Early discussion on the 2023 offseason

[GTR11]

Lamelo is an option if you also take Hayward - say Din and Cam J (SnT @18m) plus a couple picks.
Hayward is an expiring 30m.

We will be sending 3 maybe 4 picks in that case. Hayward is expiring and from the area, I doubt they'll be moving him. Rozier most likely be the one to be sent along. They'd shed 16+ mil of the books, maybe 42 if Nets decide to pick team option.

I'd love Hayward on this team and willing to give up extra pick for him. Being able to resign him for much cheaper contract will boost our depth.

In 2021-22 season LaMelo was boarder line all star at age 20. He will be 22 this upcoming season and reports say he will be healthy. Me personally, I think he pulled Kyrie on MJ because Charlotte was clearly tanking past season. LaMelo is a BOX-OFFICE who will fill seats with his flashy game.

[Eatgreenz]

Lamelo is an option if you also take Hayward - say Din and Cam J (SnT @18m) plus a couple picks.
Hayward is an expiring 30m.

This is a low key move. I definitely would do a trade for him before a market opens up for lamelo. His perfect for this team.

[Marvin Martian]

Lamelo is trash and would make this team worse. He is nowhere near as good as his brother Lonzo before his injuries. Lamelo is a terrible defender that cannot attack the rim and draw contract. Basically Dlo without a midrange game.

PG is not a need for this team. History has shown that you cannot win with a PG as your best player. Steph Curry was an anomaly because he is the GOAT shooter.

[TheNetsFan]

Looking at the high level numbers, there's a narrow path we could potentially walk where we trade for Lillard (sending out Ben), retain Johnson & Claxton and still have about $25 mil in cap space in 2024 FA. Assumptions: DFS traded for expiring deal, Claxton cap hold of about $17mil, Johnson Year 2 salary of about $24mil, Ben, CT & 1 of the 2023 picks send out as part of a Lillard trade. Trading Sharpe, the other '23 pick or getting the Year 1 salary of Claxton or Year 2 salary of Johnson can get you closer to the $30mil in space ballpark. It's short of a max slot, so unlikely to get you to Siakam/Sabonis territory. Unfortunately, outside of the top few, there's a big area of no-man's land of players bound to get overpaid & be immediate bad contracts.

[TheNetsFan]

So there's chatter out there that Bobby Portis tweeted out what sounds like a goodbye to Milwaukee & unfollowed Giannis. You have to assume Milwaukee is likely to try & trim some costs. I'd love to take him off Milwaukee's hands into the KD TPE. He'd bring some much needed toughness, rebounding & shooting from the 5.

[GTR11]

So there's chatter out there that Bobby Portis tweeted out what sounds like a goodbye to Milwaukee & unfollowed Giannis. You have to assume Milwaukee is likely to try & trim some costs. I'd love to take him off Milwaukee's hands into the KD TPE. He'd bring some much needed toughness, rebounding & shooting from the 5.

Bucks in very tough situation and will lose depth just so they can retain Khris. Who knows if it's a right decision looking at how he played past 2 seasons. He clearly on a decline and their fans say that much too. They be going hard at Hammond especially now after 1st round exit.

We in a very funky situation as well:
1. It's clear as day we need back up C who can stretch the floor. Nic being healthy entire season is unseen surprise we rode entire season. It's won't be smart to rely on a same luck again. Bobby at 10 per will be great addition.
2. CamJ extension. This is where our entire offseason circling around now. Do we resign and keep or do we S&T him. Houston, SacTown, Magic and few others been interested and got cap space to out bid us. Anything over 20m puts us above apron and will kill any dreams about trades or FA.
3. It's clear as day that Din and Joe will have to go this off-season or during it. 40m in cap space in expiring contracts right here. I be spitting blood and calling for Marks head if he sits on his azz doing nothing with them.
4. Draft is where we have to get into top 10 for Hendricks. He very well can be Nic's replacement if Nic will fetch some crazy contract.

[TheNetsFan]

Howard Beck says he's heard a potential S&T pursuit of FVV if Toronto shakes up their core post-Nurse.

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[Rastas]

Suns free agent Landale could be a nice target for Nets C depth, 6'11'' 245lb backup C who outplayed Ayton in Denver series.
Should be cheap - around 6 to 8m per should be enough.

[NetsWorld]

Howard Beck says he's heard a potential S&T pursuit of FVV if Toronto shakes up their core post-Nurse.

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Nets should look into at least getting Nurse as an Assistant. I am not against Van Fleet but they need another impact player to go along with him. Nets also need a good big.

[Netaman]

Howard Beck says he's heard a potential S&T pursuit of FVV if Toronto shakes up their core post-Nurse.

