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Post#641 » by Saberestar » Thu May 11, 2023 6:27 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:KD has been an abject disaster in this series and we are wasting Book being literally the greatest player of all time as a result. He better play well in game 6 and 7 or drag us to a title next year or MY GOD, WHAT A BAD TRADE

I understand the frustration after a loss in the playoffs but there is no need to go that far with hyperboles saying that KD "has been an abject disaster" lol. Come on.


Glad to see you are personally a fan of a guy starting every game 1-8 with 3 or 4 live ball turnovers to get us in a deep hole while pouting and complaining and missing defensive rotations.

He has been a DISASTER. He has hurt us as much as any player in this series. He cannot shoot a crazy high volume while making 30% of his shots and turning it over left and right. His overall decision-making has just SUCKED. He is taking incredibly contested quick long 2s with 14 seconds left on the clock on repeat, not making them, falling down, then lolligaging back down the court while complaining to the ref and giving up open 3s.

Book has saved his ass all series. He has had literally 1 good game, but Book's greatness and lazy fans looking at raw box score numbers have hidden it. He is most responsible for the predicament we are in right now and he needs to look in the mirror and grow up. His shot selection and turnovers have cost us this series.

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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#642 » by AtheJ415 » Thu May 11, 2023 8:29 am

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Saberestar wrote:I understand the frustration after a loss in the playoffs but there is no need to go that far with hyperboles saying that KD "has been an abject disaster" lol. Come on.


Glad to see you are personally a fan of a guy starting every game 1-8 with 3 or 4 live ball turnovers to get us in a deep hole while pouting and complaining and missing defensive rotations.

He has been a DISASTER. He has hurt us as much as any player in this series. He cannot shoot a crazy high volume while making 30% of his shots and turning it over left and right. His overall decision-making has just SUCKED. He is taking incredibly contested quick long 2s with 14 seconds left on the clock on repeat, not making them, falling down, then lolligaging back down the court while complaining to the ref and giving up open 3s.

Book has saved his ass all series. He has had literally 1 good game, but Book's greatness and lazy fans looking at raw box score numbers have hidden it. He is most responsible for the predicament we are in right now and he needs to look in the mirror and grow up. His shot selection and turnovers have cost us this series.

Mike Malone would laugh really hard reading this comment.


He draws attention but he has been a complete **** disaster in this series and if you disagree you frankly just don't understand actual basketball. He is playing like a 60 level my player who demands the ball and chucks. If we're going back to volume metrics we might as well bring back Marquis Chriss and Brandon Knight.
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Post#643 » by AtheJ415 » Thu May 11, 2023 8:31 am

WeekapaugGroove wrote:It's funny I don't feel like KD has been his best this postseason but he's currently 5th overall in this metric. Kind of a testiment to how good the dude is when that's considered disappointing.

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If you removed the Clippers series, where he was markedly better than he has been in the Nuggets series, it would show a very different story. He was great / usual KD against the Clippers. Against the Nuggets he has been awful aside from Game 4.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#644 » by Saberestar » Thu May 11, 2023 9:04 am

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Glad to see you are personally a fan of a guy starting every game 1-8 with 3 or 4 live ball turnovers to get us in a deep hole while pouting and complaining and missing defensive rotations.

He has been a DISASTER. He has hurt us as much as any player in this series. He cannot shoot a crazy high volume while making 30% of his shots and turning it over left and right. His overall decision-making has just SUCKED. He is taking incredibly contested quick long 2s with 14 seconds left on the clock on repeat, not making them, falling down, then lolligaging back down the court while complaining to the ref and giving up open 3s.

Book has saved his ass all series. He has had literally 1 good game, but Book's greatness and lazy fans looking at raw box score numbers have hidden it. He is most responsible for the predicament we are in right now and he needs to look in the mirror and grow up. His shot selection and turnovers have cost us this series.

Mike Malone would laugh really hard reading this comment.


He draws attention but he has been a complete **** disaster in this series and if you disagree you frankly just don't understand actual basketball. He is playing like a 60 level my player who demands the ball and chucks. If we're going back to volume metrics we might as well bring back Marquis Chriss and Brandon Knight.

