Should James Harden have more all nba selections than Stephen Curry?

[SpreeS]

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Howard and him were decent. Howard wasn't the same player he'd been early in his career after that back injury, ask any laker fan.
Paul and him were a top 10 team of the last 20 years, Paul got hurt and they lost. It was magical when they were both healthy!
Westbrook? come on man....
Harden was MVP level and was insane until he himself got hurt.
Embiid and Harden we'll see how it goes.

I am talking about tensions. All these combinations ended not very well. Now imagine Green and Harden on one team.

[DonaldSanders]

You don’t know what you are talking about

Games like today are why Harden isn't highly thought of compared to Steph. Closeout at home and Harden goes 4/16 for 13 points with the MVP on his team.

[dhsilv2]

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Howard and him were decent. Howard wasn't the same player he'd been early in his career after that back injury, ask any laker fan.
Paul and him were a top 10 team of the last 20 years, Paul got hurt and they lost. It was magical when they were both healthy!
Westbrook? come on man....
Harden was MVP level and was insane until he himself got hurt.
Embiid and Harden we'll see how it goes.

I am talking about tensions. All these combinations ended not very well. Now imagine Green and Harden on one team.

Interesting, I never had a good feel for any of that to be honest. I feel like Harden and Green would get along just fine honestly.

[SpreeS]

Howard and him were decent. Howard wasn't the same player he'd been early in his career after that back injury, ask any laker fan.
Paul and him were a top 10 team of the last 20 years, Paul got hurt and they lost. It was magical when they were both healthy!
Westbrook? come on man....
Harden was MVP level and was insane until he himself got hurt.
Embiid and Harden we'll see how it goes.

I am talking about tensions. All these combinations ended not very well. Now imagine Green and Harden on one team.

Interesting, I never had a good feel for any of that to be honest. I feel like Harden and Green would get along just fine honestly.

Really? Green was barking on Durant and Russell and Harden has plenty of reasons to be barked.

[dhsilv2]

I am talking about tensions. All these combinations ended not very well. Now imagine Green and Harden on one team.

Interesting, I never had a good feel for any of that to be honest. I feel like Harden and Green would get along just fine honestly.

Really? Green was barking on Durant and Russell and Harden has plenty of reasons to be barked.

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

[SpreeS]

Closeout games

Harden 27g 38min .410/.316/.869 5.9r 7.0a 1.9s 1.0b 3.9t 22.3p +3.9
Curry 34g 38min .457/.420/.875 5.5r 6.9a 1.4s 0.5b 3.2t 28.4p +3.9

Elimination games

Harden 22g 39min .426/.329/.837 5.3r 5.9a 2.3s 0.7b 4.5t 23.4p -1.5
Curry 13g 41min .446/.370/.889 5.8r 7.2a 1.5s 0.6b 3.0t 29.2p +7.7

[michaelm]

Interesting, I never had a good feel for any of that to be honest. I feel like Harden and Green would get along just fine honestly.

Really? Green was barking on Durant and Russell and Harden has plenty of reasons to be barked.

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

Hard to really know, but I think Green and Harden might have been a good combination, complementary in the way Curry and Green have been, a PG who is an elite scorer, no need for a reserve PG, Green a great defensive player and defensive general who can both provide extra defense to cover Harden and might get more effective defensive input from Harden who is not a bad man defender anyway.

[ken6199]

Really? Green was barking on Durant and Russell and Harden has plenty of reasons to be barked.

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

Hard to really know, but I think Green and Harden might have been a good combination, complementary in the way Curry and Green have been, a PG who is an elite scorer, no need for a reserve PG, Green a great defensive player and defensive general who can both provide extra defense to cover Harden and might get more effective defensive input from Harden who is not a bad man defender anyway.

Harden once had Beverly, Ariza, Dwight around him. I don't think Green's biggest value would be defense if you pair him with Harden. If anything, having Green initiate some of the plays from 20ft might not only take some plays off Harden (something he never had outside of CP3), but also force him to move more off ball instead of having to initiate the offense from top of the key every single time. Dude just got gassed come every playoffs. He is not LeBron.

