Who talks themselves into Ayton?

[facothomas22]

Maybe the Spurs(if they don't get the 1st pick in the draft), Pacers, Magic, Bulls, Knicks, Mavericks.

[OmniStrife]

Whoever gets him needs to make sure he leaves his PS5 behind in PHX...

[Mr B]

On the Mavs board I’ve suggested:

Kyrie to Phoenix
Ayton to Indiana
Myles Turner to Dallas

Obviously more would have to be included to make the salaries match but those being the three main trade.

[TheAlchemist]

I would’ve loved him on Toronto, but we foolishly traded picks for Poetl. Maybe swing a Gary Trent + Boucher + Thad Young for Ayton at the trade deadline.

[3toheadmelo]

mitchell robinson and picks for ayton. we'll give him the touches he wants

AND picks? What would Ayton actually bring to that Knicks team? I'm also not sure how he would respond to a tough love coach like Thibs, in addition to getting way more attention in a market like NY, especially considering how the team doesn't really have any household names. I wouldn't be surprised, if he goes the Simmons route and just decides never to play.

he'd actually give us a big body to challenge bam. mitch has been getting destroyed by bam all series long. thibs loves to run an iso heavy offense so i think ayton would be a 20+ PPG player with us.

[Karmaloop]

He'll be swapped for Kyrie. CP3 to the Lakers

unless CP3 is signing for the minimum, he won't be a Laker.

[enigmatics]

D.Ayton has the sexiest face in the NBA and is the hottest thing since Ariel Winter so I understand the allure and need to offer him money, but I don't see anything special about his basketballing.

Ayton at the age of 24 looks older than Greg Oden.

[lamscott]

Why is he so bad? Just all mental? Motor?

[sikma42]

Bruised ribs hurt a lot but I don’t know about missing an elimination game at home, especially after last year. Have to give it a shot I think.

After how the Suns treated him, he should have sat. Maybe they can all move on now.


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[oldncreaky]

I'm a Detroit fan and I'd give up our trash for him at that price but I wouldn't give up good assets.

Wiseman + Bagley + Hayes for Ayton is about all I'd pay to add him with that contract.

This is the type of move the Suns need to make. Not these exact players because they aren't very good but 3 for 1 to bolster their bench depth while losing out on talent.

On D, Wiseman and Bagley are both completely oblivious to what is going on around them. Among the worst I've seen in 5 decades of watching. Wiseman is still young enough to have hope; Bagley less so. I think both of them would be behind Landale and even Biyoumba on Phoenix's depth chart.

Ayton for Wiseman + Bagley + Hayes is trading Detroit's bad contracts for a single bad contract of a player (Ayton) who is at least positive on court, so of course Detroit would do this trade in a heartbeat

[Jadoogar]

I'm a Detroit fan and I'd give up our trash for him at that price but I wouldn't give up good assets.

Wiseman + Bagley + Hayes for Ayton is about all I'd pay to add him with that contract.

This is the type of move the Suns need to make. Not these exact players because they aren't very good but 3 for 1 to bolster their bench depth while losing out on talent.

On D, Wiseman and Bagley are both completely oblivious to what is going on around them. Among the worst I've seen in 5 decades of watching. Wiseman is still young enough to have hope; Bagley less so. I think both of them would be behind Landale and even Biyoumba on Phoenix's depth chart.

Ayton for Wiseman + Bagley + Hayes is trading Detroit's bad contracts for a single bad contract of a player (Ayton) who is at least positive on court, so of course Detroit would do this trade in a heartbeat

I think swapping out one of the 2 terrible bigs for Bogdonovic makes it more palatable for the Suns. Take a chance on some youth in Hayes and one of Wiseman/Bagley and get a veteran shooter who has shown he can play in a playoff game.

[Dennis Reynolds]

mitchell robinson and picks for ayton. we'll give him the touches he wants

AND picks? What would Ayton actually bring to that Knicks team? I'm also not sure how he would respond to a tough love coach like Thibs, in addition to getting way more attention in a market like NY, especially considering how the team doesn't really have any household names. I wouldn't be surprised, if he goes the Simmons route and just decides never to play.

he'd actually give us a big body to challenge bam. mitch has been getting destroyed by bam all series long. thibs loves to run an iso heavy offense so i think ayton would be a 20+ PPG player with us.

Edited my previous post cause I saw this one...

When it comes to defense maybe you should check out Jokic's counting and efficiency stats he posted in the 1st round and compare them to the ones he posted against the Suns.

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The only thing Ayton might challenge is Dwight Howard in Taiwan once his contract is up.

[grumpysaddle]

Bruised ribs hurt a lot but I don’t know about missing an elimination game at home, especially after last year. Have to give it a shot I think.

After how the Suns treated him, he should have sat. Maybe they can all move on now.


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Dude didn't prove he was worth a full max contract. Outside of one playoff run, his entire career has been predicated on laziness/low bball iq/heartlessness. Suns had to match that contract or they would have lost him for nothing. It happens all the time. It's just unfortunate it has to happen with a #1 pick in a stacked draft.

Ayton was given a quarter of the season this year as "the man" due to injuries, and all he did was turn the ball over and score inefficiently. The Suns lost A LOT during that stretch. He's the most frustrating player in the league outside of Ben Simmons at this point. He has all the athleticism and size you can ever hope for, but you can't teach effort and heart. He made it known who he was when he said he's playing for a second contract before he ever played an NBA game.