Yeah, it has to be that. Thanks for enlightening me.
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#645 » by AtheJ415 » Thu May 11, 2023 10:20 am

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Saberestar wrote:Mike Malone would laugh really hard reading this comment.


He draws attention but he has been a complete **** disaster in this series and if you disagree you frankly just don't understand actual basketball. He is playing like a 60 level my player who demands the ball and chucks. If we're going back to volume metrics we might as well bring back Marquis Chriss and Brandon Knight.

Yeah, it has to be that. Thanks for enlightening me.


His shot selection has been inexcusable and quite frankly offensive to the game of basketball. He has more turnovers than basically our entire team combined.

He shot 38%, 37% and 41% in 3 of the games this series. On very high volume. Those are Monte Ellis numbers and we have only gotten away with it because Booker is shooting like the literal GOAT.

He is passing poorly and turning it over a ton. He had 1 assist in game 1 and 3 in game 2. He has had more than 5 turnovers 3 times in this series.

The only thing he has done consistently well and well overall in this series is block shots. He puts forth effort when we have a set defense but not in transition.

And his shot selection is so ungodly terrible right now it has me screaming at my TV for the first time in my history of watching the Suns. When he drives without turning it over he is effective, but he repeatedly gets the ball to the spot he wants and just turns and fires over somebody an inch away with no separation, with 12+ seconds on the clock, and in long 2 range. I have seen a ton of Kevin Durant in his career going back to his college year at Texas and he has never been this bad a decisionmaker. If you don't agree, flat out, you don't know basketball. I expect him to play better. Everybody should. He is SINKING THIS ENTIRE SERIES right now.

The only people you could even argue are as responsible for our predicament as KD are Ayton and Monty.
And even George Karl in every presser has been thrilled with how they have guarded KD and lamented how they have guarded Book, who is facing largely similar coverage. Aaron Gordon and even Christian Braun at times are handing KD his ass when we are on offense.
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Post#646 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 11, 2023 5:12 pm

Below average efficiency on high volume won't cut it in the playoffs. That and the turnovers are killers. The free throws help as well as reb/ast, but even getting to the line quite a bit and hitting a high %, he still has a TS% of 55% which is below average, and if you remove free throws, his efg% is 48% which is pretty bad.

I think we'd be doing better in this series had we not made the trade (I know...shocker!) because our chemistry was better, but Mikal and Cam were both efficient scorers and Ayton had far better chemistry with the group then as well.

He needs to step up, and hopefully Book bounces back.
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Post#647 » by spanishninja » Thu May 11, 2023 5:33 pm

bwgood77 wrote:Below average efficiency on high volume won't cut it in the playoffs. That and the turnovers are killers. The free throws help as well as reb/ast, but even getting to the line quite a bit and hitting a high %, he still has a TS% of 55% which is below average, and if you remove free throws, his efg% is 48% which is pretty bad.

I think we'd be doing better in this series had we not made the trade (I know...shocker!) because our chemistry was better, but Mikal and Cam were both efficient scorers and Ayton had far better chemistry with the group then as well.

He needs to step up, and hopefully Book bounces back.


that depends. what would have happened if they hard trap Booker?
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Post#648 » by bwgood77 » Thu May 11, 2023 5:41 pm

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bwgood77 wrote:Below average efficiency on high volume won't cut it in the playoffs. That and the turnovers are killers. The free throws help as well as reb/ast, but even getting to the line quite a bit and hitting a high %, he still has a TS% of 55% which is below average, and if you remove free throws, his efg% is 48% which is pretty bad.

I think we'd be doing better in this series had we not made the trade (I know...shocker!) because our chemistry was better, but Mikal and Cam were both efficient scorers and Ayton had far better chemistry with the group then as well.

He needs to step up, and hopefully Book bounces back.


that depends. what would have happened if they hard trap Booker?