It all started with Harden & Lin in year 1 and very soon Harden completely took over, rightfully so. I always wonder what if he had a more assertive PG, someone like Conley during that part of his Houston career. He might have turned into a less ISO, more versatile "off ball" version. You never know how players would develop in different setups.

[SpreeS]

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

Hard to really know, but I think Green and Harden might have been a good combination, complementary in the way Curry and Green have been, a PG who is an elite scorer, no need for a reserve PG, Green a great defensive player and defensive general who can both provide extra defense to cover Harden and might get more effective defensive input from Harden who is not a bad man defender anyway.

Harden once had Beverly, Ariza, Dwight around him. I don't think Green's biggest value would be defense if you pair him with Harden. If anything, having Green initiate some of the plays from 20ft might not only take some plays off Harden (something he never had outside of CP3), but also force him to move more off ball instead of having to initiate the offense from top of the key every single time. Dude just got gassed come every playoffs. He is not LeBron.

It all started with Harden & Lin in year 1 and very soon Harden completely took over, rightfully so. I always wonder what if he had a more assertive PG, someone like Conley during that part of his Houston career. He might have turned into a less ISO, more versatile "off ball" version. You never know how players would develop in different setups.

Harden had Paul and Westbrook. The game was iso me iso you. Paul was angry on Harden, b/c he didnt move the ball.

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[Marrrcuss]

Green would kill Harden. Kerr motion offence and Harden’s ball hogging like two different planets from different galaxies.

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Its funny how you golden state dudes do. He always had ONE other guy. You all's run started in 2015 when you brought in like 5 guys to go along with Steph, Klay, Draymond. Most of hardens teams have sucked but he still got them into the playoffs.
I'm not even a big fan of his but acting like 2 man teams SHOULD win it, is just dishonest.
Add to it, the worst officiated big game i have seen since 1980 was that game 7. Nothing else even comes to mind.

[dhsilv2]

Really? Green was barking on Durant and Russell and Harden has plenty of reasons to be barked.

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

Hard to really know, but I think Green and Harden might have been a good combination, complementary in the way Curry and Green have been, a PG who is an elite scorer, no need for a reserve PG, Green a great defensive player and defensive general who can both provide extra defense to cover Harden and might get more effective defensive input from Harden who is not a bad man defender anyway.

The more elite passing on a team the more additive value you get. Obviously if Green could consistently hit a 3 at even a PJ Tucker level would warp Green into discussion of a top 100 all time player instantly if not top 50...but here we are. I'd love to see Green with Harden. Sadly at 34 Harden isn't the Harden he used to be and Green isn't his peak either so we'll never know.

[dhsilv2]

I don't feel like Harden's issues have been with guys yelling at him. If anything it was the opposite.

Hard to really know, but I think Green and Harden might have been a good combination, complementary in the way Curry and Green have been, a PG who is an elite scorer, no need for a reserve PG, Green a great defensive player and defensive general who can both provide extra defense to cover Harden and might get more effective defensive input from Harden who is not a bad man defender anyway.

Harden once had Beverly, Ariza, Dwight around him. I don't think Green's biggest value would be defense if you pair him with Harden. If anything, having Green initiate some of the plays from 20ft might not only take some plays off Harden (something he never had outside of CP3), but also force him to move more off ball instead of having to initiate the offense from top of the key every single time. Dude just got gassed come every playoffs. He is not LeBron.

It all started with Harden & Lin in year 1 and very soon Harden completely took over, rightfully so. I always wonder what if he had a more assertive PG, someone like Conley during that part of his Houston career. He might have turned into a less ISO, more versatile "off ball" version. You never know how players would develop in different setups.

This can't be stressed enough. Harden was simply asked to carry way too much of a load over his peak years. His asma was a hendernce as well.

[dhsilv2]

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Its funny how you golden state dudes do. He always had ONE other guy. You all's run started in 2015 when you brought in like 5 guys to go along with Steph, Klay, Draymond. Most of hardens teams have sucked but he still got them into the playoffs.
I'm not even a big fan of his but acting like 2 man teams SHOULD win it, is just dishonest.
Add to it, the worst officiated big game i have seen since 1980 was that game 7. Nothing else even comes to mind.

Why did you quote me on this?

I was rooting for the Rockets over the warriors...

