Summer 2023 Trade Thread

[Village Idiot]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

I have a strong suspicion that Siakam has an overly large ego and has been a strong contributor to the toxic locker room in Toronto and tuning out of Nick Nurse.

For Simons, #23 and change he's worth the risk but anything more than that I'm not interested. He's not that good.

[Norm2953]

Dame has been a pro since 2012 and asking him to change his game at this point of his career seems
pointless unless he's in a situation where his team has a real chance at a title. Put him in Milwaukee
for example, he'd bend over backwards to fit in with Giannis.

Simons is by no means the answer either but in a situation where he has another player to help him
initiate offense, might be fine. Dame had that situation in 2014 when he had Nic and Wesley Matthews.

It'll be interesting to see how many of these guys workout in Portland. I want to see where the
Thompson twins, Anthony Black, Walker and Hendricks fit on the Blazer board. This assumes Portland
ends up picking 4-6. Would either of the Thompson twins be able to fill the Nic Batum role in
Portland that has been unfilled since Portland traded Nic?

If Portland has a top 3 pick, perhaps Scoot and Miler will workout in Portland. I'm not sure either of
these guys would make so much difference for Scoot added to Dame, Ant and Sharpe are just too
many guards on the scene. Who is the rebounder in Portland if they draft Miller to team with
Grant?

[DusterBuster]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

I have a strong suspicion that Siakam has an overly large ego and has been a strong contributor to the toxic locker room in Toronto and tuning out of Nick Nurse.

For Simons, #23 and change he's worth the risk but anything more than that I'm not interested. He's not that good.

Is there any evidence of that?

[Village Idiot]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

I have a strong suspicion that Siakam has an overly large ego and has been a strong contributor to the toxic locker room in Toronto and tuning out of Nick Nurse.

For Simons, #23 and change he's worth the risk but anything more than that I'm not interested. He's not that good.

Is there any evidence of that?

Only indicative as far as I know. FVV seems to be getting all the blame from Raptors fans but I doubt things are that simple. One guy tuning out a coach and publicly criticizing Barnes (albeit indirectly) would not be justification for firing an accomplished and highly regarded head coach in Nurse or for the Raptors inability to play coherently as a team. Siakam was the other veteran on that squad and plays the same position as Barnes. Where there's smoke.......

[GEE]

Look... I think Siakam is a great individual talent on the BBall court, but that's about it. Unless he's going to play Center for us, I just don't feel like he's THE GUY. I again applaude the use of an overpay to get who you think is THE GUY, but feel Simons is being included unneccessarily. An FRP for a guy that can walk is good value IMO for Toronto. No need to include more.

The salary I'd be looking to move is Nurkic, and it baffles me that there aren't more attempts to do so. You really like Siakam and think he's our answer at the 4... fine... then use Nurkic to get him and add future picks to sweeten the deal. If we want to win now, I'm perfectly willing to trade all our picks for the next 3 years, to build next years roster, but I feel like a decision between signing Grant, OR signing Pascal might be made. One or the other, but I doubt we can sign both. Grant & Siakam together... Is that what we want? Seems redundant to me. Eubanks at Center?

[zzaj]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

What if 19/6/4 for 40M/per brought the Blazers to the WCF?

[Norm2953]

Lets say the offer was 5,23 plus Ant and Nurk for Siakum and 11

would that be a good trade?

[BlazersBroncos]

Lets say the offer was 5,23 plus Ant and Nurk for Siakum and 11

would that be a good trade?

I think you do that - getting 11 really balances it IMO.

I dont think TOR would take on Nurkic in any deal though - they just paid a FRP for Jakob and he was pretty excellent once in TOR, and by all accounts resigning him is basically done. They wont accept Nurkic as a 18M AV backup C.

There are like 2-3 teams in the NBA that would look at Nurkic as a upgrade at C - Dallas being the most obvious, but they have little incentive to add (#10 is too much, Josh Green and Hardy somewhat redundant w/ our roster construction, no other assets really).

