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Re: Jokic Making a lot of folks look dumb 

Post#281 » by nikster » Fri May 12, 2023 12:51 pm

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QingJames wrote:Joe L choked, disappeared and moped off his home floor without a basket in the last 6 minutes. Jokic efficiently demolished the Suns on their home court.

Every additional playoff game these two guys play makes it more and more clear how fraudulent Joe L’s MVP is this year, and how big the gap is between him and Jokic.


if Embiid doesn't win game 7 - "Joe L" just might stick haha
personally i think the 76ers have a good shot, Boston hasn't been impressive at home and imo the 76ers are a better team
at least from a talent perspective

1 game, anything can happen
and they get to play a pretty weak conf finalist (Miami or NY aren't at the usual conf finals level)
so it's far from over for them, if they win game 7 I think they have a decent shot at a ring

it'll be the most important game of his career, let's see what he's made of

If he drops this game 7 Embiids gonna be out of the best player in the league convo until he has some playoff success. Not that i think it's exactly fair but is the reality
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Post#282 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 12, 2023 12:53 pm

This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.
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Post#283 » by stoo » Fri May 12, 2023 12:54 pm

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QingJames wrote:Joe L choked, disappeared and moped off his home floor without a basket in the last 6 minutes. Jokic efficiently demolished the Suns on their home court.

Every additional playoff game these two guys play makes it more and more clear how fraudulent Joe L’s MVP is this year, and how big the gap is between him and Jokic.


if Embiid doesn't win game 7 - "Joe L" just might stick haha
personally i think the 76ers have a good shot, Boston hasn't been impressive at home and imo the 76ers are a better team
at least from a talent perspective

1 game, anything can happen
and they get to play a pretty weak conf finalist (Miami or NY aren't at the usual conf finals level)
so it's far from over for them, if they win game 7 I think they have a decent shot at a ring

it'll be the most important game of his career, let's see what he's made of


harden and embiid are not beating boston in an away game 7. it's gonna be 20+ for boston
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Re: Jokic Making a lot of folks look dumb 

Post#284 » by Saints14 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:04 pm

Well we all knew he could beat lower level playoff teams, once he plays a team with championship level offensive players like the Suns he’ll be exposed
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Post#285 » by Infinite Llamas » Fri May 12, 2023 1:18 pm

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Nope. Damage is done. All you cared about was denying him the MVP, and that happened. In ugly fashion.

No forgiveness.


he doesn't even think that i'll bet, he's just getting scared that the Nuggets might pull this off, 2 series to go it's def on the table now

so he doesn't wanna look like a complete moron, now he can say - "ah, I told u they were legit!" lmfao



Nothing can stop him from looking like a moron at this point.
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Post#286 » by hardenASG13 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:23 pm

Infinite Llamas wrote:
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Nope. Damage is done. All you cared about was denying him the MVP, and that happened. In ugly fashion.

No forgiveness.


he doesn't even think that i'll bet, he's just getting scared that the Nuggets might pull this off, 2 series to go it's def on the table now

so he doesn't wanna look like a complete moron, now he can say - "ah, I told u they were legit!" lmfao



Nothing can stop him from looking like a moron at this point.


He might be a worse "analyst" than he was a player, which is saying ALOT.

Jokic has been extremely impressive, like, he doesnt miss, but those comparing Embiid vs. Boston to Jokic vs. Phoenix are not making a fair comparison. Boston is loaded with quality players for 48 minutes with depth everywhere. Phoenix played 2 on 5, and Durant doesn't appear to be a top tier superstar anymore.
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Post#287 » by dhsilv2 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:23 pm

nikster wrote:
Exp0sed wrote:
QingJames wrote:Joe L choked, disappeared and moped off his home floor without a basket in the last 6 minutes. Jokic efficiently demolished the Suns on their home court.

Every additional playoff game these two guys play makes it more and more clear how fraudulent Joe L’s MVP is this year, and how big the gap is between him and Jokic.


if Embiid doesn't win game 7 - "Joe L" just might stick haha
personally i think the 76ers have a good shot, Boston hasn't been impressive at home and imo the 76ers are a better team
at least from a talent perspective

1 game, anything can happen
and they get to play a pretty weak conf finalist (Miami or NY aren't at the usual conf finals level)
so it's far from over for them, if they win game 7 I think they have a decent shot at a ring

it'll be the most important game of his career, let's see what he's made of

If he drops this game 7 Embiids gonna be out of the best player in the league convo until he has some playoff success. Not that i think it's exactly fair but is the reality