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thank you for posting. FVV would make a lot of sense. Not sure if the S&T would be for Dinwiddie or Harris (or who knows maybe they'd take Simmons) but any of those would have some logic depending on what else they are looking to do. FVV is a big game player who would add a Brunson element end of game that's an upgrade on Dinwiddie. With the 2 of them it would be a sort of Dallas-esque backcourt with a few options and a good 6th man (Dinwiddie).

I think FVV would get Nets close to the top 4 in East depending on what else they are able to get accomplished in the front court.

Going all in on Lillard would be bigger risk/reward, but I think FVV is probably the wiser move for a longer window and to keep more picks for a big move post-FVV.

[NetsWorld]

Howard Beck says he's heard a potential S&T pursuit of FVV if Toronto shakes up their core post-Nurse.

Watch on YouTube

thank you for posting. FVV would make a lot of sense. Not sure if the S&T would be for Dinwiddie or Harris (or who knows maybe they'd take Simmons) but any of those would have some logic depending on what else they are looking to do. FVV is a big game player who would add a Brunson element end of game that's an upgrade on Dinwiddie. With the 2 of them it would be a sort of Dallas-esque backcourt with a few options and a good 6th man (Dinwiddie).

I think FVV would get Nets close to the top 4 in East depending on what else they are able to get accomplished in the front court.

Going all in on Lillard would be bigger risk/reward, but I think FVV is probably the wiser move for a longer window and to keep more picks for a big move post-FVV.

Agreed; Beck doesn't say things out of his tail either, so something is going on. We know what guards the Nets are targeting now. FVV/Lillard are star caliber players. So this also leads to what their second, and probably, bigger goal is, to nab a superstar to pair with the likes of FVV/Lillard and Bridges. Call me crazy but targeting one of those two guards also means they are looking at......GIANNIS. Windy did say keep an eye on Milwaukee this offseason as he won't be extending tere.

[Netaman]

Agreed; Beck doesn't say things out of his tail either, so something is going on. We know what guards the Nets are targeting now. FVV/Lillard are star caliber players. So this also leads to what their second, and probably, bigger goal is, to nab a superstar to pair with the likes of FVV/Lillard and Bridges. Call me crazy but targeting one of those two guards also means they are looking at......GIANNIS. Windy did say keep an eye on Milwaukee this offseason as he won't be extending tere.

im not going to say it's impossible but i personally consider any mvp level player via an extreme long shot. giannis, luka, tatum, obviously jokic, embiid. choosing a team with cap room is just too difficult a needle to thread of being competitive enough that they want to go there but also having that much cap room. kd/kyrie and the big 3 in miami were once a decade outcomes. shaq in LAL was the og once in a decade outcome.

lillard is about as high end as the trade market is going to get, age aside, which is why i think they will consider that (beck also said portland is calling around gauging market).

i think the nets most reasonable path to a top of conference roster is:

Bridges
+ defensive culture with good vibes (the kenny nets, but with defense)
+ high level pg (could be FVV or Lillard)
+ 3rd star that's probably a wing and probably not elite MVP level (more on the level of Siakam/Butler/Mitchell)

if im marks im trying to get the PG this year since there are some decent options out there (Trae worth considering too) and then patiently waiting on the 3rd star (maybe a trade for siakam or someone on that level in-season). or maybe it's the ben comeback tour. or maybe there's a wing in the draft they love and move up for. who knows. if miami sucks next year maybe they'd sell butler at the deadline?

this is essentially the boston model with Bridges already being 1 of the all star wings. i think FVV or Lillard are varying levels of 'better than Smart', so then it's just a matter of having a long enough window to find the right 2nd all star level wing to fit in and building up the defensive culture.

and again, it's not impossible the 3rd guy is simmons. im not betting on it but considering he has 0 value if they can get a PG and a good rotational big guy to play off Claxton like Horford, id have no issue patiently waiting on the wing and in the interim giving simmons an audition to try to raise his value so he can be a + part of a trade package trading up for a 3rd star.

[Tha King]

In regards to Lillard, look at that contract. It very easily could end up being one of the worst in the league in a year to two. Brooklyn is not a Dame away from contending and would still need to add a better player or a comparable one.

So the only type of trade that makes sense for Dame if it has to happen would include the picks this year and the Sixers pick. Something like Din (who could go to a different team for a pick) and the expiring contracts of Harris and Mills. The Blazers would get ~4 first round picks and expirings while that leaves the team with room to further improve the roster. If a team like the Heat wants to trade picks and Bam or Herro, the Blazers could go that route, no interest in making a similar type of offer.

[Netaman]

In regards to Lillard, look at that contract. It very easily could end up being one of the worst in the league in a year to two. Brooklyn is not a Dame away from contending and would still need to add a better player or a comparable one.

this is true - it was also true of the jimmy butler max contract in miami. we were a heavy rumor for jimmy pre-kd and we were all worried about how that one would age. no risk it no biscuit. not saying they should go all in on lillard but they should explore the price tag. FVV is probably the more ideal move if it's doable. Should be cheaper all the way around and he's more age appropriate for Bridges even if he has less individual upside. Perfect culture fit.

