2022-23 Season Discussion and Review - the Blockbuster trade and playoff downfall

[lonea]

If we are moving on from Monty, I would keep Ayton to see what he is like under a new coach. People say Ayton has no fire. Does Monty? He's not exactly the type to bring that out of ANYBODY. This man is like 1-8 on his career in elimination games with an average loss of 18.8 points. EIGHTEEN POINT EIGHT!

If we are moving Ayton, we need to be getting something good, like Kyrie.

Haha the only time monty have any fire is when he was chewing ayton out on gm 7 last season

this season ayton decided to take an early vacation so monty doesn't get the chance to

[Jdiddy701]

The only team that may be interested in Chris Paul are the Clippers. I think we could use some of their role players.

The Hawks might be interested in Deandre Ayton. Next year’s team will be interesting. A lot of new faces. After seeing how much money Monty is owed through his contract, he probably has at least one more year with us.


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[bwgood77]

I've been saying the exact same thing for weeks and yet there's constantly posters talking about moving him to Charlotte. Same thing with Detroit, they have like 3 centers including two of which are highly drafted rookies. Neither team is gonna trade for DA.

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

No, they're not. Okongwu-who they like more wants to play and they play him at PF. Capela had a mediocre year and they'd move him for Ayton. Collins is an obvious move as well. Ayton+Shamet for those 2 has made sense for well over a year. For both teams.

I'll be proven right here just like I was about Monty.

Yeah, I know you are convinced this will happen. We will see.

I didn't realize Monty was let go already. Hadn't signed on yet.

[BobbieL]

Flex with his first off-season tweet about the Suns. So it does seem like a team can trade for Paul before the Option is exercised and waive him

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DeRozan for Paul and Payne only works if Paynes option is picked up but that doesn't save the Bulls much money; and no to Ball

Beal makes no sense as the option would have to be picked up and Beal makes a lot! Not with Durant and Booker either


Nets: Simmons for Paul - not sure the Suns can have three max contracts

Hawks for John Collins is a pure salary cap dump by the Hawks

sticking with the Hornets for Scary Terry

[sunsfan1o1]

Is Monty fired yet? What’s the hold up? Do it now before he Jedi mind tricks you with his manipulative whoa is me speech

[Slim Charless]

Let’s be real, nobody is trading anything good for DA on a max contract. Nobody other than IND even wanted to pay him last year.

This brings me to plan max cap space in 2024/25.

To PHX: Davis Bertans, Reggie Bullock, future 1st round pick
To DAL: Deandre Ayton

(It works salary wise)

For now we add shooting. Bertans 2nd year is only $5MM guaranteed. Bullock is expiring. Getting a 1st back is big too.

Load up on vet mins and whatever else you have to do this year.

After the season you can cut CP3 and Shamet, both deals are fully non-guaranteed.

Go into next year with only KD/Book and $5 mil Bertans contract.

24/25 free agents: Jaylen Brown, Pascal Siakam, Kristaps Porzingis, Domantas Sabonis, Dejounte Murray, Khris Middleton, Nic Claxton, Kyle Kuzma

KD would have 2 years left on his deal at that point. Get one of those guys above and then try to build around your 3 stars.

Thoughts?

Maybe I'm being optimistic but this feels like bottom of the barrel value. The Mavs are gonna pick like 11-14 (unless they catch a top 10 which in that case they lose the pick) this year so this is a back end lottery pick and basically two unplayable assets.

It's vice versa. The Mavs keep the pick if it's 1-10 and give it up otherwise.

[Saberestar]

It's gonna be interesting to know if we definitely want to trade Ayton this summer.

His value is a bit of a mystery. I think he could be really valuable on some teams and they can see some untapped potential in him.

Ayton
Paul
Payne
Shamet
Ish


Tradingall of them

The tricky part is what value do Paul and Payne have in the new Cba.

Ayton - there will be a market for him I think. Untapped potential

Do you want KD, Book and 13 new players?

[MrMiyagi]

NBA2K has rotted people's brains

[Slim Charless]

Flex with his first off-season tweet about the Suns. So it does seem like a team can trade for Paul before the Option is exercised and waive him

Read on Twitter

DeRozan for Paul and Payne only works if Paynes option is picked up but that doesn't save the Bulls much money; and no to Ball

Beal makes no sense as the option would have to be picked up and Beal makes a lot! Not with Durant and Booker either


Nets: Simmons for Paul - not sure the Suns can have three max contracts

Hawks for John Collins is a pure salary cap dump by the Hawks

sticking with the Hornets for Scary Terry

There's no way in h3ll that KD would ever agree to play with Ben Simmons again. Ever.

If we're looking at a salary dump team then maybe to Miami for Duncan or Lowry could work.....but that trade makes me sad and a little nauseous.

[Slim Charless]

Flex with his first off-season tweet about the Suns. So it does seem like a team can trade for Paul before the Option is exercised and waive him

Read on Twitter

DeRozan for Paul and Payne only works if Paynes option is picked up but that doesn't save the Bulls much money; and no to Ball

Beal makes no sense as the option would have to be picked up and Beal makes a lot! Not with Durant and Booker either


Nets: Simmons for Paul - not sure the Suns can have three max contracts

Hawks for John Collins is a pure salary cap dump by the Hawks

sticking with the Hornets for Scary Terry

There's no way in h3ll that KD would ever agree to play with Ben Simmons again. Ever.

If we're looking at a salary dump team then maybe to Miami for Duncan or Lowry could work.....but that trade makes me sad and a little nauseous.