Outside of realgm where it's impossible to root for embiid because of his "fans", I've been a massive fan of Hinkie and Embiid as an extension of the process. Add in, I just love Joel's personality and game. That said, looking at the talent Embiid has and the reality that Harden has flat out won two games in this series, it's a pretty horrible look that Embiid hasn't been able to take over this series. As you noted Boston hasn't even played that well which just makes the fact this is going to game 7 all the worse. I really hope the 76ers pull this win out as I don't want more trolling on Embiid or Harden...but good god, this is not a good look.
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Post#288 » by dhsilv2 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:24 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.
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Post#289 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 12, 2023 1:38 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.
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Post#290 » by Exp0sed » Fri May 12, 2023 1:38 pm

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Exp0sed wrote:
QingJames wrote:Joe L choked, disappeared and moped off his home floor without a basket in the last 6 minutes. Jokic efficiently demolished the Suns on their home court.

Every additional playoff game these two guys play makes it more and more clear how fraudulent Joe L’s MVP is this year, and how big the gap is between him and Jokic.


if Embiid doesn't win game 7 - "Joe L" just might stick haha
personally i think the 76ers have a good shot, Boston hasn't been impressive at home and imo the 76ers are a better team
at least from a talent perspective

1 game, anything can happen
and they get to play a pretty weak conf finalist (Miami or NY aren't at the usual conf finals level)
so it's far from over for them, if they win game 7 I think they have a decent shot at a ring

it'll be the most important game of his career, let's see what he's made of

If he drops this game 7 Embiids gonna be out of the best player in the league convo until he has some playoff success. Not that i think it's exactly fair but is the reality


he never should have been in that conversation in the first place
he hasn't been impressive in the postseason, you can't use a different excuse every season

Brett Brown not good enough, Butler and Simmons not good enough, Harden and Maxey not good enough etc etc.

we've been hearing for 3 seasons from the Embiid fanboys how the two aren't even in the same league because of "defense".
despite his great rim protection, Joel Embiid has not been a very impactful defender in the playoffs and his offense has fallen off a cliff, more often than not

hes a great shotblocker with impeccable timing and a real knack to protecting the rim, but at the same time he doesn't actually possess a high level of defensive awareness

not to mention, its kind of hard to defend when u hit the deck every other play and barely bother to sprint back

he can block and deter plenty of shots in the paint but he doesn't get back fast enough on D and just like any other C - can be exploited on the perimeter
the days of a Mutumbo parking under the basket and changing every play are long gone

when he isn't providing highlight blocks, he can often be seen blown by his man or overhelping and losing sight\awareness of an opponent open for a lob or operating from the dunkers spot)
also - he's not a difference maker in terms of rebounding

on offense, he needs to be set up by others, has a pretty bad shot selection that doesn't get called out often enough because he's a great shooter but his decision making and shot selection are sorely lacking - he makes alot of mistakes on that end.

he also lacks stamina, motor and ofc - durability but that's beside the point

he's not a good enough passer or playmaker to consistently punish doubles, especially if they come at the right time and from the right angle, playing at home in a close-out game 6, getting tons of touches and having 1 Assist to 4 turnovers kind of tells u all u need to know, no?

he doesn't have the stamina (or mentality) to go and get 50 every game and tbh unless he's really deep in the post or has a clear lane to the cup - he doesn't really take advantage of mismatches vs smaller guys. for him to really be the best player in the game he has to use his arsenal more often and keep putting pressure on defenders and on the refs and wear the opponent out

instead, he's the one that gets worn out and fades in the 2nd half - that's basically the anthithesis to someone whose in the convo for "best player in the game" and is the reason he wasn't actually in that convo :P

also taking loads of jumpshots (mostly from his favorite elbow spots or 3's) over ppl - that's not a winning strategy
he's not Dirk :)

Embiid is at his best when he is physical, putting the ball on the floor and putting a ton of pressure on the refs to make calls
his first step along with his size is simply amazing

the blueprint to beating Embiid has been established - if u can keep him out of the charity stripe, meaning keep him at 6-8 FTA and not 15, or 20 - he's not gonna score consistently or efficiently enough

teams are content having him run up and down (and get a ton of easy points when he doesn't) and take those contested mid-range elbow jumpers all day. sure, he'll make 50% of those but that's not good enough and it's certainly quite far from "best player in the league" territory
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Post#291 » by aliasxn » Fri May 12, 2023 1:39 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.


Yeah Joker has been at this level for a while, it's the rest of the team that are finally pulling their weight.
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Post#292 » by hardenASG13 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:40 pm

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dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 this year, most bball ref advanced stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.