So the only type of trade that makes sense for Dame if it has to happen would include the picks this year and the Sixers pick. Something like Din (who could go to a different team for a pick) and the expiring contracts of Harris and Mills. The Blazers would get ~4 first round picks and expirings while that leaves the team with room to further improve the roster. If a team like the Heat wants to trade picks and Bam or Herro, the Blazers could go that route, no interest in making a similar type of offer.

i think there are a few combos that could make sense. Din + Harris + picks could make sense. Ben + picks could make sense. Cam Thomas could be a piece that they are interested in beyond picks.

The number of the picks/total deal value is the question from the nets side, and from the portland side how do they prefer to salary match? harris/din are low risk salary match but does either have the potential of being an actual piece for portland? simmons is the riskier contract but more upside.

end of the day just like kd/phoenix i think this one comes down to what dame wants. if he really wants brooklyn there's a deal that makes sense but the nets are unlikely to go all-in on him the way phoenix did since they have a lot less urgency and pivot to FVV. or who knows maybe they like Trae?

[Tha King]

Agreed; Beck doesn't say things out of his tail either, so something is going on. We know what guards the Nets are targeting now. FVV/Lillard are star caliber players. So this also leads to what their second, and probably, bigger goal is, to nab a superstar to pair with the likes of FVV/Lillard and Bridges. Call me crazy but targeting one of those two guards also means they are looking at......GIANNIS. Windy did say keep an eye on Milwaukee this offseason as he won't be extending tere.

im not going to say it's impossible but i personally consider any mvp level player via an extreme long shot. giannis, luka, tatum, obviously jokic, embiid. choosing a team with cap room is just too difficult a needle to thread of being competitive enough that they want to go there but also having that much cap room. kd/kyrie and the big 3 in miami were once a decade outcomes. shaq in LAL was the og once in a decade outcome.

lillard is about as high end as the trade market is going to get, age aside, which is why i think they will consider that (beck also said portland is calling around gauging market).

i think the nets most reasonable path to a top of conference roster is:

Bridges
+ defensive culture with good vibes (the kenny nets, but with defense)
+ high level pg (could be FVV or Lillard)
+ 3rd star that's probably a wing and probably not elite MVP level (more on the level of Siakam/Butler/Mitchell)

if im marks im trying to get the PG this year since there are some decent options out there (Trae worth considering too) and then patiently waiting on the 3rd star (maybe a trade for siakam or someone on that level in-season). or maybe it's the ben comeback tour. or maybe there's a wing in the draft they love and move up for. who knows. if miami sucks next year maybe they'd sell butler at the deadline?

this is essentially the boston model with Bridges already being 1 of the all star wings. i think FVV or Lillard are varying levels of 'better than Smart', so then it's just a matter of having a long enough window to find the right 2nd all star level wing to fit in and building up the defensive culture.

and again, it's not impossible the 3rd guy is simmons. im not betting on it but considering he has 0 value if they can get a PG and a good rotational big guy to play off Claxton like Horford, id have no issue patiently waiting on the wing and in the interim giving simmons an audition to try to raise his value so he can be a + part of a trade package trading up for a 3rd star.

thoughts on Derrick White or Brogdon? Regardless of how their season ends up, the Celtics could look to readjust their roster to add wing depth and use some of their guard depth to do so, especially if Grant Williams leaves. The Nets would be the inverse with wing depth and need a guard (for DFS or O'Neale).

[TheNetsFan]

Agreed; Beck doesn't say things out of his tail either, so something is going on. We know what guards the Nets are targeting now. FVV/Lillard are star caliber players. So this also leads to what their second, and probably, bigger goal is, to nab a superstar to pair with the likes of FVV/Lillard and Bridges. Call me crazy but targeting one of those two guards also means they are looking at......GIANNIS. Windy did say keep an eye on Milwaukee this offseason as he won't be extending tere.

im not going to say it's impossible but i personally consider any mvp level player via an extreme long shot. giannis, luka, tatum, obviously jokic, embiid. choosing a team with cap room is just too difficult a needle to thread of being competitive enough that they want to go there but also having that much cap room. kd/kyrie and the big 3 in miami were once a decade outcomes. shaq in LAL was the og once in a decade outcome.

lillard is about as high end as the trade market is going to get, age aside, which is why i think they will consider that (beck also said portland is calling around gauging market).

i think the nets most reasonable path to a top of conference roster is:

Bridges
+ defensive culture with good vibes (the kenny nets, but with defense)
+ high level pg (could be FVV or Lillard)
+ 3rd star that's probably a wing and probably not elite MVP level (more on the level of Siakam/Butler/Mitchell)

if im marks im trying to get the PG this year since there are some decent options out there (Trae worth considering too) and then patiently waiting on the 3rd star (maybe a trade for siakam or someone on that level in-season). or maybe it's the ben comeback tour. or maybe there's a wing in the draft they love and move up for. who knows. if miami sucks next year maybe they'd sell butler at the deadline?

this is essentially the boston model with Bridges already being 1 of the all star wings. i think FVV or Lillard are varying levels of 'better than Smart', so then it's just a matter of having a long enough window to find the right 2nd all star level wing to fit in and building up the defensive culture.

and again, it's not impossible the 3rd guy is simmons. im not betting on it but considering he has 0 value if they can get a PG and a good rotational big guy to play off Claxton like Horford, id have no issue patiently waiting on the wing and in the interim giving simmons an audition to try to raise his value so he can be a + part of a trade package trading up for a 3rd star.

If Toronto goes full rebuild, you wonder if the Nets can grab both FVV and Siakam at a not obscene price given FVV is a FA & Siakam has only one year left on his deal. I can't imagine the Raptors have a ton of trade leverage with either player. While not the ideal team construction, the team becomes that much deeper with higher end players. The Nets will still need that primary scoring threat though.

[Tha King]

In regards to Lillard, look at that contract. It very easily could end up being one of the worst in the league in a year to two. Brooklyn is not a Dame away from contending and would still need to add a better player or a comparable one.

this is true - it was also true of the jimmy butler max contract in miami. we were a heavy rumor for jimmy pre-kd and we were all worried about how that one would age. no risk it no biscuit. not saying they should go all in on lillard but they should explore the price tag. FVV is probably the more ideal move if it's doable. Should be cheaper all the way around and he's more age appropriate for Bridges even if he has less individual upside. Perfect culture fit.

So the only type of trade that makes sense for Dame if it has to happen would include the picks this year and the Sixers pick. Something like Din (who could go to a different team for a pick) and the expiring contracts of Harris and Mills. The Blazers would get ~4 first round picks and expirings while that leaves the team with room to further improve the roster. If a team like the Heat wants to trade picks and Bam or Herro, the Blazers could go that route, no interest in making a similar type of offer.

i think there are a few combos that could make sense. Din + Harris + picks could make sense. Ben + picks could make sense. Cam Thomas could be a piece that they are interested in beyond picks.

The number of the picks/total deal value is the question from the nets side, and from the portland side how do they prefer to salary match? harris/din are low risk salary match but does either have the potential of being an actual piece for portland? simmons is the riskier contract but more upside.

end of the day just like kd/phoenix i think this one comes down to what dame wants. if he really wants brooklyn there's a deal that makes sense but the nets are unlikely to go all-in on him the way phoenix did since they have a lot less urgency and pivot to FVV. or who knows maybe they like Trae?

Very much in agreement. A Lillard trade could make sense but I'd say the picks I outlined would be about where I'd go from Nets perspective (picks this year plus Sixers). Nothing more. Still leaves you with ways to improve and retool if Lillard does not work out.

With Harden we saw how sharp a decline can come for stars at that point in their careers - he was MVP level year one with the Nets and then barely an all star the following season. Kind of starting to see it with KD now. Lillard was never on their level and his decline could be even more drastic as an undersized guard that's barely played the last two seasons.

[Keith Van Horn]

Howard Beck says he's heard a potential S&T pursuit of FVV if Toronto shakes up their core post-Nurse.

Watch on YouTube

thank you for posting. FVV would make a lot of sense. Not sure if the S&T would be for Dinwiddie or Harris (or who knows maybe they'd take Simmons) but any of those would have some logic depending on what else they are looking to do. FVV is a big game player who would add a Brunson element end of game that's an upgrade on Dinwiddie. With the 2 of them it would be a sort of Dallas-esque backcourt with a few options and a good 6th man (Dinwiddie).

I think FVV would get Nets close to the top 4 in East depending on what else they are able to get accomplished in the front court.

Going all in on Lillard would be bigger risk/reward, but I think FVV is probably the wiser move for a longer window and to keep more picks for a big move post-FVV.

This is where I'm at.

Maybe we shoot for the stars and all with Dame, and I'd love him here if we can get him, but getting FVV would be amazing... and then sneaking Nurse onto the bench as a top assistant would be huge.

[Keith Van Horn]

I think a lillard trade makes the most sense if you're unloading Simmons... but we know how unlikely that is.

[Papi_swav]

Give me Nurse everyday of the week. Also I'll take OG and/or Siakam. Idk what's with ya'll obsession with FVV, he's ok but he's not vastly better than Din tbh and he's bound to get overpaid