He's gotten better at passing out of those. But they could hard trap him now anyway. It's not like they usually would leave Cam or Bridges open.
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Post#649 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu May 11, 2023 5:43 pm

I’m not sure we make it out the first round without KD. His presence on the floor has taken Book to another level. Pretty confident Denver would have finished us in 4 or 5.. especially the way DA has been playing. KD’s rebounding has been huge for us.


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Post#650 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu May 11, 2023 5:58 pm

He's definitely forcing some things because other than Booker no one else can be counted on to score. He's also been their best defensive player.

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Post#651 » by spanishninja » Thu May 11, 2023 6:40 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:I’m not sure we make it out the first round without KD. His presence on the floor has taken Book to another level. Pretty confident Denver would have finished us in 4 or 5.. especially the way DA has been playing. KD’s rebounding has been huge for us.


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and at the end of the day, KD is a 7 footer basically, neither Mikal nor Cam could say the same.
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Post#652 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:53 am

Y'all still holding on to your position that we're contenders or nah?
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Post#653 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:54 am

Tatum43 wrote:Can’t believe some of y’all hate this trade. It’s Kevin Durant :o
What are your thoughts now?
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Re: KD to the Suns 

Post#654 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:55 am

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sunstrooper wrote:I am truly heartbroken and on the verge of giving up on this team for the first time since I became a fan in '92.
The biggest strength of this team was the chemistry, the joy from playing basketball and the joy from playing with each other and Mikal and Cam were the core guys who brought this attitude and chemistry. An they were traded for what?!?! For a guy, who I actually like, but who is hurt 80% of the time in TJ, and *** KD - a former "star", now a whining diva who cares only for himself (who btw also spends more time in street clothes than on the court). I give it a month before everyone on the team starts caring only for himself and his stats and we will see an epic fail in the playoffs.

You guys absolutely got better for this season. But management did trade away pretty much the only likeable players that were on the team
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Post#655 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:55 am

melocuse15 wrote:Losing Bridges hurts, but if you want a top 5 player in the NBA you need to pony up. The way I look at it, the Suns weren’t winning a championship with the current cast of players- last years playoff exit proved that. This trade makes them immediate contenders. The FO is all-in now.

“So it’s gonna be forever, or it’s gonna to down in flames”
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Post#656 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:56 am

Tha King wrote:Nets fan here

I know you're taking somewhat of a chance trading far out picks for KD at this stage in his career but this is Kevin Durant - 30ppg on nearly 70% TS with great defense even at this point in his career. He gives you a legit chance to win a championship this season and the next couple years.
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Post#657 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:56 am

Paradise wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:We HUGELY overpaid and have gutted the team's present and future for a 35 year old with questionable health who is injured right now.

Ishbia sure has made a splash all right. If this isn't "all in" mode,.I don't known what is.

I hate this transaction so very much and it would have been better had thry taken Ayton instead of Bridges.

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KD’s always been healthy but he has freak injuries. Guys running into his leg, ankle and players falling on top of him. He’s been pretty durable outside of that and the COVID situation.

The last two injuries were nearly identical with someone falling on him. Not sure how he can prevent that.

Trust me, Suns fans will love this when they see how elite his defense, passing and mid range scoring is. He’s going to clean up Ayton’s lack of interior D. He helped turn Claxton into a better defender.
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Post#658 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:57 am

Saberestar wrote:I love the trade.

I voted B in the poll because we gave up too many unprotected picks. One less would have been nice...
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Post#659 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:58 am

handsome salary wrote:This makes Booker, Ayton and CP3 much more dangerous while adding a top five player. It's an A. Some other decent bench players probably will take less to come here.
The Suns best draft hit in 10 years was at number 13. Draft picks are so hit an miss.
Really felt the danger of DA and CP3 tonight!
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Post#660 » by MrMiyagi » Fri May 12, 2023 4:59 am

bullsaficianado wrote:You guys were not going to get KD without giving up significant pieces. I loved watching Mikal play when I watch Suns games and it's tough he's gone but you just got Kevin freaking Durant and kept Ayton. Good trade for both teams and Suns likely still working on a small deal to round out this roster. They also will be key players in the buyout market. KD is a perfect fit with this team.
Fit in right away with how we lost in the playoffs last season!
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