[rtiff68]

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Its funny how you golden state dudes do. He always had ONE other guy. You all's run started in 2015 when you brought in like 5 guys to go along with Steph, Klay, Draymond. Most of hardens teams have sucked but he still got them into the playoffs.
I'm not even a big fan of his but acting like 2 man teams SHOULD win it, is just dishonest.
Add to it, the worst officiated big game i have seen since 1980 was that game 7. Nothing else even comes to mind.

Why did you quote me on this?

I was rooting for the Rockets over the warriors...

He quoted you because in this thread you wrote that Curry is better than Harden. Because you wrote that, that means you are a Curry/GS fan and everything you say or do is wrong.

That’s how his mind works, and he clearly believes that’s how everyone else’s mind works too.

Guess what? I’m a life-long, die-hard GSW fan and former employee…and I like and respect LeBron, and have him 2nd all time with a case for 1st

<ducks as Marccccus’ head explodes>

[BrianFitz]

You don’t know what you are talking about

Games like today are why Harden isn't highly thought of compared to Steph. Closeout at home and Harden goes 4/16 for 13 points with the MVP on his team.

NBA4Lyfe picked the wrong hero to obsess over. He won't be crawling out from under his rock until next year.

[Marrrcuss]

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Its funny how you golden state dudes do. He always had ONE other guy. You all's run started in 2015 when you brought in like 5 guys to go along with Steph, Klay, Draymond. Most of hardens teams have sucked but he still got them into the playoffs.
I'm not even a big fan of his but acting like 2 man teams SHOULD win it, is just dishonest.
Add to it, the worst officiated big game i have seen since 1980 was that game 7. Nothing else even comes to mind.

Why did you quote me on this?

I was rooting for the Rockets over the warriors...

It was about Sprees post, not yours

[michaelm]

This whole topic is terrible and Curry is clearly better than Harden. That said, Harden isn't a ball hog. He plays within the system his coaches want him to play in. He's ball dominate for sure, but what else would you do with a guy who's not an elite cutter? Coaches use them very well and he's rather adaptable and works with different types of players. The reality is those Rocket teams weren't very talented outside of the year that CP3 was there and health.

Really? How ended all these combinations and projects? I talk about tensions not results.

Harden n’ Howard
Harden n’ Paul
Harden n’ Westbrook
Harden n’ Durant/Irving
Harden n’ Embiid (watch after game 7 with BOS)

Its funny how you golden state dudes do. He always had ONE other guy. You all's run started in 2015 when you brought in like 5 guys to go along with Steph, Klay, Draymond. Most of hardens teams have sucked but he still got them into the playoffs.
I'm not even a big fan of his but acting like 2 man teams SHOULD win it, is just dishonest.
Add to it, the worst officiated big game i have seen since 1980 was that game 7. Nothing else even comes to mind.

Not nearly as predictable as you on any thread that concerns GSW in general or Steph Curry in particular.

They built a team around Steph Curry, the players you mention either developed next to him, or chose to play with him as Iguodala did.

Harden is imo a great PG as I have frequently said, and as I have also frequently said if OKC hadn't been too cheap to keep a young Harden next to a young KD subsequent NBA history may well have been different, with both Curry and Lebron having less rings for those who like to count them.

[Pennebaker]

Steph kind of wasted the first 4 years of his career being injury prone and new and then he was injured in another season. But he still has more than Harden. You make a good point. There seems to be some anti-Harden bias amongst voters. Probably due to all the flopping.

[dhsilv2]

Steph kind of wasted the first 4 years of his career being injury prone and new and then he was injured in another season. But he still has more than Harden. You make a good point. There seems to be some anti-Harden bias amongst voters. Probably due to all the flopping.

Year 1 80 games
Year 2 74
Year 4 78

He missed major games in year 3...

And in year 4 he finished 5th in VORP, 7th WS, 9th RPM WINS

He was a top 10 player in year 4 despite not getting recognized for it.

[NBA4Lyfe]

You don’t know what you are talking about

Games like today are why Harden isn't highly thought of compared to Steph. Closeout at home and Harden goes 4/16 for 13 points with the MVP on his team.

NBA4Lyfe picked the wrong hero to obsess over. He won't be crawling out from under his rock until next year.

watch the sixers eliminate the celtics in game 7