Yeah he's looking more aggressive scoring the ball. Granted he was being single covered by stiffs vs phoenix and Denver had a significantly better roster. Phoenix stunk, their roster last night was embarrassing.
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Post#293 » by Exp0sed » Fri May 12, 2023 1:45 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.


yeah, he's a bit better and more honed in
he has def been more vocal and pushing the pace\ball and being more aggressive in those nice sets the Nuggets run to get him postups after some screening action

he has also shot the 3 more consistently which opens up the lane a bit more for himself and his teammaes
but for the most part, this is exactly what he has been doing

problem is, when u play with Monte Morris and will Barton vs the soon to be champion Warriors - there's only so much you can do..

hard to rack up assists when ur teammates brick everything and hard to score when the league's best defense can send 3 guys to crowd u because what's Morris or Barton gonna do about it?

the Nuggets replaced some really horrible players with good players that actually fit
having so many good cutters is what enables Jokic to dominate as much as he has this postseason, it's not about the shooters it's the cuts that make it work especially when those same guys (Brown, KCP, Braun, MPJ, Murray etc.) are all pretty damn good finishers in transition and are all committed to running the floor

tbh, it's kinda easy to be commited to running and cutting when u have the Joker setting u up
that's a role player's wet dream right there
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Post#294 » by lobosloboslobos » Fri May 12, 2023 1:46 pm

he is by a long mile the best player in the game. to consistently lead both teams in points, rebounds and assists is a ridiculous achievement. and on insane efficiency too. just amazing.
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Post#295 » by Sharkboy242 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:47 pm

Sofia wrote:
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Sofia wrote:Who said he isn’t very very good?

Or is this just a random strawman you are building?


Mark Jackson left him off his MVP ballot. He was All-NBA 2nd team after having a season that was statistically on rivaled by Michael Jordan and LeBron James, the two greatest players ever. Some of us knew the truth, and we stuck to it. The folks who put him 2nd team, didn't vote him MVP tried to get cute. People actually tried to argue that Jokic had an insurmountable weakness in the playoffs, even though he'd been to the conference finals, and overachieved in the playoffs for multiple years when a pair of other MVP contenders *never* did that, and are either already home or preparing to be home. lol I'm petty af, but this is so funny.


So… that’s 1 person who is a well known potato that wrongfully excluded Jokic from the 5 best players in the world.

Who else? OP said “a lot of people”

Nick Wright called him the worst MVP of the last 30 years on national television.
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Post#296 » by dhsilv2 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:50 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.


Yeah he had Murray and Porter to pass to. he isn't playing better. he has better teammates. That's how basketball works...
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Post#297 » by Jfh20 » Fri May 12, 2023 1:51 pm

Pelly24 wrote:30/14/9 on 61 TS% against good defenders most of the time. I don't wanna compare him to any other big but I'll just say ... he's comfortably got the spot as best player in the world, w. being the best center being just a small part of that.

Jimmy Butler also once again forcing people to put respect on his name, once again proving he's a top 7 player, being one of the few ball players besides prime LeBron with essentially no meaningful weaknesses.

Lol dude says put respect on butlers name but then says he’s top 7…. lul… jimmy is the best player in the world.. he’s no top 7
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Post#298 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 12, 2023 1:54 pm

dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.


Yeah he had Murray and Porter to pass to. he isn't playing better. he has better teammates. That's how basketball works...

Oh, dear. Thank you very much.
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Post#299 » by nikster » Fri May 12, 2023 1:54 pm

FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:This is the best Jokic has ever been by a long shot. Old opinions don’t really matter.


He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.

Couldn't that all be just a result of better teammates? They can finish a higher percentage of his assists. They are threats so Suns actually tried to single coverage Jokic which wouldn't have happened the last 2 years. Better spacing etc..
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Post#300 » by FluLikeSymptoms » Fri May 12, 2023 1:55 pm

nikster wrote:
FluLikeSymptoms wrote:
dhsilv2 wrote:
He's not doing anything he didn't do last year or all season this year different. He was amazing against the warriors last year. They were just that much better of a team.

Nah he’s more dominant, generating even more offence, the guys’s assist % is 44.6 these playoffs , most bball ref advanced playoff stats are way up, turnovers are down, shooting the 3 better, and he came out last night and put Phoenix away in the first q like the killer everyone wanted him to be. He’s clearly better.

Couldn't that all be just a result of better teammates? They can finish a higher percentage of his assists. They are threats so Suns actually tried to single coverage Jokic which wouldn't have happened the last 2 years. Better spacing etc..

Sure having better teammates has helped. But Jokic is improving.

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