Bud Appreciation Thread

[RiotPunch]

It's nice that you had the opportunity to get all of that into the appreciation thread.

Looking like I might be the only one in Milwaukee who really appreciated what Bud did to change the culture and build a winner. Everyone else in varying modes of anger or depression that we didn't become the 2014-2018 Warriors or 2011-2014 Heat.

I just wish I had social media and these new standards to hold that bum Don Nelson accountable back in the 1980's.

His biggest downfall was not hiring a high-level assistant after Jenkins and Ham left. I know he wanted the opportunity for Lee, but he NEEDED another coach to challenge his ideals, help him game manage, etc. Instead, he unraveled without that support.

He will get a new gig quickly if he wants it. Cheers, Bud.

[MickeyDavis]

It's nice that you had the opportunity to get all of that into the appreciation thread.

Yeah no ****. Time for some to move on already. There's only so many ways you can say the same **** over and over. And over and over. Taking a break from here for awhile would do everyone a favor.

[VooDoo7]

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A class act to the end.

Yeah, very classy. This is the first time one of my teams has fired a coach and I’ve been sad about it. Always gonna have a soft spot for Bud.

I agree. I'm usually happy when a coach is let go. With Bud, I'm bummed. Big time. I agree with the decision, but this one hurt.

I was fortunate to get the opportunity to sit in on a few practices during his tenure here. After one of them I actually chatted with him for a good 10 minutes. And it wasn't even about bball. Just a super, super guy. Everybody loved him.

[BroncoBuck]

It's nice that you had the opportunity to get all of that into the appreciation thread.

Looking like I might be the only one in Milwaukee who really appreciated what Bud did to change the culture and build a winner. Everyone else in varying modes of anger or depression that we didn't become the 2014-2018 Warriors or 2011-2014 Heat.

I just wish I had social media and these new standards to hold that bum Don Nelson accountable back in the 1980's.

40 year old Jason Terry played 20 minutes in the final game of his career…a first round series deciding game 7 for the Bucks…after being a DNP in all the games they won that series.

Bud’s impact is massively underrated right now.

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[ReasonablySober]

What a dude. Extremely grateful for what he did for the Bucks.

[MissKhriddleton]

It’s possible the team actually overachieved with Bud rather than underachieved. Choked as a 1 seed sure, but maybe this core never actually had 1 seed talent to begin with. One championship in five years when the best running mate we gave Giannis was Khris Middleton is not that ridiculous.

[Jez2983]

It's nice that you had the opportunity to get all of that into the appreciation thread.

Looking like I might be the only one in Milwaukee who really appreciated what Bud did to change the culture and build a winner. Everyone else in varying modes of anger or depression that we didn't become the 2014-2018 Warriors or 2011-2014 Heat.

I just wish I had social media and these new standards to hold that bum Don Nelson accountable back in the 1980's.

There are dozens of us! Dozens!
The best coach of my lifetime easily.

Saying "Fire Bud and get a better coach" is the easy part. It's the doing that is up in the air.

He was a brilliant coach. He remains one of the best in the NBA, and will likely win wherever he goes next.

As I said somewhere earlier, when the dust settles he's not paying for things in Milwaukee for the rest of his life.

[humanrefutation]

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[midranger]

The maturity and professionalism he brought to the franchise was apparent from the jump. Upon reflection, my best guess is we had a bit of a mismatch in philosophy and personnel which made the results quite high in variance. But ultimately, we reached the peak with Bud as coach, for which we will all be forever grateful. I have no doubt he’ll have success at his next stop.

[aboveAverage]

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A class act to the end.

Yeah, very classy. This is the first time one of my teams has fired a coach and I’ve been sad about it. Always gonna have a soft spot for Bud.

What an amazing and heartfelt goodbye message. I really feel sad about the entire situation. I wish there was a way he could stay with the organization but not coach the team day-to-day. Bud is a Buck for life in our hearts and memories. I will be forever grateful for his leadership during his time here in Milwaukee.

[midranger]

Only half way through it (it’s long), but I think the latest Gyro Step pod has done a good job (thus far) of encapsulating the general give/take of the board’s feelings right now.

In historic terms, Bud was amazingly good for this team and overall in this sport, caveat, in the regular season. Produced likely the greatest 5 year run in franchise history. Will be hard to upgrade from, and many things could go completely sideways when trying. Coached elite regular season defense.

Also acknowledged multiple warts in translating regular season success to post season, primarily on the offensive side of the ball, but also some defensive. Much of this is obvious criticism, which makes it almost exasperating after 5 years for those of us who feel the same. Namely, 1. the egalitarian “an open shot by anyone is as good as an open shot by everyone” offense. Sorry. I’d rather win or lose with our stars than Joe Ingles, Jevon Carter, and/or Grayson Allen taking early shots. Every other team puts the ball in their best players’ hands. We almost go out if our way to overshare. 2. The transition/possession based “mathematics” offense simply doesn’t translate well to small sample size series as well as 82 game samples. Defenses tighten up and limit transition opportunities. Halfcourt offense becomes more important. Go cold for 3 games and you lose the series. If you are unwilling to pivot from 3 point variance, you’re a 50/50 proposition to win any series. 3. We’re completely unwilling to hunt mismatches and play weak links off the floor. Again, literally every other team does this in the playoffs. 4. We have nothing as simple as a pick and roll to fall back on in the 4th quarter when it really tightens up. Even when successful (Khris/Giannis in 2021 and Giannis/Brook in Miami series for a half) we immediately and almost purposefully get away from it.