[BobbieL]

It's gonna be interesting to know if we definitely want to trade Ayton this summer.

His value is a bit of a mystery. I think he could be really valuable on some teams and they can see some untapped potential in him.

Ayton
Paul
Payne
Shamet
Ish


Tradingall of them

The tricky part is what value do Paul and Payne have in the new Cba.

Ayton - there will be a market for him I think. Untapped potential

Do you want KD, Book and 13 new players?

I think the roster will have 8-10 new players
and the only way to get better is trading the players with the contracts... So thats 5-6 players right there
a couple exceptions
so it might be closer to 10 new players

Edit: Flex mentioned Toronto, Dallas and Portland for Ayton. Forget about Kyrie

Portland: Grant and Nurkic for Ayton and Shamet

Toronto: FVV for Ayton

[spanishninja]

Tim McMahon on CP3

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Just wish I knew how it worked trading his contract before it guarantees

under the current CBA, only the guaranteed portion of a contract counts for salary exchange purposes. So if we trade him before the full guarantee, he is only worth $15mil

[BobbieL]

Flex with his first off-season tweet about the Suns. So it does seem like a team can trade for Paul before the Option is exercised and waive him

Read on Twitter

DeRozan for Paul and Payne only works if Paynes option is picked up but that doesn't save the Bulls much money; and no to Ball

Beal makes no sense as the option would have to be picked up and Beal makes a lot! Not with Durant and Booker either


Nets: Simmons for Paul - not sure the Suns can have three max contracts

Hawks for John Collins is a pure salary cap dump by the Hawks

sticking with the Hornets for Scary Terry

There's no way in h3ll that KD would ever agree to play with Ben Simmons again. Ever.

If we're looking at a salary dump team then maybe to Miami for Duncan or Lowry could work.....but that trade makes me sad and a little nauseous.

Oh right, I forgot about the Heat but Robinson would be terrible. And yes Paul for Duncan would be a terrible trade

[Saberestar]

It begins.

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An interesting option for Ayton could be Gordon Hayward + FRP. Not sure about protections on the pick.

Hayward can play next to Book and KD or as a 6th man coming from the bench.

[Slim Charless]

Well the Hawks are more set at C than Charlotte for sure. Capela had a great year.

No, they're not. Okongwu-who they like more wants to play and they play him at PF. Capela had a mediocre year and they'd move him for Ayton. Collins is an obvious move as well. Ayton+Shamet for those 2 has made sense for well over a year. For both teams.

I'll be proven right here just like I was about Monty.

Yeah, I know you are convinced this will happen. We will see.

I didn't realize Monty was let go already. Hadn't signed on yet.

Well, Ish did just say that the Suns will be getting a Gleague team.....

I'm completely serious here, but why not have Monty coach them? It allows Ish to get his money's worth out of Monty and he'll probably do a better job there. If he refuses-which he probably would, they can negotiate a settlement-which would save money.

I think your guy Monty could lead the G-Suns to a G-Chip.

[BobbieL]

It begins.

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An interesting option for Ayton could be Gordon Hayward + FRP. Not sure about protections on the pick.

Hayward can play next to Book and KD or as a 6th man coming from the bench.

I thought about Gordo but I htink for Ayton - they can hopefully do a bit better

Granted, that was my dream trade at the deadline before Durant. Rozier and Hayward to the Suns; Brody and Payne to the Hornets and the Lakers get Paul and Crowder

[KLEON]

Just trade Ayton for multiple players and picks then sign Thomas Bryant as our starting center

[sunsfan1o1]

If we are moving on from Monty, I would keep Ayton to see what he is like under a new coach. People say Ayton has no fire. Does Monty? He's not exactly the type to bring that out of ANYBODY. This man is like 1-8 on his career in elimination games with an average loss of 18.8 points. EIGHTEEN POINT EIGHT!

If we are moving Ayton, we need to be getting something good, like Kyrie.

Haha the only time monty have any fire is when he was chewing ayton out on gm 7 last season

this season ayton decided to take an early vacation so monty doesn't get the chance to

Ayton is smart. He wasn’t about to let Monty blame him again for his trash coaching.

[sunsfan1o1]

It would be a shame to not give this team another chance with a better coach.
I would try to get a better younger pg and bring CP off the bench.

To me it seems like Monty alienates role players. He doesn’t trust them because he doesn’t know how to coach.
He obviously doesn’t know how to coach DA and get the best out of him.
He uses DA like a scrub.

Meaning, he doesn’t know how to draw up plays for the others.
I don’t think he even knows how to draw up plays at all.
When your head coach doesn’t believe in your big man or bench Booker and KD won’t believe in them.

Monty took all the confidence out of this team. Saying things like I’ll go with Ross and Warren and live with whatever warts that comes with defensively.
How about just saying I’ll go with Ross and Warren because those guys are buckets.
Playing bench guys 3 minutes here and then pulling them because they miss one shot.
Going with Wainwright the first game instead of Warren or Ross
Playing Ross basically as 6th man to end the season and then all of a sudden treating him like a scrub.
Not trusting Warren from day 1.
Playing Shamet over everyone no matter how garbage he plays.
Not playing Cam Payne in game 1 for no reason.
The only ones who enjoy playing for Monty are Booker and Shamet.
I don’t even think CP3 cares about him cuz CP3 has to pick up his deficiencies in coaching.
I had high hopes for Monty when he first got here. But you can only fake it for so long before it catches up to you

[KLEON]

Wiggins has fractured ribs and I'll bet he plays tonight