[cupcakesnake]

I can see Memphis, Miami, New Orleans, Boston, and Chicago having significant interest.

- Memphis wouldn't need to rely on him as a defensive anchor. Memphis also encourages guys to play aggressive on offense so I don't see him having limited touches. Memphis' frontcourt is pretty decimated right now and they'll need to replace Adams at some point. Ayton/JJJ would be interesting and versatile without getting in each others way.

- Miami loves to go hunting for talent and talk themselves into bolstering lackluster players with that Heat culture. Miami has played tiny around Bam for years now, but they've always been willing to play Bam with another big when they have one.

- New Orleans is a weird one to predict because we don't know how much they plan to rely on Zion. Valanciunas is in his 30s now and at some point they'll need to replace him. He's already a low minute starter because they can't always play him defensively.

- Boston has an aging Al Horford and an injury prone Rob Williams as their only real bigs. Boston can't afford to take a step back in the era of the Jays so I see them being aggressive when a player like this is available.

- Chicago is lost in the sauce and still seem desperate to make the playoffs. Billy Donovan is pretty good at building strong defenses out of meh defensive personnel so I don't think they'd be shy about Ayton's defense.

[Buckets22]

It would start at Duren.
Duren/Bogs/Bagley

You are wasting your breath. This same guy has been told what you are saying numerous times. He still wants Ayton and his 102 million over 3 years instead of settling for Duren at 15 million for the same duration.

Yeah, I know.
I mean I can get behind someone liking Duren. Personally, I love what he is and could become, and I would be quite content if I were Detroit. BUT, if you are wanting Ayton you don't think much, or enough, of Duren to then want to trade for a superior player that isn't that much older than him.

Please no, watching Drummond and Monroe feels like yesterday.

Memphis might have him, or Warriors? They might turn him around like Wiggins.

[bwgood77]

Why is he so bad? Just all mental? Motor?

He isn't that bad. Maybe not worth contract, but he just doesn't fit in with a team that wants to get KD/Book 40-45 shots. He is reduced to setting screens on offense. He does lack some motor at times, usually when he isn't getting many touches and is basically taken out of the game on offense. In this Nuggets series he had to guard Jokic 1 on 1, when Jokic was touching the ball every possession and then Ayton would get like 6 shots when he was shooting like 70% (mostly midrange, not just rim finishes). Then he runs around all game setting screens (though last night being out Book missed that big time, along with Ayton's gravity).

He had some struggles this year, but still averaged 18 and 10, which only 4 other Cs did (Jokic, Embiid, Sabonis, AD). Before KD started playing, these were his games for the previous month or so. Almost hard to believe, hearing the talk about him today, that the same player was putting up these #s on these FG%s, winning Western Conference player of the week, etc.



I think he will do a lot better somewhere else with a bigger role, or just a good young team with chemistry and a lot of solid players. A team like Brooklyn, for example, though Claxton has played well and I know they didn't want him, but he had great chemistry with Mikal and Cam.

[oldncreaky]

This is the type of move the Suns need to make. Not these exact players because they aren't very good but 3 for 1 to bolster their bench depth while losing out on talent.

On D, Wiseman and Bagley are both completely oblivious to what is going on around them. Among the worst I've seen in 5 decades of watching. Wiseman is still young enough to have hope; Bagley less so. I think both of them would be behind Landale and even Biyoumba on Phoenix's depth chart.

Ayton for Wiseman + Bagley + Hayes is trading Detroit's bad contracts for a single bad contract of a player (Ayton) who is at least positive on court, so of course Detroit would do this trade in a heartbeat

I think swapping out one of the 2 terrible bigs for Bogdonovic makes it more palatable for the Suns. Take a chance on some youth in Hayes and one of Wiseman/Bagley and get a veteran shooter who has shown he can play in a playoff game.

Probably fairer in value, although making the salary numbers work for Phoenix will be tricky.

Another reason why Detroit isn't a great destination for Ayton is Duren, a 19 year-old (!) who can rebound at an NBA level already and shows promise on both ends. I'd rather Detroit spend it's cap room looking to find solutions on the wing where we are one of the worst teams in the league rather than spending a bunch more money on the C position.

[JB2]

I haven't seen Atlanta mentioned which IMO is a pretty natural trading partner for PHX. Collins and Capela for Ayton and Shamet?

[Calvin Klein]

Lovely. Tons of people still don't understand!

[sikma42]

Bruised ribs hurt a lot but I don’t know about missing an elimination game at home, especially after last year. Have to give it a shot I think.

After how the Suns treated him, he should have sat. Maybe they can all move on now.


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Dude didn't prove he was worth a full max contract. Outside of one playoff run, his entire career has been predicated on laziness/low bball iq/heartlessness. Suns had to match that contract or they would have lost him for nothing. It happens all the time. It's just unfortunate it has to happen with a #1 pick in a stacked draft.

Ayton was given a quarter of the season this year as "the man" due to injuries, and all he did was turn the ball over and score inefficiently. The Suns lost A LOT during that stretch. He's the most frustrating player in the league outside of Ben Simmons at this point. He has all the athleticism and size you can ever hope for, but you can't teach effort and heart. He made it known who he was when he said he's playing for a second contract before he ever played an NBA game.

Then this is what they get. They didn’t want to offer him the contract that almost every other team would…so no way he should have played.

Ayton played very well on their trip to the Finals. Guy put in admirable defensive performances and his skill set opens a lot up. He is a good player that’s stuck with an organization that doesn’t want him.


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