Some discussion of having no real PG and lower bball IQ players overall exacerbating the situation offensively (philosophy vs personnel mismatch I’ve mentioned). Some talk of defensive scheme versatility/variability.

Overall, through ~45 minutes, I feel like it’s been largely on point.

[MVP2110]

So I went back and checked. There has never been a team who won multiple titles without atleast 2 HOF players on the roster. As much as I love Jrue, Khris, etc. They aren't HOF level guys. Bud got canned for not being able to do something truly historic.

[emunney]

So I went back and checked. There has never been a team who won multiple titles without atleast 2 HOF players on the roster. As much as I love Jrue, Khris, etc. They aren't HOF level guys. Bud got canned for not being able to do something truly historic.

Not denying this but I think the causality here is ambiguous.

[midranger]

So I went back and checked. There has never been a team who won multiple titles without atleast 2 HOF players on the roster. As much as I love Jrue, Khris, etc. They aren't HOF level guys. Bud got canned for not being able to do something truly historic.

Not denying this but I think the causality here is ambiguous.

Bingo.

Bud coached the Spurs Duncan/Manu/Parker team that won two championships after Robinson (even the second one they won with DRob, he was a shell of a HOF player) and before Kawhi.

Manu and Parker may make the HOF, but if we’re objectively judging, their main credentials for the HOF was winning multiple championships.

Similarly, if the Bucks close out Toronto in 2019, and beat the injury ridden GS Warriors and don’t completely flame out this year, we’re talking about Middleton as a HOF player as well.

[averageposter]

The loss as a the overall 1 seed to a play in 8 seed was also historic, generated a little national buzz as perhaps one of if not the worst upset all time fair in context or not, so there is that. Probably weighed a little heavier on the reasons scale than not winning multiple championships

[MVP2110]

So I went back and checked. There has never been a team who won multiple titles without atleast 2 HOF players on the roster. As much as I love Jrue, Khris, etc. They aren't HOF level guys. Bud got canned for not being able to do something truly historic.

Not denying this but I think the causality here is ambiguous.

Bingo.

Bud coached the Spurs Duncan/Manu/Parker team that won two championships after Robinson (even the second one they won with DRob, he was a shell of a HOF player) and before Kawhi.

Manu and Parker may make the HOF, but if we’re objectively judging, their main credentials for the HOF was winning multiple championships.

Similarly, if the Bucks close out Toronto in 2019, and beat the injury ridden GS Warriors and don’t completely flame out this year, we’re talking about Middleton as a HOF player as well.

You can make that case about Manu but Parker was a 6x All Star, 3x All NBA 2nd team, 1x All NBA 3rd team, and a Finals MVP. He most likely gets in regardless

[midranger]

Not denying this but I think the causality here is ambiguous.

Bingo.

Bud coached the Spurs Duncan/Manu/Parker team that won two championships after Robinson (even the second one they won with DRob, he was a shell of a HOF player) and before Kawhi.

Manu and Parker may make the HOF, but if we’re objectively judging, their main credentials for the HOF was winning multiple championships.

Similarly, if the Bucks close out Toronto in 2019, and beat the injury ridden GS Warriors and don’t completely flame out this year, we’re talking about Middleton as a HOF player as well.

You can make that case about Manu but Parker was a 6x All Star, 3x All NBA 2nd team, 1x All NBA 1st team, and a Finals MVP. He most likely gets in regardless

Parker was a very good player no doubt, but his main credential for all nba was also being on a winning team.

Do we really think he was ever the best PG in the nba?

[FrieAaron]

Manu is an easier lock for the HOF than Parker.

[midranger]

But of a chicken vs egg argument here.

But winning multiple championships as one of the best few guys puts you in a great position to be a HOF player.

Klay Thompson has entered the chat.

[emunney]

Bingo.

Bud coached the Spurs Duncan/Manu/Parker team that won two championships after Robinson (even the second one they won with DRob, he was a shell of a HOF player) and before Kawhi.

Manu and Parker may make the HOF, but if we’re objectively judging, their main credentials for the HOF was winning multiple championships.

Similarly, if the Bucks close out Toronto in 2019, and beat the injury ridden GS Warriors and don’t completely flame out this year, we’re talking about Middleton as a HOF player as well.

You can make that case about Manu but Parker was a 6x All Star, 3x All NBA 2nd team, 1x All NBA 1st team, and a Finals MVP. He most likely gets in regardless

Parker was a very good player no doubt, but his main credential for all nba was also being on a winning team.

Do we really think he was ever the best PG in the nba?

Also, just a note that he was never 1st team All NBA. 2nd team 3x, 3rd team 1x.