2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[BobbieL]

Charlotte just inked up Richards and have that tuff young albatross Williams who started the last 15 or so games, yanking down double digit RBs and a block or two with regularity.

They have C covered nicely at a third of the cost



Keep moving folks, nothing to see here

I've been saying the exact same thing for weeks and yet there's constantly posters talking about moving him to Charlotte. Same thing with Detroit, they have like 3 centers including two of which are highly drafted rookies. Neither team is gonna trade for DA.

Don’t rain on my parade - trying to find a team for DA

[bwgood77]

Charlotte just inked up Richards and have that tuff young albatross Williams who started the last 15 or so games, yanking down double digit RBs and a block or two with regularity.

They have C covered nicely at a third of the cost



Keep moving folks, nothing to see here

I've been saying the exact same thing for weeks and yet there's constantly posters talking about moving him to Charlotte. Same thing with Detroit, they have like 3 centers including two of which are highly drafted rookies. Neither team is gonna trade for DA.

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

[Slim Charless]

Charlotte just inked up Richards and have that tuff young albatross Williams who started the last 15 or so games, yanking down double digit RBs and a block or two with regularity.

They have C covered nicely at a third of the cost



Keep moving folks, nothing to see here

I've been saying the exact same thing for weeks and yet there's constantly posters talking about moving him to Charlotte. Same thing with Detroit, they have like 3 centers including two of which are highly drafted rookies. Neither team is gonna trade for DA.

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

No, they're not. Okongwu-who they like more wants to play and they play him at PF. Capela had a mediocre year and they'd move him for Ayton. Collins is an obvious move as well. Ayton+Shamet for those 2 has made sense for well over a year. For both teams.

I'll be proven right here just like I was about Monty.

[GreatSunnyNorth]

So as painful as that was...

Give the core 4 a real chance: CP3 and DA are worth more to us than any other team (and this series should confirm we still need that additional offensive engine). Retain Payne as a needed backup plan, but otherwise be open to wholesale changes on the bench. See who’s willing to take the minimum to join Book and KD, but recognize the need to include players who aren’t dependent on them to create looks. And give the group a full offseason to gel before deciding it’s incapable of coming together.

[sunskerr]

I've been saying the exact same thing for weeks and yet there's constantly posters talking about moving him to Charlotte. Same thing with Detroit, they have like 3 centers including two of which are highly drafted rookies. Neither team is gonna trade for DA.

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

No, they're not. Okongwu-who they like more wants to play and they play him at PF. Capela had a mediocre year and they'd move him for Ayton. Collins is an obvious move as well. Ayton+Shamet for those 2 has made sense for well over a year. For both teams.

I'll be proven right here just like I was about Monty.

Capela and Collins are a terrible fit. There's a reason they've been trying to move Collins for a while. Also Collin's finger is pretty busted and he cant shoot anymore.

I'd probably do it just on account of there not being any better options and it gives us two NBA players for the price of one.

Okongwu is a much better fit at C for us though since we can just sign Landale for cheap to provide the extra size he can't, especially if say, like, Bogdanovic came over in addition to Okongwu. But that's probably way too favorable for us.

[Slim Charless]

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

No, they're not. Okongwu-who they like more wants to play and they play him at PF. Capela had a mediocre year and they'd move him for Ayton. Collins is an obvious move as well. Ayton+Shamet for those 2 has made sense for well over a year. For both teams.

I'll be proven right here just like I was about Monty.

Capela and Collins are a terrible fit. There's a reason they've been trying to move Collins for a while. Also Collin's finger is pretty busted and he cant shoot anymore.

I'd probably do it just on account of there not being any better options and it gives us two NBA players for the price of one.

Okongwu is a much better fit at C for us though since we can just sign Landale for cheap to provide the extra size he can't, especially if say, like, Bogdanovic came over in addition to Okongwu. But that's probably way too favorable for us.

Disagree.

Collins needs a change in scenery and didn't all of a sudden forget how to play basketball. His injury isn't some kind of career killer either. He's over being in trade rumors and wants a new team. Capela will do what he does wherever he goes.

[sunsfan1o1]

So we need a coach and a number 1 option

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Who wants to come bleach my eyes for me?

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Puke.gif forever again. Just like the good old Shannon Brown days.

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I'm sharing this specifically to point out what many of us here have been saying about Monty Williams in terms of job requirements or general expectations of a head coach that he should be doing every game but still hasn't been even after 4 yrs with our franchise! These types of weaknesses become more glaring under an off-season microscope. Basic coaching fundamentals he should have improved on long ago! But is currently admitting to not doing even now!

[sasquatchBob]

Checklist for this offseason
- Trade Ayton. Let it be for scrubs but at least scrubs that play hard.
- Trade CP3. Thank you for what you've done but it's time. Same scenario every post season. You can't rely on him.
- Change Monty for Nurse or Budenholzer.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I don't have any obvious answers.

We have 2 elite players we just need 1 more and the right 3-4 support players.

Ready to move on from Ayton and Paul, doing the same thing over again is insanity.

Maybe for Irving? We already offered Paul for Irving in a package mid-season.

[Saberestar]

So as painful as that was...

Give the core 4 a real chance: CP3 and DA are worth more to us than any other team (and this series should confirm we still need that additional offensive engine). Retain Payne as a needed backup plan, but otherwise be open to wholesale changes on the bench. See who’s willing to take the minimum to join Book and KD, but recognize the need to include players who aren’t dependent on them to create looks. And give the group a full offseason to gel before deciding it’s incapable of coming together.

Yeah, I agree.

We weren’t healthy and you always need a bit of luck to go far in the playoffs. And it's not an excuse... we missed CP3 for three games, Ayton last game (3rd and 4th best players out in elemination game) and Book was hurt .

I am gonna be fine with whatever decision the Suns make because I can understand the reason behind every possibility, but staying pat and try to nail some FA acquisitions probably it's the way to go into next season.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Ayton, Paul for Irving.

Fans won't like it but at least Irving and Durant have rings while all our guys fold when it matters.

Irving, Booker, Durant.

6 x role players through trade/fa

1 point guard
2 defensive centers
3 defensive wings

Monty and Jones will stay with Ishbia's support so if we can't change them we have to rejig the roster.

We look like the Nets but that's not bad for the least worst option.

[Saberestar]

It's gonna be interesting to know if we definitely want to trade Ayton this summer.

His value is a bit of a mystery. I think he could be really valuable on some teams and they can see some untapped potential in him.

[AtheJ415]

If we are moving on from Monty, I would keep Ayton to see what he is like under a new coach. People say Ayton has no fire. Does Monty? He's not exactly the type to bring that out of ANYBODY. This man is like 1-8 on his career in elimination games with an average loss of 18.8 points. EIGHTEEN POINT EIGHT!

If we are moving Ayton, we need to be getting something good, like Kyrie.