016 lebron had currys number. We all know who led 2017 2018 finals and it wasn’t curry.

In short, Durant and a cap spike has more to do with free titles.

[og15]

Defense and availability are things in basketball

Ya'll are too afraid to seriously look at Klay's stats. We're arguing peaks here anyway, Kyrie easily surpasses Klay.

Peak Kyrie is injury prone, a diva, and doesn't play defense. No GM is taking him over Prime Klay

Many GM'S are depending on roster

[buzzkilloton]

LBJs at a career 50% rate of making the finals through every season of his career. Hes the favorite to make it again this year. The past 20 years are his era and hes the GOAT.

[Dmagic]

curry proves that people are tweaking by putting lebron at number 2. they are both fringe top ten and can go up or down..wilt took down the most unbeatable team in sports history the Boston Celtics.. the warriors are probably number 3 all time dynasty so I see the resemblance but bills Celtics were a different monsster

Regardless of your stance on LeBron, the reality is that he belongs firmly inside anyone's top five list.

NO.. HIS mental weakness . politics. and quest for rings which was way easier than everybody else's. hurts his legacy. you cant put him ahead of doc j let alone a guy like bird