Something simple, if ATL wants to cut salary, would be -

PDX OUT - Nurkic, Little, 23
PDX IN - Collins, 15

ATL OUT - Collins, 15
ATL IN - Bertans, Little, 23

DAL OUT - Bertans
DAL IN - Nurkic

Still totally in on buying low for John Collins. Moving up to 15 could open a Myles Turner move IMO - something like -

PDX OUT - Simons, 15
PDX IN - Turner, 26, 29

ORL OUT - Harris, 11
ORL IN - Simons

IND OUT - Turner, 26, 29
IND IN - Harris, 11, 15

Then flip 26 to regain our pick from CHI - we still have #5, #29, #43 and a roster that looks much improved (Albeit I see issues w/ 2nd unit shooting + starting unit creation) -

G - Damian Lillard / Keon Johnson
G - Matisse Thybulle / Shadeon Sharpe
F - Jerami Grant / Anthony Black (5)
F - John Collins / Justice Winslow
C - Myles Turner / Drew Eubanks

[m0ng0]

Simons gets you that if you flip the assists and rebounds 19/6/4

[zzaj]

Lets say the offer was 5,23 plus Ant and Nurk for Siakum and 11

would that be a good trade?

"good"...

It's a nope from me. Not when you consider Siakam's contract situation. The whole thing could very well end up turning out to be giving #5, #23, and Ant for #11...and the chance to get out of Nurk's marginal contract, I guess.

I also don't value #11 that much, especially if the Blazers lose #5.

[Case2012]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

What if 19/6/4 for 40M/per brought the Blazers to the WCF?

It couldn’t get them to the playoffs on a better team.

[zzaj]

For anyone that bets on DK, Siakam is insanely inconsistent and unpredictable. I wouldn’t want 19 6 and 4 for 40 million a year.

What if 19/6/4 for 40M/per brought the Blazers to the WCF?

It couldn’t get them to the playoffs on a better team.

That aside, what if it did with the Blazers? I'm asking earnestly here...

Is that production (or any production, really) worth it at 40M/year?

[Case2012]

I don't think so. I would rather target Brown or throw everyone we have at Giannis. I don't think either are that unrealistic if we get the first pick, which I'm completely open to trading.

[DaVoiceMaster]

Would Dallas take Nurkic for a S&T Woods or Powell?

[The Sebastian Express]

/glances over towards Philly again.

[Norm2953]

There have got to be some soul searching in Phoenix for they gave up a ton of draft picks/ players
to get KD and are about to lose to the Nuggets.

Something to think about with these win now moves for if it fails, it will cripple the franchise.

[Case2012]

What kind of package returns embiid? Sharpe, the number 1 pick, Simons? That's seems fair. But dealing with Morey, he'd probably want 4 additional firsts.

[GEE]

Ring-Ring DALLAS?

I was just seeing Woods being mentioned as a F/A this summer, and I'm very quickly warming to the idea of bringing him in, to pair with Eubanks for minutes at the C. We'd be a super fast, small-ball team always, but considering how small many other teams are going right now, with the right style, starting 5 and smart player rotations by Chauncey........... IDK.

What if we at the very least just called Dallas? I'd simply ask them if they had ANY interest in Nurkic, and see what they say. Looking at their current roster, I actually think they might. I think I would ultimately try to S&T Woods at the same salary as Nurkic, but on a 2+1. Could that be done, and does anyone else think he could be THE GUY? Definetely maybe, I think.

Winslow again is the obvious X factor here, and the small-ball style of course. Just spit-ballin' mostly but: Woods / Winslow / Grant / Sharpe / Dame looks really fun to me, and Eubanks / Watford / Little / Thybulle / Simons 6-10 also looks really strong to me, just kinda small. But what if we make up for it in: Style of play?

I had thought of this a couple pages back DVM. So to answer your question... YES. Like I had mentioned above, I think Dallas would have a big interest in Nurkic. A Woods S&T for Nurkic money, on a 2+1 deal could be a nice low risk, high reward move. I like this as a 2nd or 3rd move us this summer. Nurkic needs to go, and if I'm not mistaken, I think this move would save us a year's worth of Nurkic's salary.

FWIW, I feel about equal towards Woods, as I do for Collins (either Collins now that I think about it). Point is, we need help bad down low and I think Cronin will get it, but again... I have no idea how. Hope it's better than I can imagine.

[The Sebastian Express]

What kind of package returns embiid? Sharpe, the number 1 pick, Simons? That's seems fair. But dealing with Morey, he'd probably want 4 additional firsts.

Because of Embiid's history of knee injuries, I wouldn't trade the first pick for him.

I would do Sharpe + Simons + any other lotto pick + countless unprotected picks and swaps.

[GEE]

Trading Simons, Sharpe and Wemby for any one player would not be smart, which is putting it lightly. Though not totally the same, I see trading those three like trading away a young Steph, Klay and Draymond... which turned out to be a Dynasty. Fun to think about pairing Dame with MVPs that want to come to Stumptown, but ya'll can't be serious.